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[River Meadow]

I like Dvorsky too. But his own list is not pure BPA.
I would like to read/see the reasoning of someone putting Dvorsky or Benson ahead of Michkov as BPA, not a pseudo-mock.

McCagg said on Marinaro's show he would have Michkov at 2 based on pure talent but the Russian factor has him at 9

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Well join the parade because neither will our brain trust. Given what it would cost we aren't moving up. There is absolutely no logic to it. What this organization needs to make it clear there is no way we pass on Michkov if he's available at 5. We should be hyping him to the moon regardless of what we intend. A fish is more likely to take a bait that is in the water.

 

[yianik]

Four teams passed on Jaromir Jagr because of questions on his coming over. Pittsburgh happily took the mega talented gift when the opportunity presented itself.

Just say "yes thank you".

 

[SlafySZN]

I think they have Carlsson ahead of Smith along with everybody else. I think the first 3 picks are virtually a lock with both of Smith and Michkov for San Jose to choose from although imo Dvorsky is also in that conversation.


The fake scouting services still referring to him as being 148 lbs has been a running joke for myself.

Michkov said he was 172 lbs now, makes more sense lol

 

[Kennerback]

McCagg said on Marinaro's show he would have Michkov at 2 based on pure talent but the Russian factor has him at 9

At least there’s that. On pure BPA, not one scout in the NHL would put Dvorsky ahead. Let’s say there’s NHL scouts coming up with their own lists, it’s 140 Michkov, 0 Dvorsky, 0 Benson, 0 Reinbacher as BPA.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

That boy doesn't look like he weighs 150 pounds.

Well, he is an hockey player. They are all built about like that.

 

[Redux91]

So what you're saying is that if someone in the top4 takes Michkov, we'll be ok, or if they don't pick Michkov then we can pick him and be ok.

Sounds like we're at the right place..

Not what I said, no.

Clearly, you're unaware or just plain ignorant of the underlying issues surrounding the person in question and the noise of MTL's possible reluctance to take him? That's OK, tons of threads and posts around and articles that can enlighten you on the situation, go read up!

Obviously, there is no issue if they suck it up and take him at 5. Sounds like we would be pretty happy majority wise too.
But IF he happens to be there at 5, and you don't take him, AND Bedard, Fantilli, Smith and Carlsson just went 1 2 3 and 4, our options at 5 now dip into a lower tier.
Well golly gee,
It sure sounds like being in the 1, 2 , 3 and wow look at that even the 4th spot are ALL better spots than the #5 spot. Where the REAL biggest decision must be made.
Do you at least understand any of that? A little bit?

Again, Obviously, we can just TAKE Michkov, and everything would be fine, for the most part.

It's not that we're dying for someone else to take Michkov as if whoever falls to us will be the better player, the feeling is it would be "nice" if someone kind of "helped us" not get to this super difficult decision that will emerge at the draft ON the spot if it goes down the way most of us think it will.

Is what I saying.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Not what I said, no.

Clearly, you're unaware or just plain ignorant of the underlying issues surrounding the person in question and the noise of MTL's possible reluctance to take him? That's OK, tons of threads and posts around and articles that can enlighten you on the situation, go read up!

Obviously, there is no issue if they suck it up and take him at 5. Sounds like we would be pretty happy majority wise too.
But IF he happens to be there at 5, and you don't take him, AND Bedard, Fantilli, Smith and Carlsson just went 1 2 3 and 4, our options at 5 now dip into a lower tier.
Well golly gee,
It sure sounds like being in the 1, 2 , 3 and wow look at that even the 4th spot are ALL better spots than the #5 spot. Where the REAL biggest decision must be made.
Do you at least understand any of that? A little bit?

Again, Obviously, we can just TAKE Michkov, and everything would be fine, for the most part.

It's not that we're dying for someone else to take Michkov as if whoever falls to us will be the better player, the feeling is it would be "nice" if someone kind of "helped us" not get to this super difficult decision that will emerge at the draft ON the spot if it goes down the way most of us think it will.

Is what I saying.

I'm not ignorant of anything. I just don't overreact like you do when unreliable info is thrown around.

