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[banme*]

Uh oh.

 

[JA]

Uh oh.

I don't know if the kid has matured, but at the age of 14 he came across as rather arrogant. He reminds me of a grade school bully. When you take into account leadership qualities, that's not what you really want to see.

Here is a post with many relevant tweets; the less appropriate ones are linked to rather than embedded in the post.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=116384497&postcount=375

https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/245638366975098880
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/243824027544739841
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/242850874290999298
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/242283855145496576
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/236241665814315010
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/242090388985376769
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/225797173256810497
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/215795094337503232
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/176816181922119681
https://twitter.com/Npatrick21/status/175051852994461697

 

[banme*]

I'm not sure I'd worry too much about that, Patrik Laine was apparently getting arrested and threatening to murder his coach a year or so ago.

 

[JA]

I'm not sure I'd worry too much about that, Patrik Laine was apparently getting arrested and threatening to murder his coach a year or so ago.

Arrested? Do you have a source? I don't believe he ever was.

As for the Ivan Hlinka Tournament incident, Laine urged his coach to put him on the ice in the final minute of the game so that they would have a better chance to tie the score; his coach did not, and Laine lashed out in frustration. After that incident, he saw a team psychologist, learned from his mistake, and grew as an individual.

Except its evidence of bad decision making under pressure. Its pretty ridiculous to use one WJC game to call Matthews a choke artist, but its out of order to point out Laine isn't perfect. And it was a year and a half ago, I wouldn't call it ancient.

Here is some context:

It was at the Ivan Hlinka Tournament in August 2014. According to Reddit, he was angry that the coach refused to place him out on the ice in the final minute of the game while the team was trying to tie the score.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/2dpagf/finnish_player_sent_home_from_ivan_hlinka_tourney/

According to this post on DobberSports, which cites numerous Finnish sources, Laine pointed the middle finger at his coach and used harsh language towards him. His teammates were disgruntled with him at that time, as he displayed a bit of an ego. A few months later, he stated that it was a mistake, that he learned from it, and that he had seen team psychologists with regards to the incident.

http://forums.dobbersports.com/showthread.php?186893-Patrik-Laine

Jouko-Pouko
Join Date May 2011
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August 29, 2015, 4:26 PM

I figured I'd add a little more background information about Laine since I'm sure he will be one of the most asked about players of the 2016 draft class.

A year and a half ago, Laine was sent back home from the Ivan Hlinka tournament after he showed the middle finger to his coach and yelled something about how he could kill the coach. (Source in Finnish: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/jaakiekko/...725477770.html) At the same time, there were also lots of rumors about how his teammates are annoyed by him because he thinks he's a star already and carries that bad attitude everywhere. After a few months, Laine gave an interview to a Finnish newspaper. He admitted being stupid, said he learned from it and that it wouldn't happen again. He also said he saw team psychologist multiple times. (Source in Finnish: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/sm-liiga/a...743958485.html)

Laine was left off the U18 team in the fall of 2014 but he did play for them at the U18 World Championship in 2015, and he played very well there (8 goals and 11 points in 7 games). I can't find a source for this but I remember the coach being asked if he faced any issues with Laine, and the coach said there were no issues whatsoever.

More recently, at the Lake Placid tournament (U20) Laine scored 3 goals and 5 points in 5 games. After the tournament, head coach Jukka Jalonen said that Laine is the best '98 born player he has seen. Of course Matthews is born in '97 but Puljujärvi is also '98, so the coach thinks Laine is at least better than Puljujärvi. (Source in Finnish: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/jaakiekko/...262180006.html)

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He had yet to learn humility, but part of growing up is learning how to see the world from multiple perspectives, building social skills, and striving to be a better person. Personalities change dramatically during adolescence, and Patrik has had the right guidance and support to become an admirable and noble individual.

He was upset as a 16-year-old that he could not be the go-to guy when the team needed to tie the game. That incident changed him for the better as a person; it taught him that he must respect other people's decisions regardless of his own opinion, among many other valuable lessons. For a sense of perspective, in North America, kids at that age would have yet to start Grade 11.

Hah, that was a joke

I doubt that there are any issues regarding work ethic with Patrik. There seem to have been some rumors prior to the 2015-16 season, but those have been put to rest this year.

