Proposal: Canuck style re-build

[Canuck Luck]

Since the Canucks are never going to do a full on re-build here is my idea of a re-build while "staying competitive"

Trade 1:
To Montreal:
Alex Edler
Mackenzie Stewart

To Vancouver:
David Desharnais
Nathan Beaulieu
2016 1st round pick

Montreal fills their biggest need in a top pairing lhd to compliment weber. They also dump Desharnais. Canucks get back a young lhd to grow with the team and a 1st round pick.


Trade #2
To Dallas:
Ryan Miller

To Vancouver:
Antti Niemi
2nd round pick in 2017
conditional 3rd round pick in 2018

Condition on the 3rd is if Miller is re-signed, Dallas sends a 3rd to Vancouver as well. Dallas gets a goalie better than the 2 they have now for cheap whilst getting rid of one of those bad goalie contracts. People are going to say Dallas won't give up picks for Miller, its more like a 2nd round pick to get rid of Niemi's 2nd year on that contract. Not a bad price to pay given what teams have had to give up to get rid of similar contracts. They get to try out Miller for free for the rest of this season. If he shows well, re-sign him and the Canucks get a 3rd. If not, let him walk and it will have just cost 1.5M in cap space this season and a 2nd round pick to ditch Niemi for next season

Trade #3:
To Buffalo:
Sven Baertschi
Luca Sbisa

To Vancouver:
Evander Kane
Taylor Fedun

Buffalo rids themselves of Kane. It's a gamble as he has the ability to be the best player in the deal, but has serious baggage (also must be playing horribly with 1 pt in 7 games) with a big cap hit. They get an offensive lw back along with upgrades on thier bottom pairing d currently. I've seen Buffalo fans agree to something around Sbisa for Kane so getting Baertschi should be enough to have them agree.

Trade #4:
To Calgary:
Derek Dorsett
Philip Larsen
Dallas 2nd round pick in 2017

To Vancouver:
Michael Ferland
Derek Engelland
Brandon Bollig

Calgary unloads 2 horrible contracts while receiving 2 players better players back that make a bit less and receive a 2nd for Ferland.

Canucks roster when healthy.

sedin sedin sutter
kane horvat eriksson
rodin granlund hansen
ferland desharnais burrows
skille

hutton tanev
beaulieu gudbranson
tryamkin stecher
biega engelland

markstrom
niemi

Team gets bigger, and younger. The 2 things Benning has wet dreams about. Also pick up a 1st round pick and a conditional 3rd. Team will also have over 11M coming off the books for next season (Burrows 4.5M, Desharnais 3.5M, Engelland 2.9M, Bollig 300k burried)

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[SnoopDogg]

The Kane proposal seems fair, Baertshi or whatever is a gamble but Kane is even more of one, so on the behalf of the I accept.

 

[Frk It]

Not trying to be a dick, but do the Canucks actually think they are staying competitive???

 

[Cquant]

I wasn't aware Ferland had that high value. I wouldn't want that Calgary trade from Van's point of view, not at all. The rest are passable I guess. About where I see their value as well.

Our blue line without Edler is a bit depressing. At least there's a spot for Juolevi to grow with the team though.

 

[QcFlames12]

I wasn't aware Ferland had that high value. I wouldn't want that Calgary trade from Van's point of view, not at all. The rest are passable I guess. About where I see their value as well.

Our blue line without Edler is a bit depressing. At least there's a spot for Juolevi to grow with the team though.

I don't like the trade from à flames side either, basically trying to hide throwing us Dorsetts contract which I believe still has a few years, I would rather just keep the two players albeit horrible but expire this summer. I also do not want to trade Ferland, I believe he means a lot to our locker room and plays the way I want this team to play. Still some hidden potential also and fits right in with our age group

 

[Blueangel1891]

Not trying to be a dick, but do the Canucks actually think they are staying competitive???

Fans don't, Aquilini's do. It's the biggest joke in hockey actually

 

[Mr Misty]

Willing to retain on that Miller contract or no?

 

[Tryamkin]

Willing to retain on that Miller contract or no?

If we're taking Niemi back, absolutely not.

 

[FlamerForLife]

Flames say no to that trade, Ferland's playing very well to start this season, and Engelland & Bollig's contracts are both done after this season, so no need for the flames to do that trade.
Personally I hope to never see Dorsett in a flames jersey.

