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HabbyGuy said:
And if he doesn't? Will you all of a sudden feel differently about your position? No matter who you choose in any draft there's a possibilty it won't work. But to pass on this "talent" due to unforseen circumstances not yet materialised seems silly to me.

He is from a talent perspective at the top of this draft with Bedard.

Why are any of the other choices perceived as better?

Why would any GM sleep better with any choice not name Bedard over Michkov? I seriously want to know.
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I have Michkov at 3 but I'm not blind to the fact teams have an issue with his style of play, they have an issue with his size, they have an issue with his compete, they have an issue with his defensive play/awareness, they're concerned about the mysterious death of his father, they have concern they haven't seen him live in 2 years, there is concern about not being able to develop him for 3 years, there's concern about his contract being extended and there's concern about the geopolitical situation getting worse over the next 3+ years.

Its also funny to me that the Michkov or I'm done with this front office folks won't stick their neck out for how stupid San Jose is for taking Will Smith over Michkov.

It's not black and white, so if they take Michkov ill be surprised but happy and then hold my breath for 3 years.

But if they pass and other teams pass too, can the Michkov disciples at least accept that there may be more to the player and the situation then what they seem to present as their argument?
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I have Michkov at 3 but I'm not blind to the fact teams have an issue with his style of play, they have an issue with his size, they have an issue with his compete, they have an issue with his defensive play/awareness, they're concerned about the mysterious death of his father, they have concern they haven't seen him live in 2 years, there is concern about not being able to develop him for 3 years, there's concern about his contract being extended and there's concern about the geopolitical situation getting worse over the next 3+ years.

Its also funny to me that the Michkov or I'm done with this front office folks won't stick their neck out for how stupid San Jose is for taking Will Smith over Michkov.

It's not black and white, so if they take Michkov ill be surprised but happy and then hold my breath for 3 years.

But if they pass and other teams pass too, can the Michkov disciples at least accept that there may be more to the player and the situation then what they seem to present as their argument?
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Listen at the end of the day I'm a habs fan so whoever they choose I'm going to have to eventually support it and get behind the player and hope for the best. I'm just trying to say the reward with Michkov is worthy of the gamble and seems silly to me to pass on from a hockey stand point.

All draft choice come with risk. Sure Michkovs risks are different due to geopolitical problems and are not related to hockey. Michkov the hockey player is a godsend for this team. And from a hockey point of view someone they shouldn't pass on.

Swing for the fences, frankly an opportunity like this is only happening due to these issues. It's the perfect storm, it won't happen again. We'd be foolish not to take it.

I'd have absolutely no regret with this pick no matter how it turns out. I can't say that with anyone else at this time at 5.

Can you?
 
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Runner77 said:
If the Caps are motivated and assuming their main focus is the player and not geopolitics (they have a healthy contingent of Russians in their ranks as it is), then this could really get interesting fast for Hughes, indeed. The draft floor should be more riveting than usual.
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Id trade Gallagher and hoffman +5th oa to wahington for 8thoa
 
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HomaridII said:
In 2020 The Athletic did a study based on 15 seasons worth of Data and created a draft pick value chart based on the games played, points etc.. of each pick #.

The no.2 has a value of 12.3, the no.5 has a value of 8.2, the no.31 has a value of 2.8, the 27th a value of 2.3

So going by these values theoretically it would be something like 5th + 31st + 37 for 2nd. This will go up in a year like this year with higher end prospects but to give you an idea.
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Such important context here, and I think the strength of the draft really can be accounted for in those numbers.

In this "strong" it stands to reason that the value of 5, 31 and 37 is stronger relative to weaker drafts 5, 31 and 37.

Very good baseline.

The only unknown is teams (buyer or seller) subjective beliefs on a particular prospect. But, I don't think those beliefs should change the value, just the probability of a deal actually getting done.
 
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rahad said:
Still have no idea how Shane Wright dropped so hard in the spce of one single year. From a 100% first overall pick to 4th....
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There is no such red flag as a player regressing. Which was the case with Wright

WeThreeKings said:
I have Michkov at 3 but I'm not blind to the fact teams have an issue with his style of play, they have an issue with his size, they have an issue with his compete, they have an issue with his defensive play/awareness, they're concerned about the mysterious death of his father, they have concern they haven't seen him live in 2 years, there is concern about not being able to develop him for 3 years, there's concern about his contract being extended and there's concern about the geopolitical situation getting worse over the next 3+ years.

