Canadiens made big offer for Lindros at draft.

[HuGort]

Posted in another thread but thought deserve its own thread.

Doug MacLean, former GM, coach, has good book out on the draft. A few tidbits among his 30 years involved with the draft.

At Lindros draft, Montreal pushed hard to get Nordiques pick. Savard offered Guy Carbonnesu, Patrick Roy, Eric Desjardins, among lesser names for Lindros. Serge was really upset at Patrick at the time. He was trying hard to make the deal. Pierre Page kept notes on every transaction. He made them available to MacLean for his book. Aubut told Dave Chambers to lose games to ensure Nordiques got the first pick. Aubut was why Lindros wouldn't go to Quebec City. Page bought in Guy Lafleur to try and talk Lindros into signing there. After a meeting, Lafleur said trade him, he's not coming here.

Calgary made a big offer for Lindros also. Cliff Fletcher had second thoughts and pulled the offer next day. It included Gilmour and a bunch of others.

MacLean went to '05 draft thinking he would end up with Kopitar. Montreal surprised the Dickens out of everybody by taking Carey Price. He thought for sure they would take Brule. With Brule still on board he changed his mind and took him.

At 1990 Draft, MacLean then a scout for Detroit. Much debate among the Wings to take Jagr. They took Primeau third overall. Many years later after Wings win several cups, he was talking with Wings GM. Said imagine if we had taken Jagr?

MacLean said at '15 Draft, Jets were trying hard to move up to draft Lawson Crouse. Nobody would trade down. They wound up taking Kyle Connor at 17. Sometimes the trades you don't make are your best. That was draft Boston had three picks in a row, 15-17th. None mounted to much. The next three picks were Connor, Barzal, Chabot. Ouch!

Chapter on analytics interesting also.

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[alko]

I cant see the attachments.

 

[Justin11]

Good thing that trade never went down.
Habs don’t win the cup in 93’ without Saint Patrick.

 

[ReHabs]

Savard offered Guy Carbonnesu, Patrick Roy, Eric Desjardins, among lesser names for Lindros. Serge was really upset at Patrick at the time.

That's an absolutely bonkers trade offer. Carbo and Roy were very good players in '91 even if Guy had a poor 90-91 season. Absolutely bonkers. They were in the Cup Finals in '89!

 

[salbutera]

Good thing that trade never went down.
Habs don’t win the cup in 93’ without Saint Patrick.

St Patrick was traded a few months after Lindros draft anyway

 

[26Mats]

Posted in another thread but thought deserve its own thread.

Doug MacLean, former GM, coach, has good book out on the draft. A few tidbits among his 30 years involved with the draft.

At Lindros draft, Montreal pushed hard to get Nordiques pick. Savard offered Guy Carbonnesu, Patrick Roy, Eric Desjardins, among lesser names for Lindros. Serge was really upset at Patrick at the time. He was trying hard to make the deal. Pierre Page kept notes on every transaction. He made them available to MacLean for his book. Aubut told Dave Chambers to lose games to ensure Nordiques got the first pick. Aubut was why Lindros wouldn't go to Quebec City. Page bought in Guy Lafleur to try and talk Lindros into signing there. After a meeting, Lafleur said trade him, he's not coming here.

Calgary made a big offer for Lindros also. Cliff Fletcher had second thoughts and pulled the offer next day. It included Gilmour and a bunch of others.

MacLean went to '05 draft thinking he would end up with Kopitar. Montreal surprised the Dickens out of everybody by taking Carey Price. He thought for sure they would take Brule. With Brule still on board he changed his mind and took him.

At 1990 Draft, MacLean then a scout for Detroit. Much debate among the Wings to take Jagr. They took Primeau third overall. Many years later after Wings win several cups, he was talking with Wings GM. Said imagine if we had taken Jagr?

MacLean said at '15 Draft, Jets were trying hard to move up to draft Lawson Crouse. Nobody would trade down. They wound up taking Kyle Connor at 17. Sometimes the trades you don't make are your best. That was draft Boston had three picks in a row, 15-17th. None mounted to much. The next three picks were Connor, Barzal, Chabot. Ouch!

Chapter on analytics interesting also.

Great post!

Why was Savard so mad at Patrick that early on?

 

[Justin11]

St Patrick was traded a few months after Lindros draft anyway

You mean traded a few years later, right?