Here's a report from October 2014:

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/scouts-marvel-over-u-s--and-finnish-talent-in-2016-nhl-draft-class-054819612.html

Laine is a half of a step behind Puljujarvi on the ice, but concerns surrounding the 6-foot-3, 209-pound forward’s character makes him a bit of a wildcard. He was sent home from the Ivan Hlinka Memorial tournament for disciplinary reasons and was inconsistent while playing in the Fin 2 League. If he shows growth in his maturity, he could be one of the more enticing European prospects of the 2016 draft.

“Laine has the tools to be the No. 2 (of the group of three Finnish prospects), but he needs to grow up as a person,” says [Goran] Stubb. “He will probably play with Tappara in the FIN league later in the season because he’s a powerful, strong skater with great offensive instincts and skills.”

McKeen's mentioned this, and initially had him at #7 in August 2015.

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/feature-story/youngblood-preliminary-2016-nhl-draft-rankings-2/

7. Patrik Laine, RW (Tappara, Liiga)

The 2016 draft class is trending towards players combining above-average size, power, strength, as well as skill and Patrik Laine meets all of that criteria. The burly winger owns a shoot-first mentality yet remains a viable playmaker with slick puckhandling ability. His skating remains a work in progress and while there appears to be plenty of questions regarding his character, work ethic and defensive commitments, Laine’s package of brute strength, hockey sense and feared shooting abilities earn him top 10 consideration. The Sarnia Sting own his CHL rights after selecting him in the 2015 Import Draft so it’ll be interesting to follow whether they’ll be able to lure him from overseas in future seasons. For now, Laine looks to establish himself as a threat in Finland’s top professional league.

By January, they had him ranked #1 overall on their 2016 NHL Draft Rankings.

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospects-blog/mckeens-2016-top-30-nhl-draft-rankings-jan-2016/

McKeen’s top ranked prospect isn’t the “consensus” number one for the 2016 NHL draft, a distinction that has been bestowed upon Auston Matthews for the past year or more, yet Finland’s Patrik Laine has served notice to the scouting world that the decision on who goes first overall will not be an easy one, and that he is in the discussion.

“He’s the first prospect that reminds me of Mario (Lemieux) since Mario,” noted one senior NHL scout who was blown away by Laine’s performance at the WJC over the holidays, where the 6-4 left winger compiled seven goals and six assists in seven games while leading Finland to a Gold Medal victory at home.

“It’s ballsy to have him rated number one, but can’t say I disagree… he could be a home run.”

Laine is six months younger, three inches taller, and has outscored Matthews 29 goals to 19 in international play over the past three years. Up until now, Matthews had been considered the better prospect, but that wasn’t the case at the WJC, where Laine quite simply was the dominant offensive force from tournament start to finish along with linemate and fellow draft prospect Jesse Puljujarvi (ranked third overall).

His size, strength, puck skills, shot and smarts were evident in every game, and as the world juniors went on Laine became more willing to throw his body around as well.

“He competed hard in the big games,” noted one scout. “His point totals slowed down, but his willingness to compete defensively grew as they got closer to winning.”

Laine has had an very good year and seems to have turned things around, enough for him to be the consensus #2 on everyone's lists.

A few posters here have pointed this out.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112761213&postcount=906

laine bring so much skill, but has character issues.

Had. If you'd be a Finn and you'd seen his interviews or media stuff this season, you'd think the opposite.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112761299&postcount=907

What character issues?

I'd guess this is a reference to the 2014 Hnlinka incident. He seems to of learned from his mistakes, but he's obviously gonna get grilled heavily over it in interviews and GM's will be very curious of his answers and response.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112761535&postcount=909

laine bring so much skill, but has character issues.

Don't quote me on this one, but I actually recall Laine saying in an interview with YLE before the WJC that he's gotten professional help with his "issues" after the WJC incident last year.

Had. If you'd be a Finn and you'd seen his interviews or media stuff this season, you'd think the opposite.

This. He does sound very mature all in all.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112762159&postcount=915

I'd guess this is a reference to the 2014 Hnlinka incident. He seems to of learned from his mistakes, but he's obviously gonna get grilled heavily over it in interviews and GM's will be very curious of his answers and response.

I was guessing that, but anyone who has been around him has said he is completely a different person and he learned from his mistakes,
and you could see that in his interviews that he is grown and a damm great persona for hockey scene

But those same anger issues are still boiling under the surface even if he has had professional help. You gotta think it factors in.

