Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return (UPD May 13: Tocchet to coach Flyers)

[Breakers]

Michkov and Tock is like robbing two magnets together

Tochett understands the defensive side of the game
but man does he hate players that cheat for offense, and michkov is that

 

[Hodgy]

There is nothing to gain to talk crap about Miller now, that’s just classless.
Talking crap about Petey is different is because he’s our player and they feel like that is somehow a good way to motivate him (disclaimer: I don’t agree).

This is a false dichotomy. Their choices weren’t just talk crap about Miller or praise him. They could have just done neither and spoke in a neutral tone. Instead, they’ve gone out of their way to praise him multiple times.

I also think the “talking crap” about Pettersson is overblown. They’ve said he (and others) weren’t prepared and didn’t use the off-season like they should have. That can be true along with those players not being the root cause of the issue.

Ya, I’m not trying to overemphasize that point. It’s the contrast between how they have spoken about and Miller that is so stark.

And while I don’t really want to talk shit about Miller either (what’s done is done), it is INCREDIBLY rich for Miller to have that attitude given his history of needing to learn the same things and his history of sometimes floating…some of which was in a Canuck uniform witnessed by the same room. He’s not some long term recognized leader. His leadership epiphany, so to speak, was very recent. Miller is not the same as, say, Horvat.

Ya, I’m not defending Miller. Only referencing what management has says about both, and how that doesn’t square up with Miller being the bigger problem or however you’d like to put it.

 

[F A N]

I also think the “talking crap” about Pettersson is overblown. They’ve said he (and others) weren’t prepared and didn’t use the off-season like they should have. That can be true along with those players not being the root cause of the issue.

I don't think it's overblown though. Petey is the highest paid player on the team. We gave him the richest contract in team history. It's not like he has sucked for years since signing his agreement. Do you know of any similarly situated player who didn't get the benefit of the doubt?

I mean every player gets banged up over the course of the season including the playoffs. At the end of last season Petey said that he's been playing through a knee injury since January. Tocchet essentially says he's not injured and needed to tough it out. At the start of this year, Petey said that he had to train around his knee tendonitis. But he somehow wasn't "prepared and didn't use the off-season like [he] should have?" I mentioned this in another post, aside from Petey, who are the other (younger) players who "weren't prepared and didn't use the off-season like they should have?"

If you're the head coach and you think Petey is faking an injury will you bench him or play him more than JT Miller? If you're management and you think Petey's knee issues really aren't that serious and just using it as excuse for poor work ethic are you going to try and dump his contract when you can or trade JT Miller?

 

[VanJack]

It's now being reported in the East that Tocchet and the Flyers have come to terms on a contract.....just waiting for the right time to announce it.

Despite all the 'toing and froing' down the stretch in Vancouver, I think Tocchet and his agent knew this was coming before the season even wound down.

As soon as Tocchet said that he didn't want to negotiate a new contract in Vancouver while the season was going on--we should have figured it out.

You look back at least season, and it's almost hard to wrap your head around so many things going wrong in one year. Makes you optimistic that things can't possibly be as bad next season.

 

[I am toxic]

It's now being reported in the East that Tocchet and the Flyers have come to terms on a contract.....just waiting for the right time to announce it.

//

ftr, still sitting

in my chair

 

[vancityluongo]

there it is

 

[Josepho]

It's kinda weird how many coaches these two teams have shared in the past 50 years

 

[Canucker]

This was a right that management generously gave to him. The Canucks held a club option and chose not to exercise it presumably in good faith as part of the process in negotiating an extension.


I think @racerjoe has responded to this pretty well. It was a situation that involved Tocchet stepping in and he did. But he also did nothing. Petey sucked towards the end of last season and said he was hurt and Tocchet didn't think much of it. If he was hurt Tocchet should have rested him any chance he gets. If Tocchet thinks Petey is just being a baby he should have held him accountable and not play him like he was still the team's best forward. The same with this season. If Petey came to camp out of shape and he thinks it's because of work ethic reasons then again why is he playing him like he's still the team's best forward? Tocchet could have easily scratched him and gave Petey's explanation (which is Petey's knee injury prevented him from training properly and so he is a bit behind in his overall conditioning etc). I think when we talk about coaches holding players accountable it's rewarding players with ice time based on whether the player deserves it or not.

Sure, management may have done that in good faith, but it doesn't obligate Tocchet to sign...he likely saw a better fit for himself elsewhere and chose himself over the Canucks, and people can fuss over that, but I'm not sure why...most people look out for themselves when they have big decisions to make regarding their future.