 

[BLONG7]

Great post!

Why was Savard so mad at Patrick that early on?

Patrick was becoming an ego maniac.....LOL

 

[26Mats]

Patrick was becoming an ego maniac.....LOL

Yeah, I figured that. But was interested to know more about what issues came up.

Did Gervais talk much about Roy in his book?

 

[BLONG7]

Yeah, I figured that. But was interested to know more about what issues came up.

Did Gervais talk much about Roy in his book?

Not sure.................imagine if the trade goes down, we would have had Lindros and Leclair and not the flyers...Two HOF fame players........history would be very different eh.....

It seems the Habs and Roy were not getting along, and it only got worse when Tremblay became the coach FFS....

 

[26Mats]

Not sure.................imagine if the trade goes down, we would have had Lindros and Leclair and not the flyers...Two HOF fame players........history would be very different eh.....

It seems the Habs and Roy were not getting along, and it only got worse when Tremblay became the coach FFS....

Yeah I always thought of Tremblay as the bad guy in their dual, because Roy was a great goalie and I don't think of Tremblay as a great coach. But Tremblay probably was dealing with some Roy-egomaniac behavior, and doing the best he could, with his limited abilities as a coach.

 

[ReHabs]

Who cares if Roy was becoming an ego-maniac? On the Habs organization is arrogant enough to think it doesn't need superstar players. If nothing else changes I hope Gorton and Hughes implement a more appropriate organizational culture. One that embraces the benefits of stars and superstar players.

I worshipped Carbonneau growing up, I didn't worship whatever bozo coach we had or bozo GM we had.

 

[26Mats]

Who cares if Roy was becoming an ego-maniac? On the Habs organization is arrogant enough to think it doesn't need superstar players. If nothing else changes I hope Gorton and Hughes implement a more appropriate organizational culture. One that embraces the benefits of stars and superstar players.

I worshipped Carbonneau growing up, I didn't worship whatever bozo coach we had or bozo GM we had.

Yeah, one of the Houle-Tremblay's weaknesses was their ability to deal with superstars. Both Roy and Turgeon ended up asking out because their egos were hurt. Houle seems like a very genuine and good person though.

 

[Habs Icing]

Yeah I always thought of Tremblay as the bad guy in their dual, because Roy was a great goalie and I don't think of Tremblay as a great coach. But Tremblay probably was dealing with some Roy-egomaniac behavior, and doing the best he could, with his limited abilities as a coach.

I've been saying this since the Roy trade. I never blamed Mario. I always held it against Roy. But I wouldn't use this story about Savard as vindication. Not because I don't think it's true but because Savard is also the one who made that ridiculous Recchi trade and shipped out Chelios for a Denis Savard who was a shadow of his former self.

 

[BLONG7]

Who cares if Roy was becoming an ego-maniac? On the Habs organization is arrogant enough to think it doesn't need superstar players. If nothing else changes I hope Gorton and Hughes implement a more appropriate organizational culture. One that embraces the benefits of stars and superstar players.

I worshipped Carbonneau growing up, I didn't worship whatever bozo coach we had or bozo GM we had.

Habs organization back in the day always wanted their stars to behave like Mr Belliveau, and we all know there was only ONE Mr Belliveau.

As for today, we all are seeing somewhat of the current organization making changes to a once ego maniac GM in Bergevin....

I've been saying this since the Roy trade. I never blamed Mario. I always held it against Roy. But I wouldn't use this story about Savard as vindication. Not because I don't think it's true but because Savard is also the one who made that ridiculous Recchi trade and shipped out Chelios for a Denis Savard who was a shadow of his former self.

Ronald Corey drove Chelios out of town............personal reasons, remember? Nasty stuff....

 

[dinodebino]

I've been saying this since the Roy trade. I never blamed Mario. I always held it against Roy. But I wouldn't use this story about Savard as vindication. Not because I don't think it's true but because Savard is also the one who made that ridiculous Recchi trade and shipped out Chelios for a Denis Savard who was a shadow of his former self.

That trade was forced upon by the prez (Chelios).

 

[Habs Icing]

Ronald Corey drove Chelios out of town............personal reasons, remember? Nasty stuff....