He was something like 15-16y when those happened, and media loved to hype those problems.
Have heard nothing bad since then.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112766345&postcount=919

laine bring so much skill, but has character issues.

has absolutely great character, it is one of his assets nowadays. way he handled pr/media before WJC final was pure gold.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112768677&postcount=923

Had. If you'd be a Finn and you'd seen his interviews or media stuff this season, you'd think the opposite.

This. He comes across as a very smart and level-headed kid these days. Professional help can make a huge difference, especially in young people. He messed up, was punished accordingly and fortunately got help.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=112769685&postcount=924

This. He comes across as a very smart and level-headed kid these days. Professional help can make a huge difference, especially in young people. He messed up, was punished accordingly and fortunately got help.

Agreed. Kid seems way more mature than your average 17-year-old, so much so that he's even openly, in an interview, assessed his own personality, his own maturity and improvement as a person. Imo that's an indication of mental maturity to be able to do that at such a young age.

Kids grow up; they mature and learn from experience as well as from strong guidance from others. Patrik has silenced his critics this season.

His work ethic this year has been exemplary; it is evident in the way his game has changed throughout the course of this season. He has worked hard to make major improvements to his game.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/prospectus-prospecting-scouting-reports-on-laine-and-puljujarvi/

Summary

Laine is unquestionably one of the best sniper prospects to emerge since the likes of John Tavares and Steven Stamkos. His game has matured a lot even during this season and after a great performance in the WJC he has really picked up his game in Liiga also. His lethal shot makes him a very valuable asset for any team on the power play. Physically, Laine is already close to being NHL ready and will probably make the leap across the pond for next season. He is nothing but a lock to get picked in the top 3 in the upcoming draft.

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospects-blog/mckeens-2016-top-30-nhl-draft-rankings-mar-2016/

Matthews is a ‘clear-cut’ No. 1 pick is many circles, however the staff here at McKeen’s feel that the rocket-like development of Patrik Laine this season has muddied the waters.

Laine made a number of new NHL believers playing recently in his international debut with the senior Finnish national team. “He was exceptional with the national team last week. Plays very well with good players,” said one top NHL scout.

Upon watching Laine’s masterful showing at the U20 World Juniors, another head scout suggested that Laine “reminded him of a young Mario.”

Those fortunate enough to have experienced the NHL career of Magnificant Mario Lemieux will no doubt see certain similarities in the style of Laine. His ability to dangle the puck anywhere within his body range, front, back, and side – combined with an innate sense for where the puck can be protected – is a bit eerily reminiscent of Lemieux.

Harassing others and acting like a punk, though, is a little bit different. It's one thing to be competitive; it's another to be an incessant, smug trash talker. Unless someone has intervened to change Nolan's behavior, I feel like he might carry that brutish, inconsiderate attitude into adulthood. There are NHL players whose careers veer off course because of that sort of unlikable, divisive attitude. Respect for others is an important attribute to have; those that lack this quality may end up being unwanted.

The first current player that comes to mind when I look at Nolan Patrick's personality is Evander Kane.

 

[banme*]

I'm saying that even those with serious problems can seemingly turn it around, and I don't think trash talking what are likely his friends on twitter when he's 14 is anything close.

RE: arrested, I'm pretty sure I read that he was having some run ins with the law in that thread with all the Finnish posters, but I could be completely mistaken lol.

 

[JA]

I'm saying that even those with serious problems can seemingly turn it around, and I don't think trash talking what are likely his friends on twitter when he's 14 is anything close.

RE: arrested, I'm pretty sure I read that he was having some run ins with the law in that thread with all the Finnish posters, but I could be completely mistaken lol.

It's something to keep an eye on, I suppose. We'll see how his draft year plays out, especially as the NHL Scouting Combine seems to emphasize the interview process. Kids need to grow up, though -- not everyone does. 14 seems to be rather late to act the way that he did. Kids don't usually just grow out of it; someone needs to steer them in the right direction.

 

[MS]

I don't know if the kid has matured, but at the age of 14 he came across as rather arrogant. He reminds me of a grade school bully. When you take into account leadership qualities, that's not what you really want to see.

Here is a post with many relevant tweets; the less appropriate ones are linked to rather than embedded in the post.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=116384497&postcount=375

It's not a great look, but Patrick was 13 for almost all of those. Some swearing immature tweets from a grade 8 kid isn't exactly shocking. A little ridiculous to start comparing him to Evander Kane.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

I'm sure glad nobody can see what I was saying when I was 14

 

[Josepho]

I don't know if the kid has matured, but at the age of 14 he came across as rather arrogant. He reminds me of a grade school bully. When you take into account leadership qualities, that's not what you really want to see.