Michkov is available, you draft him. Plain simple. No russian superstars have ever skipped the NHL in 30+ years.

 

[sandviper]

Don't forget about his dashing good looks, which may rival Slafkovsky's...

Chadkovsky and Chadsson.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Just as a reminder, in 2014 Christian Dvorak was reviewed as this, it's a copy-paste :
Dvorak is a very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush. He also has good agility and edgework, allowing Dvorak to slip around defenders. He could stand to bulk up though, to improve his balance and be stronger on the puck.

Ok, read this again : "very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush."

2014 NHL Draft Profile #70: Christian Dvorak

A scouting report and player profile of Christian Dvorak of the London Knights, who seemed on his way to a solid season before a knee injury got in the way.

lastwordonsports.com

Are they talking about the same Dvorak who is playing for the Habs? Man what did the guy who wrote this smoked?

And how about anything we can read on every future draft player. Are we badly informed? Is all the scouts reports are fake news?

 

[HuGort]

Phil Boucher was on Tony Marinaro Yesterday. He's real high on Benson. Said +68. And he's a big game player.

 

[NORiculous]

Just as a reminder, in 2014 Christian Dvorak was reviewed as this, it's a copy-paste :
Dvorak is a very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush. He also has good agility and edgework, allowing Dvorak to slip around defenders. He could stand to bulk up though, to improve his balance and be stronger on the puck.

Ok, read this again : "very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush."

2014 NHL Draft Profile #70: Christian Dvorak

A scouting report and player profile of Christian Dvorak of the London Knights, who seemed on his way to a solid season before a knee injury got in the way.

lastwordonsports.com

Are they talking about the same Dvorak who is playing for the Habs? Man what did the guy who wrote this smoked?

And how about anything we can read on every future draft player. Are we badly informed? Is all the scouts reports are fake news?

Dvorak had real good potential and that actually lasted a long time.

He would occasionally go on a hot streak and every one thought: there it is, he is breaking out! But it always was only a hot streak.

One of the reasons MB paid the price to get him was that it was still possible for him to have that hidden gear. Bad circumstances, trash team, etc.

So MB probably thought:

New coach, new team, new opportunity, getting away from phoenix, etc.

A lot of people on this board though he was breaking out when MSL arrived. I kept saying that he was at peek value and he needed to be traded ASAP. Most would respond that they wanted to see him another year, that he was a useful player, that there wasn’t any rush, that MSL would bring him to the other level…

Well, now everyone knows and Dvorak isn’t worth anything.

Still like the gamble MB took, even if he paid too much. But, Dvorak absolutely needed to be traded that summer.

So, yes it’s the same Dvorak they are talking about. He just never broke out.

 

[Redux91]

I'm not ignorant of anything. I just don't overreact like you do when unreliable info is thrown around.

Michkov is available, you draft him. Plain simple. No russian superstars have ever skipped the NHL in 30+ years.

I agree.
Just take him.

The Kaprizov thing helps us I find, If Michkov is just as good or better, then it's just simply obviously worth the shot.
They waited 5 years for Kirill, they're laughing now

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Dvorak had real good potential and that actually lasted a long time.

He would occasionally go on a hot streak and every one thought: there it is, he is breaking out! But it always was only a hot streak.

One of the reasons MB paid the price to get him was that it was still possible for him to have that hidden gear. Bad circumstances, trash team, etc.

So MB probably thought:

New coach, new team, new opportunity, getting away from phoenix, etc.

A lot of people on this board though he was breaking out when MSL arrived. I kept saying that he was at peek value and he needed to be traded ASAP. Most would respond that they wanted to see him another year, that he was a useful player, that there wasn’t any rush, that MSL would bring him to the other level…

Well, now everyone knows and Dvorak isn’t worth anything.

Still like the gamble MB took, even if he paid too much. But, Dvorak absolutely needed to be traded that summer.

So, yes it’s the same Dvorak they are talking about. He just never broke out.

Yes but, but, his foot speed and his top end speed and acceleration? Where is that? Did he got injured badly in his first year in Arizona?

 

[yianik]

Well, he is an hockey player. They are all built about like that.

