Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[Jaynki]

I bet that moving up shit is fake as f***
why spend assets when you can take the second best draft player at 5

Without a doubt.

Last year we were rumoured to wanting to trade back.

This year we want to move up.

Its bullshit. Its media guys wanting to start conversation. These guys have no clue about what is going on behind the scene.

1) i am not sure Fantilli is the pick at 2, it might be Carlsson or Smith...

2) the guy we will draft at 5 may end up better than the guy picked at 2, so unless we have a massive crush on someone, it dont make a lot of sense to pay a premium to move up

 

[GettingYourMoms]

I've followed the draft long enough now to avoid that kind of prediction on anybody other than Bedard in this draft. Sale is in the 3rd waive for me.

1st waive: Bedard
2nd waive: Michkov, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith
3rd waive: Several of the guys you listed and more.

There are guys that surprise into superstars but I'm not willing to say that for Sale as this point in time. The only fair argument you can make is he belongs in the 2nd waive. That would be a fair debate.

I can understand youre reasoning, but for me Šalé is best bet when you want to draft superstar winger.

 

[Jack Skellington]

All the losers in here trying to argue against me should start thinking like winners and aim for the best player in the draft: Matvei Michkov.

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It's OK, I know you've been conditioned to think that Montreal don't deserve superstars, but that's a toxic mentality. We deserve only the best players, the greatest superstars, and that's Bedard or Michkov. And we have a shot at one of them, miraculously.

It's a f***ing miracle, and people are pushing against it. Repent you impies.

Join the light.

You realize we don't make the selection here right?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not sure if it shows the IQ of Gretzky but it certainly shows his huge hockey sense and abilities. It seems incredulous to me how anyone could possibly be "sleeping" on Michkov



If the rumors of the habs wanting to move up in the draft are true. I would hope it's because they want to make sure Michkov is available to them. Because It's of my mind passing on him at 5 if we're lucky enough to have him slide there, would be a blunder of epic proportions. And that's no hyperbole.

The rumors of them wanting to move up are because they don't want Michkov. Everyone knows who the first 4 picks are they just don't know the order.

 

[rahad]

Still have no idea how Shane Wright dropped so hard in the space of one single year. From a 100% first overall pick to 4th....

 

[HabbyGuy]

The rumors of them wanting to move up are because they don't want Michkov. Everyone knows who the first 4 picks are they just don't know the order.

So you're assuring me Michkov will be there at 5???

Because to me that's means we won one of the lotteries. And it would be stupid to refuse this incredible good fortune.

 

[waitin425]

This trading up talk is absolutely asinine at the cost Anaheim fans are demanding on the main board.

Why the f*** would be pay to move up from 5 to 2 and add any of the following, who may actually on their own be more valuable than Fantilli;

Former 1st overall pick with tremendous upside - Slaf
Former 3rd overall pick who is starting to play according to his draft pedigree - Dach
15th overall pick who is pretty much a top 5 in his redraft (in a strong draft class) - Caufield
Our Captain who is the youngest in our Franchise history - Suzuki
Hutson/Guhle who have our highest ceiling in a position of weakness

The gap between Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and Michkov is not to the level that we should have to part with one of the above assets. It's f***ing crazy talk and infuriating.

Especially when the talk is that Michkov could be there at 5, when IMO he is closer to Bedard than he is to the rest.

HuGo would have to be f***ing insane to do something like that. My guess is they asked the price, with their own comfort level being 5th plus a Beck or Roy or Kidney type add. Anaheim likely says no, but that doesn't mean we have to pay a premium.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This trading up talk is absolutely asinine at the cost Anaheim fans are demanding on the main board.

Why the f*** would be pay to move up from 5 to 2 and add any of the following, who may actually on their own be more valuable than Fantilli;

Former 1st overall pick with tremendous upside - Slaf
Former 3rd overall pick who is starting to play according to his draft pedigree - Dach
15th overall pick who is pretty much a top 5 in his redraft (in a strong draft class) - Caufield
Our Captain who is the youngest in our Franchise history - Suzuki
Hutson/Guhle who have our highest ceiling in a position of weakness

The gap between Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and Michkov is not to the level that we should have to part with one of the above assets. It's f***ing crazy talk and infuriating.

Especially when the talk is that Michkov could be there at 5, when IMO he is closer to Bedard than he is to the rest.

HuGo would have to be f***ing insane to do something like that. My guess is they asked the price, with their own comfort level being 5th plus a Beck or Roy or Kidney type add. Anaheim likely says no, but that doesn't mean we have to pay a premium.

Agreed. Hughes just inquired. Could have been a 10 min conversation and nothing to come from it. Fans will do what they do.