Actually, Savard debunked that myth on TSN. He said Corey had nothing to do with the Chelios trade. It was his decision. He was told by the team doctors that Chelios knee would not hold up much longer and to unload him as soon as possible. So he did.

 

[26Mats]

I've been saying this since the Roy trade. I never blamed Mario. I always held it against Roy. But I wouldn't use this story about Savard as vindication. Not because I don't think it's true but because Savard is also the one who made that ridiculous Recchi trade and shipped out Chelios for a Denis Savard who was a shadow of his former self.

Savard won 2 cups though. Not bad. He drafted those players, plus was he the one who drafted Fetisov and Tretiak before they were allowed to come over? And I think the Muller and Schneider for Malakhov and Pierre Turgeon was a good trade. Plus Kordic for Russ Courtnall, and then courtnall for bellows, bringing in damphousse for Shayne Corson. A lot of good moves and drafting to win those cups.

 

[BLONG7]

Actually, Savard debunked that myth on TSN. He said Corey had nothing to do with the Chelios trade. It was his decision. He was told by the team doctors that Chelios knee would not hold up much longer and to unload him as soon as possible. So he did.

Interesting, nice recovery from a nasty personal behind the scenes issue.....
I guess we will all believe what we think happened.......trading a star Dman for over the hill franco star well beyond his best days...........
Just think about Corey and his meddling in the team..............rinse and repeat.

Glad the donkey is far removed from the Habs.......Corey set them back 20 years.
George Gillette made the habs semi relevant again.

Edit..............Chelios played 21 MORE seasons, after playing for the Habs..........no one thinks the habs doctors told Savard he was almost done with physical limitations......
Yes, 21 more seasons and a hall of fame career. One of many horrible trades the habs made over the years.

 

[26Mats]

Actually, Savard debunked that myth on TSN. He said Corey had nothing to do with the Chelios trade. It was his decision. He was told by the team doctors that Chelios knee would not hold up much longer and to unload him as soon as possible. So he did.

Mulder's advice?

 

[Habs Icing]

Savard won 2 cups though. Not bad. He drafted those players, plus was he the one who drafted Fetisov and Tretiak before they were allowed to come over? And I think the Muller and Schneider for Malakhov and Pierre Turgeon was a good trade. Plus Kordic for Russ Courtnall, and then courtnall for bellows, bringing in damphousse for Shayne Corson. A lot of good moves and drafting to win those cups.

Don't get me wrong. I think Serge was the last decent GM we had but he was flawed. On side note, at the time I agreed with Savard trading Chelios dor DEnis. Actually, I was ecstatic. Chelios bothered me and I adored Denis Savard. I've learned my lesson since that trade. If I agree with a GM's trade then there must be something wrong with it

 

[Habs Icing]

Mulder's advice?

Doctors is plural but I guess Mulder was in on it. Savard didn't mention the names of the doctors.

 

[Gustave]

Savard was a good GM, and not afraid of those huge blockbusters. He failed on two of them (Chelios btw EVERYONE wanted him out and Recchi) but I respect that he went for it. Every year was a year where he wanted the cup.

Getting Lindros would've guaranteed a decade of success here. I love that he tried, even it it involved Roy.

 

[26Mats]

Doctors is plural but I guess Mulder was in on it. Savard didn't mention the names of the doctors.

I mean if he was also head at the time, it was under his watch

Don't get me wrong. I think Serge was the last decent GM we had but he was flawed. On side note, at the time I agreed with Savard trading Chelios dor DEnis. Actually, I was ecstatic. Chelios bothered me and I adored Denis Savard. I've learned my lesson since that trade. If I agree with a GM's trade then there must be something wrong with it

I'm hoping this happens to me when it comes to Michkov. Really glad we drafted Guhle over hyped up offensive Hendrix Lapierre.

 

[salbutera]

Habs organization back in the day always wanted their stars to behave like Mr Belliveau, and we all know there was only ONE Mr Belliveau.

As for today, we all are seeing somewhat of the current organization making changes to a once ego maniac GM in Bergevin....


Ronald Corey drove Chelios out of town............personal reasons, remember? Nasty stuff....

Actually not according to Savard who on Melnick’s show said emphatically, the org thought Chelios’ knee was done and they scrambled to salvage something in a deal, but the public urinating arrest at University of Wisconsin with Gary Suter was the last straw