 

[canadianmagpie]

If we're taking Niemi back, absolutely not.

Keep in mind Miller's contract expires in the summer so it would only be for one year. I'd retain if the conditions were removed from the pick.

I'd take the Montreal deal (though I'd either try to flip Desharnais unless the Canucks think he could be a temporary #2 centre so Sutter could play on the Sedin's wing).

As for the Buffalo deal, I wouldn't part with Baertschi in that deal even though I'm all for getting away from Sbisa. I'd be more willing to part with a 3rd or 4th round pick (say the 3rd from Dallas) and forget Fedun in the deal.

As for trade 4, I think it's pretty even (maybe a slight edge to Vancouver when considering contracts). So I'd take it, but I also want Dorsett gone as much as I want Sbisa gone.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Keep in mind Miller's contract expires in the summer so it would only be for one year. I'd retain if the conditions were removed from the pick.

I'd take the Montreal deal (though I'd either try to flip Desharnais unless the Canucks think he could be a temporary #2 centre so Sutter could play on the Sedin's wing).

As for the Buffalo deal, I wouldn't part with Baertschi in that deal even though I'm all for getting away from Sbisa. I'd be more willing to part with a 3rd or 4th round pick (say the 3rd from Dallas) and forget Fedun in the deal.

As for trade 4, I think it's pretty even (maybe a slight edge to Vancouver when considering contracts). So I'd take it, but I also want Dorsett gone as much as I want Sbisa gone.

Only way Canucks retain is if the deal is pushed up in value. More so than just a 2nd and 3rd. We've seen teams having to spend 2nd round picks or prospects almost NHL ready to move cap hits that extend into next season.
If Dallas is willing deal their first I'd be willing to retain as much cap as possible for the deal to be made. But that isn't likely. So the deal is as is or pump that value up

 

[VanJack]

If there was a dose truth serum in the Canucks executive booth, Tanev, Edler, Miller and Burrows would all be gone at or before the trade deadline for a bounty of picks/prospects.....but you'd have to send the GM Benning in for a brainwashing de-programming treatment first.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Since the Canucks are never going to do a full on re-build here is my idea of a re-build while "staying competitive"

Trade 1:
To Montreal:
Alex Edler
Mackenzie Stewart

To Vancouver:
David Desharnais
Nathan Beaulieu
2016 1st round pick

Montreal fills their biggest need in a top pairing lhd to compliment weber. They also dump Desharnais. Canucks get back a young lhd to grow with the team and a 1st round pick.


Trade #2
To Dallas:
Ryan Miller

To Vancouver:
Antti Niemi
2nd round pick in 2017
conditional 3rd round pick in 2018

Condition on the 3rd is if Miller is re-signed, Dallas sends a 3rd to Vancouver as well. Dallas gets a goalie better than the 2 they have now for cheap whilst getting rid of one of those bad goalie contracts. People are going to say Dallas won't give up picks for Miller, its more like a 2nd round pick to get rid of Niemi's 2nd year on that contract. Not a bad price to pay given what teams have had to give up to get rid of similar contracts. They get to try out Miller for free for the rest of this season. If he shows well, re-sign him and the Canucks get a 3rd. If not, let him walk and it will have just cost 1.5M in cap space this season and a 2nd round pick to ditch Niemi for next season

Trade #3:
To Buffalo:
Sven Baertschi
Luca Sbisa

To Vancouver:
Evander Kane
Taylor Fedun

Buffalo rids themselves of Kane. It's a gamble as he has the ability to be the best player in the deal, but has serious baggage (also must be playing horribly with 1 pt in 7 games) with a big cap hit. They get an offensive lw back along with upgrades on thier bottom pairing d currently. I've seen Buffalo fans agree to something around Sbisa for Kane so getting Baertschi should be enough to have them agree.

Trade #4:
To Calgary:
Derek Dorsett
Philip Larsen
Dallas 2nd round pick in 2017

To Vancouver:
Michael Ferland
Derek Engelland
Brandon Bollig

Calgary unloads 2 horrible contracts while receiving 2 players better players back that make a bit less and receive a 2nd for Ferland.

