Can the Isles toll TT's contract?

[Hockey Team]

I did a quick google. The first 2 relevant articles:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/21946/tim-thomas-trade-wont-cost-islanders
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tolling-tim-thomas-fighting-rises-192700908--nhl.html

The first one discusses the trade as if tolling is absolutely an option, even going as far as saying the 2nd round conditional extends if the islanders elect to toll.

The second one discusses the fact that the cap hit will NOT be tolled. It doesn't say anything about not being able to toll, just not being able to toll the cap hit (assuming thomas doesn't play, obviously if he plays the cap hit counts). It even says that Thomas will owe the isles the last year of the contract if he resumes play next season, and the isles have the right to decline that option.

So based on 2 relatively reliable sources, they seem to think that the contract is tollable.

 

[ichabod13]

"If a player refuses to report and makes it known to the world that he won't report this season, and his contract is subsequently traded, the new team loses their right to toll the contract"

I don't really see that as being a clause in the CBA...

there is no need for that to be a clause in the CBA. it should just be common ****ing sence....you dont trade for a player that said three months earlier that he will take this ( his last contractual season ) year off and expect the league to help you out when the player does exactly what he said he would do.

 

[ichabod13]

are you really using ESPN and YAHOO quotes? man, they are two sites that really know hockey.........

 

[Hockey Team]

there is no need for that to be a clause in the CBA. it should just be common ****ing sence....you dont trade for a player that said three months earlier that he will take this ( his last contractual season ) year off and expect the league to help you out when the player does exactly what he said he would do.

Um, this statement makes me inclined to not believe anything you say regarding contract law. For a document as detailed as the CBA, they don't leave things out because it's "common sense." Do you have any idea how much of the CBA is used to describe in great detail things that are "common sense"?

What if the isles are making the trade for the intent of tolling the contract? That really doesn't seem that far fetched. "We'll trade for thomas and see if he plays next season and if he does we'll have him locked up for next season." That seems like perfectly sound logic. That logic obviously doesn't apply here, but it could be a very good reason for a team to trade for him.

are you really using ESPN and YAHOO quotes? man, they are two sites that really know hockey.........

Yes, because I don't see anything that contradicts what they're saying.

Could you please provide some kind of evidence that says the isles cannot toll thomas, or stop trying to make that argument if the only thing you have backing it is "common sense."

 

[ichabod13]

Could you please provide some kind of evidence that says the isles cannot toll thomas, or stop trying to make that argument if the only thing you have backing it is "common sense."

bill daly, already wrote that it is "unlikly the league will allow the contract too be tolled?" newsday...new york post....i dont remember where it was. ask crew, hes good at finding that kind of ****.
how in gods name can you trade for a player that made it very clear that was not going play this year (as his contract expired ) and then demand that he play for you next year?

 

[ichabod13]

Um, this statement makes me inclined to not believe anything you say regarding contract law."

no, i dont know "contract law"......if i did, id be a long tailed, gutter crawling , sewage eating rodent......just like the rest of lawyers.

 

[Hockey Team]

bill daly, already wrote that it is "unlikly the league will allow the contract too be tolled?" newsday...new york post....i dont remember where it was. ask crew, hes good at finding that kind of ****.
how in gods name can you trade for a player that made it very clear that was not going play this year (as his contract expired ) and then demand that he play for you next year?

Simple, because the contract comes with the right to toll it.

Why in the hell would that right disappear when the contract is traded?

And btw, all I could find is something along the lines of "the islanders are unlikely to toll thomas," and "the league will not allow the cap hit to be tolled." Nothing about the isles losing the right to toll thomas.

 

[Hockey Team]

no, i dont know "contract law"......if i did, id be a long tailed, gutter crawling , sewage eating rodent......just like the rest of lawyers.

Well I do know a few things about contract law, and unless the CBA explicitly states that the new team loses the right to toll under certain circumstances, that right suddenly disappearing doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[Hockey Team]

All right, this is a pointless debate if you're not going to provide any facts.

Does anyone who actually knows the CBA fairly well have anything to say?

 

[ichabod13]

you're not going to provide any facts./QUOTE]
the so-called facts are....
garth traded for a player that everybody and their cousin knew was not going to play this year.
and hits free agency after this season. ( no longer under contract )
garth knew what kind of deal was making when he did it.

why should the league --toll the contract-- to help garth?

 

[CREW99AW]

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday
#Isles are unlikely to toll Thomas' contract at this point. Want flexibility going into offseason with buyouts, etc.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...Thomas-fighting-rises-and-sacred-goalies.html
I asked deputy commissioner Bill Daly whether the Islanders could carry Thomas’s cap hit into subsequent seasons.

“It’s a fair question,” Daly told thn.com via email. “I don’t believe we would carry the cap charge past this year.”

 

[Hockey Team]

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday
#Isles are unlikely to toll Thomas' contract at this point. Want flexibility going into offseason with buyouts, etc.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...Thomas-fighting-rises-and-sacred-goalies.html
I asked deputy commissioner Bill Daly whether the Islanders could carry Thomas’s cap hit into subsequent seasons.

“It’s a fair question,†Daly told thn.com via email. “I don’t believe we would carry the cap charge past this year.â€

It sounds like they are allowed to toll, but won't get the cap hit unless thomas reports and they pay him.

Otherwise they would be saying things like "Isles can't toll thomas" not that the isles are unlikely to do it. Daly wouldn't be saying they wouldn't receive the cap hit, he would be saying they're unable to toll the contract.

 

[The Underboss]

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday
#Isles are unlikely to toll Thomas' contract at this point. Want flexibility going into offseason with buyouts, etc.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...Thomas-fighting-rises-and-sacred-goalies.html
I asked deputy commissioner Bill Daly whether the Islanders could carry Thomas’s cap hit into subsequent seasons.

“It’s a fair question,†Daly told thn.com via email. “I don’t believe we would carry the cap charge past this year.â€

Thanks for posting that. I thought I remembered somewhere Garth saying they weren't tolling it.

 

[Hockey Team]

Thanks for posting that. I thought I remembered somewhere Garth saying they weren't tolling it.

The reason stated makes no sense though.

The isles have TONS of flexibility in the offseason. It's not like a salary cap team worrying about whether or not thomas is going to show up, and having to leave cap space for him in case he does.

 

[CREW99AW]

The reason stated makes no sense though.

The isles have TONS of flexibility in the offseason. It's not like a salary cap team worrying about whether or not thomas is going to show up, and having to leave cap space for him in case he does.

Snow said he acquired Thomas to have cap flexibility and make sure the team is cap compliant all season.

When TT told the Boston press he was not playing this season, he went on to say he wanted to play in the 2014 Olympics.He's 38/39 now. For him to make Team USA, he'll need to play somewhere in the NHL next season, so he can impress Team USA execs.

Maybe Snow is refusing to toll TT contract because A) he'd rather go with Nabby/Poulin next season and B) he does not want to give up a 2nd rounder for one season of TT.