But also, I'm not arguing the merits or faults of Rick Tocchet, I'm questioning the vilification of him for deciding to move on. I'm right there with his critics and I can see some of the good things he brought, but to deride him for not staying in Vancouver because it goes against some chalkboard credos just seems like sour grapes and trying to hold him to something unrealistic. Plus, its kind of odd to throw a guy under the bus for leaving, even though you'd probably prefer he left anyways. I just don't understand the expectations people have, especially when its other peoples lives and choices they make for themselves.

 

[Vector]

Tocchet to the Flyers feels kind of gross. Like, we know they tampered but it also doesn't matter. To me, all three parties look bad in different ways.

 

[beachcomber]

Smart move to distance himself from this franchise. The writing is on the wall for the future of the Canucks and he didn't want any part of it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

More jobs being available doesn't change the fact he left... he didn't embrace the hard, he ran from it. He didn't meet pressure with pressure, he met pressure release...

He is no longet employed by the team.

They had a one year option and decided not to enforce it.

This is really reaching for a character flaw or a betrayal where there is none.



To me the important aspect is something quite different;

Toc leaving, to me is the single most worrisome datapoint when it comes to Elias Petterssons character moving forward.

And the most worrisome about how the circus that these last 3 years has been has actually affected everyone behind the scenes.

 

[TruGr1t]

Tocchet to the Flyers feels kind of gross. Like, we know they tampered but it also doesn't matter. To me, all three parties look bad in different ways.

If the Canucks were worried about it they should have tried harder to sign him coming off the Jack Adams. I basically guarantee there were no 5 x $5M contracts offered at that time.

 

[MS]

We were tampered with here in a massive way. What a joke. And as someone who loved Tocchet ... f*** Rick Tocchet.

 

[racerjoe]

He is no longet employed by the team.

They had a one year option and decided not to enforce it.

This is really reaching for a character flaw or a betrayal where there is none.



To me the important aspect is something quite different;

Toc leaving, to me is the single most worrisome datapoint when it comes to Elias Petterssons character moving forward.

And the most worrisome about how the circus that these last 3 years has been has actually affected everyone behind the scenes.

I feel almost the exact opposite in terms of Petey's character.

Worries me about Hughes.

adds more worry to our management team.

For the record I don't feel betrayed and again am actually kind of happy he is gone. I just think when you build your brand or messaging as a coach on one thing, then go in the opposite direction of that... its shows true colours.

 

[Hansen]

Tampering

 

[racerjoe]

We were tampered with here in a massive way. What a joke. And as someone who loved Tocchet ... f*** Rick Tocchet.

I would say if I was management I would have optioned Tocchet and had him not coach the team... told him we can't have teams tamper with us... sorry he is the person who would suffer, but we can't let other teams do this to us.

 

[PavelBure10]

Consider me shocked. There's tampering forsure.

 

[Attack Vector]

Good luck Toch, you were a hell of a coach here and for the first time since Pat Quinn days, we saw someone take command of the room and actually install a culture.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I feel almost the exact opposite in terms of Petey's character.

Can you explain?

Worries me about Hughes.

Him leaving? Oh absolutely.

adds more worry to our management team.

Yup.

For the record I don't feel betrayed and again am actually kind of happy he is gone. I just think when you build your brand or messaging as a coach on one thing, then go in the opposite direction of that... its shows true colours.

Disagree.

 

[Hansen]

I would say if I was management I would have optioned Tocchet and had him not coach the team... told him we can't have teams tamper with us... sorry he is the person who would suffer, but we can't let other teams do this to us.

And frankly the end result is we do not have a good coach anyways.

f***ing crazy man, we had a split second of daylight at the end of the tunnel and we're back in the dark again. It never ends for Canucks fans.

#SelltheTeam

 

[Orr4Norris]

We were tampered with here in a massive way. What a joke. And as someone who loved Tocchet ... f*** Rick Tocchet.

Yeah. It’s pretty obvious this was tampering. No way he leaves the Canucks’ deal on the table without knowing he has something else guaranteed.

 

[Orr4Norris]

I would say if I was management I would have optioned Tocchet and had him not coach the team... told him we can't have teams tamper with us... sorry he is the person who would suffer, but we can't let other teams do this to us.

Knowing they were being tampered with (and I think they absolutely knew), I agree they should have exercised the option.

 

[I am toxic]

 

[racerjoe]

Can you explain?

Him leaving? Oh absolutely.

Yup.

Disagree.

I mean if Tocchet wants to talk up the character of JT Miller whats that say about his judge of character?

Confused with what parts you disagree with? With me not wanting Toc back? I have said it since April 9th.

 

[BOBBY9]

Great professional decision for Rick. Happy for him.