Its also funny to me that the Michkov or I'm done with this front office folks won't stick their neck out for how stupid San Jose is for taking Will Smith over Michkov.

It's not black and white, so if they take Michkov ill be surprised but happy and then hold my breath for 3 years.

But if they pass and other teams pass too, can the Michkov disciples at least accept that there may be more to the player and the situation then what they seem to present as their argument?
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Dont worry.

The "This front office" folks were ready to turn their fandom if Hugo would skip on Wright.

We dodged a catastrophe didnt we
 
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HabbyGuy said:
Listen at the end of the day I'm a habs fan so whoever they choose I'm going to have to eventually support it and get behind the player and hope for the best. I'm just trying to say the reward with Michkov is worthy of the gamble and seems silly to me to pass on from a hockey stand point.

All draft choice come with risk. Sure Michkovs risks are different due to geopolitical problems and are not related to hockey. Michkov the hockey player is a godsend for this team. And from a hockey point of view someone they shouldn't pass on.

Swing for the fences, frankly an opportunity like this is only happening due to these issues. It's the perfect storm, it won't happen again. We'd be foolish not to take it.

I'd have absolutely no regret with this pick no matter how it turns out. I can't say that with anyone else at this time at 5.

Can you?
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I can with Leonard, Wood or Reinbacher. Dvorsky is the only name that comes up that gives me pause.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I can with Leonard, Wood or Reinbacher. Dvorsky is the only name that comes up that gives me pause.
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So if Michkov is as good as I believe he is and comes in 3 years and becomes one of the games brighter stars, you'd not regret this decision?

Because I'm saying no matter what, even if it's a complete fiasco, (highly unlikely) I won't regret a Michkov selection.

That's how much I believe he's the right pick at 5.
 
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HabbyGuy said:
So if Michkov is as good as I believe he is and comes in 3 years and becomes one of the games brighter stars, you'd not regret this decision?

Because I'm saying no matter what, even if it's a complete fiasco, I won't regret a Michkov selection.

That's how much I believe he's the right pick at 5.
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No, I wouldn't regret it. Someone after who we pick will become a star. It happens all the time. As long as they pick someone and turn them into a valuable contributor to a contending team, I've got no regrets.

You just can't be completely wrong. So that's what they need to figure out.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
No, I wouldn't regret it. Someone after who we pick will become a star. It happens all the time. As long as they pick someone and turn them into a valuable contributor to a contending team, I've got no regrets.

You just can't be completely wrong. So that's what they need to figure out.
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That's drafting for you, even Bedard could potentially bust. No matter how unlikely.

We never really know until we know. There's only so much figuring you can do. That said I truly believe we have one of the better minds in hockey in Hughes to do that figuring, that's why I have a hard time seeing him pass on Michkov.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:


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IB has a curious reputation. I don't feel like he's an insider or anything but I've seen him nail things over the years. Maybe I'm mistaken.

In any case, Michkov, Smith, and Benson (in that order) are my only options for 5OA as well, so this validates my priors and I therefore believe every word of it. But whatever happened to the Leonard, Dvorsky, and Reinbacher talk? All the underachiever types kept insisting on them three reaches for the 5OA.
 
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ReHabs said:
IB has a curious reputation. I don't feel like he's an insider or anything but I've seen him nail things over the years. Maybe I'm mistaken.

In any case, Michkov, Smith, and Benson (in that order) are my only options for 5OA as well, so this validates my priors and I therefore believe every word of it.
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So you choose to beleive the info that are consistent with your belief?
 
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Vachon23 said:
No one have any doubt on Michkov talent..

It’s the situation around him the problem that you 0 control on
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I can’t think of ONE time a high end Russian did not come over.
Andrei Kuzmenko just came over from Russia to play with the Canucks, so the they can’t come over argument is moot.

Of course you need to do your homework but if Michkov’s intention is to come over (and you’ll find this out in the interview) then you pick him at 5.

The payout is worth the calculated risk
 
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jaffy27 said:
I can’t think of ONE time a high end Russian did not come over.
Andrei Kuzmenko just came over from Russia to play with the Canucks, so the they can’t come over argument is moot.

Of course you need to do your homework but if Michkov’s intention is to come over (and you’ll find this out in the interview) then you pick him at 5.

The payout is worth the calculated risk
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Where in a completely different world though

Need to trust Bobrov connections
 
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