Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return

[calnuck]

Ok I will avoid discussing potential landing spots and players affected by the possible outcomes until I see a confirmed with link thread as well I guess.

In the meantime I found this funny and true today..

Watching this video brought up anger I haven’t felt since February or march. Absolutely absurd to hear a coach say this

 

[Jerry the great]

Knoblauch absolutely destroyed Tocchet head-to-head last season. He had a calculated backup plan for everything that happened. Tocchet just stuck to his guns despite anything changing around him.

did part of his plan involve us rolling out our 3rd string goalie, with a banged up D and our $11.6MM ghost C?

The only team that played the Oilers better than us last year was the eventual cup winner.

But whatever you have to do to convince yourself that him leaving isn't a bad thing.....

 

[sting101]

Watching this video brought up anger I haven’t felt since February or march. Absolutely absurd to hear a coach say this

Can you elaborate?

 

[Diablo2020]

Can you elaborate?

Tocchet basically said dont waste one until you have traffic in front. On one hand he's right, on the other hand it was highly telegraphed and only Huggy could make plays to get it on net with the added preasure the play being telegraphed cost us.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

did part of his plan involve us rolling out our 3rd string goalie, with a banged up D and our $11.6MM ghost C?

The only team that played the Oilers better than us last year was the eventual cup winner.

But whatever you have to do to convince yourself that him leaving isn't a bad thing.....

His defencive system has come at the expense of offense.

Until proven otherwise.

We lost a decent coach and a great interview. We did not lose some coaching savant.

 

[wonton15]

It’s obvious that that was Tocchet’s entire system. Basically the Carolina Hurricanes without the team speed, team skill, or any back up plan when countered.

 

[calnuck]

Can you elaborate?

Pretty much what @Diablo2020 said. My issue with it is that the team was last in shots. while yes, getting shots with traffic in front is a great idea, if that’s your whole offensive strategy and you are actively coaching not to do anything else that is insanely problematic. It also explains the teams absolute dogshit power play.
I stand by that this team will be improved next year with a normal coach and if management doesn’t drop the ball

 

[calnuck]

It’s obvious that that was Tocchet’s entire system. Basically the Carolina Hurricanes without the team speed, team skill, or any back up plan when countered.

I would argue they had the skill but were being coached to not use it and just defer everything to Hughes. Also explains, in part, why the defense was an utter tire fire the first half. Yes it was objectively worse skill wise, but if you know that why would you continue to employ a strategy that relies so heavily on players that can barely string a pass together?

 

[Jerry the great]

His defencive system has come at the expense of offense.

Until proven otherwise.

We lost a decent coach and a great interview. We did not lose some coaching savant.

we were a top 6 scoring team last year, top 3 in net goals. despite Pettersson ghosting the last 20 games of the year. but sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[pitseleh]

It’s obvious that that was Tocchet’s entire system. Basically the Carolina Hurricanes without the team speed, team skill, or any back up plan when countered.

Carolina is the opposite in the offensive zone though - they throw pucks on net from everywhere, the opposite of what Tocchet encourages.

Funny enough, Carolina has also moved away from being such a heavy dump and chase team. They started to move away last season and were above average this year in the rate of controlled entries based on data I saw recently.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

we were a top 6 scoring team last year, top 3 in net goals. despite Pettersson ghosting the last 20 games of the year. but sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

I dont need to tell me anything.

The fact that could not tell what happened last year that is all I need to know about you and your ability to understand the game.

 

[Jerry the great]

I dont need to tell me anything.

The fact that could not tell what happened last year that is all I need to know about you and your ability to understand the game.

please enlighten me. i could use some comic relief.

 

[sting101]

I'm upset that Tocchet couldn't make our players faster stronger smarter and more skilled

 

[I am toxic]

Watching this video brought up anger I haven’t felt since February or march. Absolutely absurd to hear a coach say this

It's not like McDavid scored last night by throwing the puck across the net and it bounced . . . wait, it's not like Vegas won with 0.4 seconds left by throwing the puck across the net and it bounced . . . wait, it's not like four of the nine goals scored in FLA's win over Toronto were off the goalie's own teamma . . . wait, nevermind - get those pucks back to the point, just like every defensive system currently employed by every team in the NHL is designed to achieve by crowding the house

 

[4th line culture]

please enlighten me. i could use some comic relief.

Unsustainable shooting percentage.

