Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Sign Cayden Primeau to 3-Year ELC Starting in 2019-2020 (Will Join Laval on a PTO)

[jaffy27]

Why make up 14 goals? Where did you invent that?

25 more for is a net increase of 9. Do you accept that, or is this point arguable?

Again, please quote why you continue to proceed on the assumption of it being one player? You are doubling down in this now.

Explain specifically why the 25 goals must be attained by the top 6 exclusively, and why an increase in goals from the D and bottom 6 would not be equally effective. Are you suggesting that goals scored by the top 6 are somehow different.

In our example, the one goalie let in 14 more goals, you wanna replace the better goalie with the marginal goalie (see Leafs when imagining this) and get 25 more goals from other players.....how da f*** you getting 25 extra goals, where are these players?? How you getting them and at what cost, how much do they cost and can you count on them scoring you 25 extra??

Everything is just out of thin air.....you leave me to assume things cause you’re not backing your arguments with factual examples of probable scenarios.

I’m so done with this lol.....movie time with the GF......

 

[Tighthead]

In our example, the one goalie let in 14 more goals, you wanna replace the better goalie with the marginal goalie (see Leafs when imagining this) and get 25 more goals from other players.....how da **** you getting 25 extra goals, where are these players?? How you getting them and at what cost, how much do they cost and can you count on them scoring you 25 extra??

Everything is just out of thin air.....you leave me to assume things cause you’re not backing your arguments with factual examples of probable scenarios.

I’m so done with this lol.....movie time with the GF......

Hilarious. It’s an abstract discussion about optimal cap allocation and you run and hide because you need specific players. Somehow imagining spending $8 million or so on upgrades is beyond reason.

I’m not sure why upgrading players is such an impossibility. You would either retain quality players you have let go, or trade for them, or sign them. That’s where players come from. I’m not sure why this is seen as too abstract to fathom.

You made up your massive assumption all on your own, even after I called you on it twice. Don’t blame me.

Explain, with quotes, how I forced you to assume that they must be top 6 players. Also explain why this assumption is in any way credible.

 

[SakuKoivu11]

I really hope this kid can be Price’s replacement down the road but with $10.5 million on the books for 7 more years, Primeau will be 27 when Price retires. We could be developing a really good goalie for another team which is a shame.

He Has been compared to Cory Schneider so by that time Price will be like Luongo and we will have goaltending controversy.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

This is what I thought they would do with Poehling, but I guess he and his agent really wanted to burn that first year, which is kind of stupid.

Welcome to Montreal, Primeau!

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Great news!! This means Lindgren gets number 2 next year with the big club and Primeau starts in Laval unless they sign a UFA goalie for number 2. They can then trade Lindgren for assets.

 

[Adam Michaels]

This is what I thought they would do with Poehling, but I guess he and his agent really wanted to burn that first year, which is kind of stupid.

Welcome to Montreal, Primeau!

The reason why Poehling burns a year off now and Primeau's kicks in next year could be the age of the signing. Poehling is age 20 and Primeau, age 19.

 

[BaseballCoach]

The reason why Poehling burns a year off now and Primeau's kicks in next year could be the age of the signing. Poehling is age 20 and Primeau, age 19.

Primeau is also considered 20 for ELC purposes. But his contract only starts next season, Poehling's starts now.

 

[Michelangelo]

This is what I thought they would do with Poehling, but I guess he and his agent really wanted to burn that first year, which is kind of stupid.

Welcome to Montreal, Primeau!

How is that stupid? It's in his best interest to do so, as it's not hard to believe he will command a larger contract then the 925k annual base salary + performance bonuses afterwards

 

[26Mats]

Great news!! This means Lindgren gets number 2 next year with the big club and Primeau starts in Laval unless they sign a UFA goalie for number 2. They can then trade Lindgren for assets.

I always saw Lindgren as a player that wouldn't play a big role for us but could potentially get us a 2nd round pick.

His value isn't anywhere close to that now.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Great news!! This means Lindgren gets number 2 next year with the big club and Primeau starts in Laval unless they sign a UFA goalie for number 2. They can then trade Lindgren for assets.

We won't get much in assets for Lindgren. I'm thinking we could get a B prospect, a late pick, or an overpaid NHL marginal player. Or we keep him, and see him possibly lost to waivers. His 1-way status might be what discourages some clubs from grabbing him, though.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Primeau is also considered 20 for ELC purposes. But his contract only starts next season, Poehling's starts now.

Yes. But I'm talking about the day of the contract's signing.

 

[Tighthead]

Primeau is also considered 20 for ELC purposes. But his contract only starts next season, Poehling's starts now.

Does Primeau have less leverage as a sophomore?

 

[TheGoalJudge]

Or another way you can look at it is 14 more goals, my guess is that’s 3 to 4 extra losses, ooppps, we no more in a playoff hunt........and then there’s the way the team plays in front of Price vs a .910 goalie

Congrats, you can be an NHL GM.

 

[thegoalie39]

Why ? He’s here for at least 5 years. In 5 years, Suzuki Poehling Ylonen Romanov Brook Fleury with KK Domi Mete Drouin (or the asset we got for him ) Lehkonen will be in there prime and Gally Weber will probably be still here. I think we could compete for a Cup there. I know there alote of ?? And some prospect in that goupe will bust but we never know and don’t forget that we have alote of capspace

Weber in 5 years ....Yikes

 

[thegoalie39]

I think Price has accepted his chance at a Cup is extremely low playing here. But out of all the great goaltenders who’ve played in our organization, how many can say they played here almost two decades here and survived. I think that’s his biggest motivation. Price isn’t going anywhere unless something severe happens.