Canucks roster when healthy.

sedin sedin sutter
kane horvat eriksson
rodin granlund hansen
ferland desharnais burrows
skille

hutton tanev
beaulieu gudbranson
tryamkin stecher
biega engelland

markstrom
niemi

Team gets bigger, and younger. The 2 things Benning has wet dreams about. Also pick up a 1st round pick and a conditional 3rd. Team will also have over 11M coming off the books for next season (Burrows 4.5M, Desharnais 3.5M, Engelland 2.9M, Bollig 300k burried)

Edler is not a top pairing D anymore.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

If Dallas thinks they can get Bishop or Fleury at or before the deadline, they're going to want a Ryan Miller that TBL/PIT would be willing to take as a temporary contract dump until the summer.

A $6.0M Ryan Miller is probably a "no go" for those teams. A $3.0M Ryan Miller is much more moveable. More realistically, even a $4.5M Ryan Miller via 25 percent retention could be appealing to PIT or TBL as a backup.

If Dallas is waiting for the offseason to target a legit goalie - a mistake IMO - then your $6.0M Ryan Miller trade would perhaps be a good idea. Steep price though.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Edler is not a top pairing D anymore.

Yes he is. He's a shutdown #2 with a bit of offense.

These deals are very fair and well thought out well done OP

 

[mariolemieux66]

Yes he is. He's a shutdown #2 with a bit of offense.

These deals are very fair and well thought out well done OP

This isn't 2011 anymore. The game is too fast for Edler and his offense as slowed down.

 

[Frk It]

Fans don't, Aquilini's do. It's the biggest joke in hockey actually

Was genuinely asking, because I didn't know they had that stance. Seems odd especially after you just picked 5th overall.

I know how that can be frustrating though, Red Wings refuse to re-build and a lot of our fans think it is time to do so.

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

Change the Calgary deal to a 3rd and I'd do all of these. Losing Sbisa and Dorsett, getting a 1st and 2nd, Beaulieu and Kane. I would retain a little on Miller to get the 3rd with no conditions, then throw that pick into the CGY deal

 

[Duddy]

Sabres say no

 

[TacitEndorsement]

If we're taking Niemi back, absolutely not.

Why not? His deal is done this summer. Value aside, who cares if Canucks retain when it's gone in 6 months and they aren't competitive anyway.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Why not? His deal is done this summer. Value aside, who cares if Canucks retain when it's gone in 6 months and they aren't competitive anyway.

Ok let's just try this for two seconds. I'm the GM and you're the owner. I come to you and tell you your hated rival owner wants your goaltender, they feel his 6 million dollar price tag is too high, ask to retain 2 million of that money while also accepting a much lesser goaltender who has a cap hit of 4.5 million thru next season.
So now the Canucks are on the hook for 6.5 million worth of goaltending but only have Niemi and Markstrom to handle those NHL duties. While your hated rival goes on to playoff revenues.

Would you be willing to eat 6.5 million for a 2nd and a conditional 3rd? Pretty awful when we've seen lesser cap hits be a minimum 2nd plus a prospect near NHL ready. Sure you can factor the Benning thing in all you want. Still an awful deal.

The Hawks paid TT who was a recent 1st round pick and more to rid themselves of Bickell and his 4 million dollar price tag. I don't see anything close to that value

 

[TT1]

Habs don't need Edler, this guy really isn't what he used to be.

 

[TacitEndorsement]

Ok let's just try this for two seconds. I'm the GM and you're the owner. I come to you and tell you your hated rival owner wants your goaltender, they feel his 6 million dollar price tag is too high, ask to retain 2 million of that money while also accepting a much lesser goaltender who has a cap hit of 4.5 million thru next season.
So now the Canucks are on the hook for 6.5 million worth of goaltending but only have Niemi and Markstrom to handle those NHL duties. While your hated rival goes on to playoff revenues.

Would you be willing to eat 6.5 million for a 2nd and a conditional 3rd? Pretty awful when we've seen lesser cap hits be a minimum 2nd plus a prospect near NHL ready. Sure you can factor the Benning thing in all you want. Still an awful deal.

The Hawks paid TT who was a recent 1st round pick and more to rid themselves of Bickell and his 4 million dollar price tag. I don't see anything close to that value

I think those are all irrelevant feelings that shouldn't get in the way of building a competitive team.

If my owner rejects the deal because of financial reasons, okay, it's his money. But I would approach every deal only caring about building the best team possible until told otherwise.

Also, I just watched Ex Machina and am feeling especially robotic.