 

[Delocatedfan]

If they elect to not go with Manny I am intrigued by Mitch Love if Washington is willing to let him interview & Todd Nelson as he won b2b calder trophies in the AHL.

I have seen Marco Sturms name pop up anyone have any insight to his coaching style?

 

[Jerry the great]

Unsustainable shooting percentage.

this is such a bullshit argument. The team at 5v5 last year played with more structure and puck support than it had since some of the prime Sedin years. it was a massive contributor to share of chances (7th best) , the high danger variety in particular (4the best). which they converted at a higher rate than any other team league wide. The way they played was a massive contributor to the shooting %.

 

[4th line culture]

this is such a bullshit argument. The team at 5v5 last year played with more structure and puck support than it had since some of the prime Sedin years. it was a massive contributor to share of chances (7th best) , the high danger variety in particular (4the best). which they converted at a higher rate than any other team league wide. The way they played was a massive contributor to the shooting %.

Nah. Were they able to sustain their offense? No because it was unsustainable.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

this is such a bullshit argument. The team at 5v5 last year played with more structure and puck support than it had since some of the prime Sedin years. it was a massive contributor to share of chances (7th best) , the high danger variety in particular (4the best). which they converted at a higher rate than any other team league wide. The way they played was a massive contributor to the shooting %.

Why did Toc abandon this midway through the season? Oh well.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Why did Toc abandon this midway through the season? Oh well.

Truly a mystery for the ages.

 

[F A N]

Why did Toc abandon this midway through the season? Oh well.

Truly a mystery for the ages.

It's Petey's fault. Got a bit of inflammation in his knee and he suddenly couldn't skate and couldn't shoot.

 

[tantalum]

It’s obvious that that was Tocchet’s entire system. Basically the Carolina Hurricanes without the team speed, team skill, or any back up plan when countered.

Carolina system is all about shooting everything possible on net in the offensive zone. That is not what Tocchet was doing. The similarity was dump and chase but that isn't unique to Carolina or Vancouver. But once in the zone the two teams are almost complete opposites. Carolina has absurd shot attempts and were 2nd in the league for actual shots on goal.

It's Petey's fault. Got a bit of inflammation in his knee and he suddenly couldn't skate and couldn't shoot.

I mean I don't know the extent of his issue but have you tried skating and shooting with a patella tendonitis flare up? It's not fun. When you shift your weight (such as when shooting and skating) you get shots of pain that essentially halts you in your tracks.

 

[PavelBure10]

When the going gets tough, Tocchet gets going.

No wonder why Tocc loved JT Miller so much, their both sellouts.

 

[Oliewud]

When the going gets tough, Tocchet gets going.

No wonder why Tocc loved JT Miller so much, their both sellouts.

100%

and this is what happens when you have poor LEADERS.

These guys are not disciplined enough mentally or intelligent enough to actually lead. They just talk a tough game and act aggressively. That's an important aspect of a team but it is NOT leadership.

Oh and they destroyed our superstar 100pt player on their way out

What a bunch of frauds. Good riddance. Just need to fire jim and patrick so we can move on from this kardashian show garbage.

 

[tantalum]

What a bunch of frauds. Good riddance. Just need to fire jim and patrick so we can move on from this kardashian show garbage.

I don't care one way or the other about Rutherford.

Alvin I have little issue with. Ya the JT Miller situation was not great but it is also such a completely unique thing that I'm not sure anyone would actually handle it "well" in the eyes of fandom. The NTC is a major wrinkle when this type of stuff happens in the locker room. Make no mistake despite not bad mouthing Miller there is very much a reason why it was Miller that was moved. That is who the room wanted moved. That very much includes guys like Hughes who cannot be pointed to as not being prepared or not being competitive.

I know people are on him about not moving Boeser but if the offer out there was a second rounder or worse I understand not pulling the trigger. At that point the asset is better used to try to sneak into the playoffs. A non-first round draft pick doesn't do much moving forward.

I also think people forget he acquired an excellent top 4 D-man before the deadline along with a useful and speedy bottom 6 guy for very reasonable cost (a first round pick and two non-impact players. Hell negative impact players). Then secured that D-man for more than half a decade. They've also legitimately have a pipeline w.r.t. to the blueline which this organization hasn't seen for years. Those truly are massive developments moving forward. Not to mention a re-vamped youth system that looks very good right now.