Here is a post with many relevant tweets; the less appropriate ones are linked to rather than embedded in the post.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=116384497&postcount=375

I'm not sure I'd worry too much. I'm sure there are other big names who have done similar things. I was also a knob when I was 14, and that dumb "memories on facebook" thing makes me cringe daily.

 

[M2Beezy]

I'm sure glad nobody can see what I was saying when I was 14

Haha u guys can read my early posts when i was 14 lol i think i post a lil diffy now to say the least

 

[Alpha]

The Oilers literally have 1st overalls with no value.


Matthews isn't a cheat code, just like Tavares isn't, Has NYI won a playoff series since him?



I'd like Matthews but I am realistic with Getting Tkachuk or Dubois and gettin er done with Bowie and The Hut

Yakupov was a bust, the rest of their high drafts picks are just fine. Stop exaggerating.

As to the rest of your post... I'll simply offer this: the two best players on this team currently were Top 3 picks. There hasn't been a team to win the cup without a Top 3 pick on its roster in over a decade. But I'm sure if any team is changing history, it's the Canucks.

Why are oilers fans trolling me on Canucks hf? Who cares what the oilers did in the #80s or any of their failed prospects.

I wish I was an Oilers fan.

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I'm sure glad nobody can see what I was saying when I was 14

Precisely.

 

[The Drop]

I'm sure glad nobody can see what I was saying when I was 14

Yea. I was 200x worse

 

[rune74]

Haha u guys can read my early posts when i was 14 lol i think i post a lil diffy now to say the least

Pretty much consistant.

 

[banme*]

I'm sure there are other big names who have done similar things.

Wow this is gold lmao.

 

[M2Beezy]

I'm not sure I'd worry too much. I'm sure there are other big names who have done similar things. I was also a knob when I was 14, and that dumb "memories on facebook" thing makes me cringe daily.

Social media is stupid thats why i dont have twitter and facebook any more

 

[THE Green Man]

I've given up on what exactly Benning is trying to build. He makes so many moves that simply don't make any sense short term or long term.

I have no idea what the plan is for Granlund. 4th line center? well you can find those in free agency for peanuts or just promote Gaunce or Zalewski in that role. If Sedin/Horvat/Sutter get injured promote McCann from Utica. A soft tweener like Granlund does nothing for this team in the short or long term and is yet another puzzling move by this administration.

Completely agree with this post. I wanted to see what Granlund offered and after seeing him in a few games now, not much. His shot isn't as it was advertised by Calgary fans, nor is his defensive game anything that JB spoke highly of. I mean how does he leave Toffoli that open on the opening goal last night. While I am still not sold on Gaunce, he has been way more impressive than Granlund thus far. Too bad Gaunce can't finish because he works his tail off. I completely agree we should have brought Gaunce up instead and given him his shot at the 4C instead, especially with Travis Green giving him center minutes in Utica. Just seems more and more stupid seeing how much tweener depth we have in the dot to have moved Shink for Granlund. We could have just held onto him and gotten a defenseman at the draft if we were set on trading him.

Assuming we don't get Matthews, I see us running: Sedin-Sutter-Horvat-Granlund down the middle next season. Hopefully they can get Boeser signed this weekend and have him and McCann develop a year together in Utica next season- both being call up options when injuries occur in the top 9.

 

[JA]

It's not a great look, but Patrick was 13 for almost all of those. Some swearing immature tweets from a grade 8 kid isn't exactly shocking. A little ridiculous to start comparing him to Evander Kane.

I just remembered Josh Ho-Sang, another player who was slated to challenge for first overall in his draft year.

Let's just hope that Patrick has matured and that he isn't going to follow that path.

 

[Hit the post]

I'm sure glad nobody can see what I was saying when I was 14

meh, I haven't reached my peak yet.

I'm 12.

 

[MS]

I just remembered Josh Ho-Sang, another player who was slated to challenge for first overall in his draft year.

Let's just hope that Patrick has matured and that he isn't going to follow that path.

Everything you hear about Patrick as a person now is positive.

Literally the only negative thing we have are some tweets of him talking like a typical 13 y/o kid.