 

[HabbyGuy]

This trading up talk is absolutely asinine at the cost Anaheim fans are demanding on the main board.

Why the f*** would be pay to move up from 5 to 2 and add any of the following, who may actually on their own be more valuable than Fantilli;

Former 1st overall pick with tremendous upside - Slaf
Former 3rd overall pick who is starting to play according to his draft pedigree - Dach
15th overall pick who is pretty much a top 5 in his redraft (in a strong draft class) - Caufield
Our Captain who is the youngest in our Franchise history - Suzuki
Hutson/Guhle who have our highest ceiling in a position of weakness

The gap between Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and Michkov is not to the level that we should have to part with one of the above assets. It's f***ing crazy talk and infuriating.

Especially when the talk is that Michkov could be there at 5, when IMO he is closer to Bedard than he is to the rest.

HuGo would have to be f***ing insane to do something like that. My guess is they asked the price, with their own comfort level being 5th plus a Beck or Roy or Kidney type add. Anaheim likely says no, but that doesn't mean we have to pay a premium.

Yup. Apparently the top 4 picks are set in stone so Michkov is ours for the taking. It would be ridiculous to move from this enviable position, nevermind moving huge assets for the privilege to do so. The only reason I'm trading up is to assure myself of getting Michkov.

Because I can't see why anyone would take Smith before him and have massive doubt he'll be there at 5.

 

[waitin425]

Yup. Apparently the top 4 picks are set in stone so Michkov is ours for the taking. It would be ridiculous to move from this enviable position, nevermind moving huge assets for the privilege to do so. The only reason I'm trading up is to assure myself of getting Michkov.

Because I can't see why anyone would take Smith before him and have massive doubt he'll be there at 5.

I want Michkov more than anyone not named Bedard as well. Even assuming San Jose takes Michkov at 4 and we get Smith at 5, it is still a damn good consolation prize, and I am not trading any of those asset I listed above to make that switch.

 

[WeThreeKings]

So you're assuring me Michkov will be there at 5???

Because to me that's means we won one of the lotteries. And it would be stupid to refuse this incredible good fortune.

Not only will he be there at 5, he will be there at 7, and maybe even later than that.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I want Michkov more than anyone not named Bedard as well. Even assuming San Jose takes Michkov at 4 and we get Smith at 5, it is still a damn good consolation prize, and I am not trading any of those asset I listed above to make that switch.

I dunno how big a price we'd have to pay to move up to 4th, it surely won't be one of the pieces fans from other teams are asking for that's for sure. If San Jose is fine with Smith as you are it shouldn't be too difficult. I'd take Michkov over Smith every single time.

Not only will he be there at 5, he will be there at 7, and maybe even later than that.

If he's there at 5, he's not going any further. And if he does I'll have to start rethinking my views on this new front office. I think they're far too smart to pass. IMO they couldn't have an easier decision.

Every draft choice has inherit risk attached to it, but very few have the upside of a player like Michkov, especially in the 5th spot of a draft.

 

[Beer and Chips]

interesting that hughes is trying to get into the top four to draft a C.
If this happens, he's either trading Dach for Dubois, or he's given up
the idea of trading for him altogether

That isn't a ridiculous conclusion if they feel Suzuki/Dach isn't good enough.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I dunno how big a price we'd have to pay to move up to 4th, it surely won't be one of the pieces fans from other teams are asking for that's for sure. If San Jose is fine with Smith as you are it shouldn't be too difficult. I'd take Michkov over Smith every single time.


If he's there at 5, he's not going any further. And if he does I'll have to start rethinking my views on this new front office. I think they're far too smart to pass. IMO they couldn't have an easier decision.

Every draft choice has inherit risk attached to it, but very few have the upside of a player like Michkov, especially in the 5th spot of a draft.

And if he falls further, is it the staff or is there more risk to the player and the situation than you've accounted for?

 

[HabbyGuy]

And if he falls further, is it the staff or is there more risk to the player and the situation than you've accounted for?

And if he doesn't? Will you all of a sudden feel differently about your position? No matter who you choose in any draft there's a possibilty it won't work. But to pass on this "talent" due to unforseen circumstances not yet materialised seems silly to me.

He is from a talent perspective at the top of this draft with Bedard.

Why are any of the other choices perceived as better?

Why would any GM sleep better with any choice not name Bedard over Michkov? I seriously want to know.

 

[morhilane]

Still have no idea how Shane Wright dropped so hard in the spce of one single year. From a 100% first overall pick to 4th....

NHL scouts were not impressed by Wright's play in the O in his draft year (lack of engagement and improvements in his game). His playoffs were the nails the coffin.

