Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Well said, but another huge wrinkle that people miss in applying Hall-Larsson is contract status.
If any "benchmark" was set with Hall-Larsson it was that of the mid twenties top line winger with decent contract 4/4+ years to UFA for the mid-twenties 2/3 RHD with decent contract 4/4+ years to UFA
The connection from the above to "the going rate for a top 4D is a borderline 1stline winger still on their ELC with 1C potential" look at at Hall-Larsson, is a massive unsupported stretch
I think folks are presuming that Nylander is mostly playing wing now, therefore He's A Winger And Always Will Be, And Oh Yeah He Could Still Bust Away From Matthews So Clearly He's Worth Even Less and similar comedy.
No folks. It doesn't work that way.
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If you want a true number one guy, one of Matthews, Marner, or Nylander need to move, and that is assuming a number one dman is actually available.
True, but I don't think they need to go that far.
And of those three, Nylander is the most movable. Marner's doing the whole "I can turn nothingness into highlight reel material" thing still and Matthews is Matthews. If Nylander gets traded, I'd expect some kind of high-profile young blueliner coming back. Not sure where from, tho; the most probable team I can think of is Carolina, and they've got young Cs that are looking good already. Maybe Anaheim if Getzlaf completely falls apart in short order (unlikely).
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JVR, with one year left on his contract, doesn't get you anything close to a top pairing defenseman with term. Even a signed JVR probably doesn't get you that.
True, but in that case I don't think the target would be a top-pairing guy. Someone who can stabilize lower pairings would be just as valuable in Toronto.
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Our salvation is in Vegas. They will have what we need and we will have what they need.
I don't think Vegas would have a top-pairing guy, but I do think that a Vegas-Leafs trade is both likely to happen and likely to be beneficial for both.
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What would you move for:
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Werenski?
Curious to see your proposal for each. Ignore cap hits and contracts.
Don't bother with a Werenski proposal. Nothing will be accepted. No, it's not a overpayment thing; I can go into the details if folks are really put out by it, but this is a Leafs thread.
Also, c'mon. "Ignore cap hits and contracts"? Trying to determine objective player value is already akin to that old physics test question canard of "frictionless, massless, in a rest state" and you want to get rid of even more?