If this team continues to miss the playoffs....Price might ask for a trade or agree to waive his NMC to go to Seattle in the expansion draft....his wife is from Washington state and Carey played his junior hockey there.

 

[OnTheRun]

Sucks that we are developing what looks like league average goaltending behind Price while paying Price $10.5M.

Over 2000 shots, Price's save % of .917 would save 14 more shots than a goalie that posts a .910. But we could be paying league minimum for the .910 and put $10.5M somewhere else.

14 shots.

I don't know if there is a bigger disconnect in sports economics than NHL goalie valuations.

The thing is, your hypothetical is way off from the actual reality.

In the last 7 years only 27 goalies managed to sustain a SV% equal or better to 0.915 over 1700 shots or more.
Even with the most basic oversimplification we can conjure: 30 teams with one starters for the first 5 years and 31 teams with one starter in the last 2 years, you end up with a success rate of 22%

Anyway here is the list with how many time they managed to pull it off:
Vasilevsky (1)
Varlamov (2)
Cam Talbot (1)
Mike Smith (1)
Schneider (1)
Rinne (3)
Rask (2)
Quick (3)
Price (4)
Ryan Miller (1)
Steve Mason (1)
Luongo (2)
Lundqvist (3)
Kari Lethonen (1)
Martin Jones (1)
Holtby (2)
Hellebuyck (1)
Gibson (2)
Fleury (2)
Dubnyk (3)
Crawford (1)
Bobrovsky (2)
Bishop (1)
Bernier (1)
Craig Anderson (1)
Frederik Andersen (3)

Not a whole lot of league minimum goalies on that list. (There is none actually, and I'm just being a smartass.)

 

[HabsTown]

Sucks that we are developing what looks like league average goaltending behind Price while paying Price $10.5M.

Over 2000 shots, Price's save % of .917 would save 14 more shots than a goalie that posts a .910. But we could be paying league minimum for the .910 and put $10.5M somewhere else.

14 shots.

I don't know if there is a bigger disconnect in sports economics than NHL goalie valuations.

And yet, we have 9M in cap space. Price’s contract is a non-factor for the next few years but his play on the ice IS a factor (a good one at that).

 

[TheGoalJudge]

The thing is, your hypothetical is way off from the actual reality.

In the last 7 years only 27 goalies managed to sustain a SV% equal or better to 0.915 over 1700 shots or more.
Even with the most basic oversimplification we can conjure: 30 teams with one starters for the first 5 years and 31 teams with one starter in the last 2 years, you end up with a success rate of 22%

Anyway here is the list with how many time they managed to pull it off:
Vasilevsky (1)
Varlamov (2)
Cam Talbot (1)
Mike Smith (1)
Schneider (1)
Rinne (3)
Rask (2)
Quick (3)
Price (4)
Ryan Miller (1)
Steve Mason (1)
Luongo (2)
Lundqvist (3)
Kari Lethonen (1)
Martin Jones (1)
Holtby (2)
Hellebuyck (1)
Gibson (2)
Fleury (2)
Dubnyk (3)
Crawford (1)
Bobrovsky (2)
Bishop (1)
Bernier (1)
Craig Anderson (1)
Frederik Andersen (3)

Not a whole lot of league minimum goalies on that list. (There is none actually, and I'm just being a smartass.)

Can you do this for .910 and not .915?

 

[OnTheRun]

Can you do this for .910 and not .915?

Sure, you get 30 goalies instead of 27 (so, 14% hit the mark).

New to the list:
Jimmy Howard (1)
Antti Niemi (2)
Jacob Markstrom (2)

The number of time the previously mentioned goalies did it change as well... but I'm lazy.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Does Primeau have less leverage as a sophomore?

Yes, but more so that he is a late round pick, not a first rounder. Also Centers rank higher than goalie prospects.

 

[BaseballCoach]

The reason why Poehling burns a year off now and Primeau's kicks in next year could be the age of the signing. Poehling is age 20 and Primeau, age 19.

Primeau is also considered 20 for ELC purposes. But his contract only starts next season, Poehling's starts now.

Yes. But I'm talking about the day of the contract's signing.

But that is not the point. Had Poehling's contract started next season, then this season would not count either. The club and Poehling mutually decided to start the contract this season and that is the difference between the two cases.

 

[Tighthead]

Yes, but more so that he is a late round pick, not a first rounder. Also Centers rank higher than goalie prospects.

But he has two years until FA, and Poehling only one I assume.

 

[Andrei79]

Very happy with this signing. Its nice having interesting prospects for once.

 

[BaseballCoach]

But he has two years until FA, and Poehling only one I assume.

Correct but that is not what gave Poehling more leverage. What gave Poehling more leverage was that losing a 1st rounder with his potential would be more painful than losing a 7th round goalie prospect, even if he is overachieving.

If the Habs did not give in to a hypothetical Primeau demand for a 2018-19 contract, Primeau and his agent would not be as certain that they could get a good deal from another team eventually as Poehling would.

 

[HuGort]

His ELC kicks in next season and will join Laval the rest of this year on a PTO.

Time to sign these guys and start looking at our future. Hope he turns out better than Fucale, Lindgren or McNiven. Other goalies we have sent to the A, only not to develop