The same thing seem to be happening with Michkov this year since we are starting to hear about scouts saying part of his game stagnated at the same point in time (aka when they start to review their years-to-years prospect data).

 

[sampollock]

how hard is Kent trying to move to 2nd pick

690 is talking about this , go Kent.... how much to give? would Slaf be part of the give up?

 

[waitin425]

how hard is Kent trying to move to 2nd pick

690 is talking about this , go Kent.... how much to give? would Slaf be part of the give up?

 

[Deleted member 257557]

I dunno how big a price we'd have to pay to move up to 4th, it surely won't be one of the pieces fans from other teams are asking for that's for sure. If San Jose is fine with Smith as you are it shouldn't be too difficult. I'd take Michkov over Smith every single time.


If he's there at 5, he's not going any further. And if he does I'll have to start rethinking my views on this new front office. I think they're far too smart to pass. IMO they couldn't have an easier decision.

Every draft choice has inherit risk attached to it, but very few have the upside of a player like Michkov, especially in the 5th spot of a draft.

If 2nd best plater overall is available at 5, hab management is at least as smart/dumb as teams picking 2-3-4 and who knows how many more, no?

I think you are having trouble computing the reasons he may slip because the reasons FOR are hockey stats/skills and the reasons AGAINST are factors like contract duration and political climate - you can’t multiply or divide these things. They are unrelated. It’s like asking “why are we having vegetables for dinner” and getting “because hockey is on tv” back as an answer, you’ll never find peace lol

 

[HomaridII]

how hard is Kent trying to move to 2nd pick

690 is talking about this , go Kent.... how much to give? would Slaf be part of the give up?

In 2020 The Athletic did a study based on 15 seasons worth of Data and created a draft pick value chart based on the games played, points etc.. of each pick #.

The no.2 has a value of 12.3, the no.5 has a value of 8.2, the no.31 has a value of 2.8, the 27th a value of 2.3

So going by these values theoretically it would be something like 5th + 31st + 37 for 2nd. This will go up in a year like this year with higher end prospects but to give you an idea.

 

[HuGort]

Are you at the combine?

No, it was a Habs podcast from combine. I turned it on last night when I went to bed, fell asleep half way through. I Listen second half tonight

 

[HabbyGuy]

If 2nd best plater overall is available at 5, hab management is at least as smart/dumb as teams picking 2-3-4 and who knows how many more, no?

I think you are having trouble computing the reasons he may slip because the reasons FOR are hockey stats/skills and the reasons AGAINST are factors like contract duration and political climate - you can’t multiply or divide these things. They are unrelated. It’s like asking “why are we having vegetables for dinner” and getting “because hockey is on tv” back as an answer, you’ll never find peace lol

No. I can actually see why Anaheim would take Fantilli or even Columbus taking Carlsson due to positional need and the perceived 'safety' of the choice. What I can't see is San Jose choosing Smith over him and if they do that means he would only have dropped one spot.

His contract is a non factor in my eyes and I'm not concerned about it one bit.

 

[Milhouse40]

And if he doesn't? Will you all of a sudden feel differently about your position? No matter who you choose in any draft there's a possibilty it won't work. But to pass on this "talent" due to unforseen circumstances not yet materialised seems silly to me.

He is from a talent perspective at the top of this draft with Bedard.

Why are any of the other choices perceived as better?

And Anaheim will pass
And Columbus will pass
And San Jose will pass

How can they pass on the best talent in this draft not named Bedard?
All stupid management?

In the same article yesterday that started this talk about moving up in the draft, it was also mentioned that they will not pick Michkov.

 

[HabbyGuy]

And Anaheim will pass
And Columbus will pass
And San Jose will pass

How can they pass on the best talent in this draft not named Bedard?
All stupid management?

In the same article yesterday that started this talk about moving up in the draft, it was also mentioned that they will not pick Michkov.

See above.

 

[WinterLion]

And if he doesn't? Will you all of a sudden feel differently about your position? No matter who you choose in any draft there's a possibilty it won't work. But to pass on this "talent" due to unforseen circumstances not yet materialised seems silly to me.

He is from a talent perspective at the top of this draft with Bedard.

Why are any of the other choices perceived as better?

Why would any GM sleep better with any choice not name Bedard over Michkov? I seriously want to know.

Yes I will definitely change my views about Michkov depending on where he ends up getting drafted. Nobody can claim they have a really solid understanding of this player right now one way or the other. The thing I like most about the draft is that you finally get a glimpse into what the real professional scouts think about certain players... and the whole Michkov/Russian thing is really intriguing. It will make the draft really fun.