I remember a pic of Louis Leblanc, he looked like he weighed 150 pounds. And that was D+2 or so. He did not look like a hockey player.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Well, he is an hockey player. They are all built about like that.

Which is why none of them weigh 148 lbs lol

 

[salbutera]

Just as a reminder, in 2014 Christian Dvorak was reviewed as this, it's a copy-paste :
Dvorak is a very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush. He also has good agility and edgework, allowing Dvorak to slip around defenders. He could stand to bulk up though, to improve his balance and be stronger on the puck.

Ok, read this again : "very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush."

2014 NHL Draft Profile #70: Christian Dvorak

A scouting report and player profile of Christian Dvorak of the London Knights, who seemed on his way to a solid season before a knee injury got in the way.

lastwordonsports.com

Are they talking about the same Dvorak who is playing for the Habs? Man what did the guy who wrote this smoked?

And how about anything we can read on every future draft player. Are we badly informed? Is all the scouts reports are fake news?

Relative measure. The game today is significantly faster than it was in 2014 - Lucic was a 25G guy in 2014…

It also didn’t hurt matters that Dvorak was on one of the greatest lines in junior hockey history w London Knights (Marner & Tkachuk)

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Just as a reminder, in 2014 Christian Dvorak was reviewed as this, it's a copy-paste :
Dvorak is a very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush. He also has good agility and edgework, allowing Dvorak to slip around defenders. He could stand to bulk up though, to improve his balance and be stronger on the puck.

Ok, read this again : "very good skater with above average top-end speed and very good acceleration. His first step is very good, and his ability to change speeds helps him to beat opponents off the rush."

2014 NHL Draft Profile #70: Christian Dvorak

A scouting report and player profile of Christian Dvorak of the London Knights, who seemed on his way to a solid season before a knee injury got in the way.

lastwordonsports.com

Are they talking about the same Dvorak who is playing for the Habs? Man what did the guy who wrote this smoked?

And how about anything we can read on every future draft player. Are we badly informed? Is all the scouts reports are fake news?

Not sure which fake scouting site posted that nonsensical "analysis" but Dvorak's biggest weakness has always been his skating which is why he nearly fell to the 3rd round.

 

[rahad]

I agree.
Just take him.

The Kaprizov thing helps us I find, If Michkov is just as good or better, then it's just simply obviously worth the shot.
They waited 5 years for Kirill, they're laughing now

They are not laughing that much with Kaprizov one goal in 6 GP.

Let hope Michkov is more like a playoff beast like Kucherov.

But I agreed. If he is available at 5. Take him.

 

[Deleted member 257557]

Four teams passed on Jaromir Jagr because of questions on his coming over. Pittsburgh happily took the mega talented gift when the opportunity presented itself.

Just say "yes thank you".

Jagr could crack the hab line up at 50

 

[Habs]

So is the plan to move up in the draft ?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Not sure which fake scouting site posted that nonsensical "analysis" but Dvorak's biggest weakness has always been his skating which is why he nearly fell to the 3rd round.

I swear it's the second time I make a search and both times I found that one. Seems it's that one that survived, the other pronostics of Dvorak must have been erased. It's strange someone wrote that F*** scout about him. Total non-sense.

 

[phillytennis]

Mesar's pick is not that bright. Same with Rohrer.

Agreed...I wanted Jiri Kulich.

 

[Redux91]

So is the plan to move up in the draft ?

I would not be opposed.

 

[phillytennis]

Well if we were to trade in this draft it would only to be a move up I would imagine. Moving down from 5 doesn't make much sense to me when you think about it.

And sorry for clarification I wasn't done editing my post before you replied...

And what pick are you targeting? And before who get's drafted? I'm assuming this only happens at 4 and Carlsson is still available? Because with each rung we climb the pick will continue to get more and more expensive. I suppose pick 3 would guarantee us what we want.

So 5th pick another 1st plus Roy plus a LHD say Harris? to move up for Carlsson?

What do you think of this price? Honestly, I'm not sure if I like it or not for us or for Columbus. Especially if the consolation prize might be Michkov if we don't make the trade.

I do know I'd love to have Carlsson though. I think I could live with that trade. Reluctantly

Lousy trade you propose...ridiculous.