Value of: Calgary Flames offer sheet Mathew Barzal

[viper0220]

This is just a hypothetical example, so please not get worked over it

Would the Islanders match the Flames if they offer sheeted Mathew Barzal $11.5 million or $12 million?

Now the Flames would have to clear out cap space and that is why it is hypothetical example.

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[ManwithNoIdentity]

Wrong prefix pal

 

[Nabrules]

After last summers offer sheet craze and subsequent lack of action, let’s be real, no ones getting offersheeted. Especially in this financial climate.

 

[viper0220]

Wrong prefix pal

I just noticed that, I don't know how to change it. Could a mod change it please.

It has been changed, thank you.

 

[viper0220]

After last summers offer sheet craze and subsequent lack of action, let’s be real, no ones getting offersheeted. Especially in this financial climate.

This is the perfect opportunity for the Flames, the New York Islanders owner may not to spend money in this financial situation and Flames have 4 owners who are rich, when combined together. Let's say they offer sheet at $12 million per for 7 years, that is $84 million in total, that is not a whole for lot 4 billionaires.

 

[Drake1588]

Under the new CBA extension, the salary cap is going to be flat for two years, and then undergo only a modest increase for the third. While only the Pens' situation seems to have leaked, it's probable that multiple teams will decide to ride out the leaner times without fans in 2021 (and respond to lost 2020 playoff revenue) by temporarily reducing payroll. How many teams will opt for that course remains to be seen, but a short round of belt tightening looks like the order of the day.

The pertinent question is not whether Team X matches an offer sheet, but rather would any Team Y tender one in the first place, especially in the superstar tier?

Who is eager to devote $11.5M a year to an offer sheet in these uncertain economic times (other than fans spending someone else's money, presumably)? Who wants to give up the benefits that accrue from using multiple good draft picks in a challenging and uncertain economy? Good players on ELCs are more valuable than ever.

The safe money would be that teams would want to give very large offer sheets, never exactly popular in optimal circumstances, a pass for a little while. They'll probably want to hoard their high draft picks. Shrug.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Under the new CBA extension, the salary cap is going to be flat for two years, and then undergo only a modest increase for the third. While only the Pens' situation seems to have leaked, it's probable that multiple teams will decide to ride out the leaner times without fans in 2021 (and respond to lost 2020 playoff revenue) by temporarily reducing payroll. How many teams will opt for that course remains to be seen, but a short round of belt tightening looks like the order of the day.

The pertinent question is not whether Team X matches an offer sheet, but rather would any Team Y tender one in the first place, especially in the superstar tier?

Who is eager to devote $11.5M a year to an offer sheet in these uncertain economic times (other than fans spending someone else's money, presumably)? Who wants to give up the benefits that accrue from using multiple good draft picks in a challenging and uncertain economy? Good players on ELCs are more valuable than ever.

The safe money would be that teams would want to give very large offer sheets, never exactly popular in optimal circumstances, a pass for a little while. They'll probably want to hoard their high draft picks. Shrug.

I agree with all this. I feel like guys like Kris Russell actually may have value. He has a 4 mill cap hit but once his bonus is paid out he is only owed 1.5 mill real dollars. Could have some value for team looking to save real dollars.

 

[Mickey Marner]

You'd be crazy to go that high. Either go 8.45 or 10.55 x 5.

 

[Jerkbait]

LOU has said he will match ANY offer

This is just a hypothetical example, so please not get worked over it

Would the Islanders match the Flames if they offer sheeted Mathew Barzal $11.5 million or $12 million?

Now the Flames would have to clear out cap space and that is why it is hypothetical example.

 

[egelband]

Under the new CBA extension, the salary cap is going to be flat for two years, and then undergo only a modest increase for the third. While only the Pens' situation seems to have leaked, it's probable that multiple teams will decide to ride out the leaner times without fans in 2021 (and respond to lost 2020 playoff revenue) by temporarily reducing payroll. How many teams will opt for that course remains to be seen, but a short round of belt tightening looks like the order of the day.

The pertinent question is not whether Team X matches an offer sheet, but rather would any Team Y tender one in the first place, especially in the superstar tier?

Who is eager to devote $11.5M a year to an offer sheet in these uncertain economic times (other than fans spending someone else's money, presumably)? Who wants to give up the benefits that accrue from using multiple good draft picks in a challenging and uncertain economy? Good players on ELCs are more valuable than ever.

The safe money would be that teams would want to give very large offer sheets, never exactly popular in optimal circumstances, a pass for a little while. They'll probably want to hoard their high draft picks. Shrug.

I bet some teams privately decide to even punt the next season or two. Cutting as much salary as possible.

 

[5cotland]

Imagine a team like the Avs offer sheeting Barzal.

With $22m they could afford a high offer and Isles would struggle to match as they only have like $8m in cap with Pulock and Toews to re-sign.

Barzal on Avs would be scary.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You'd be crazy to go that high. Either go 8.45 or 10.55 x 5.

$8.45 is what the Habs tried with Aho. Won't work with Barzal either. You can say you'd be crazy to go that high but with offer sheets, you have to. Flyers went real high with Weber back when and the Preds still matched.

Islanders have cap issues so look for them to move Leddy on draft day so they can head into free agency with cap space. Imagine if they don't move salary out on draft day and both Pulock and Barzal sign offer sheets? If it totals over $16.25M, that put them over the 10% extra on the cap during the off season. How does that work?

Same as the Lightning... They are in a more difficult position with 2 big guys to sign with less cap space than the Islanders.

 

[Habs Halifax]

LOU has said he will match ANY offer

Explain what happens in this situation... Cause I'm not sure.

- You are allowed to go over the cap by 10% right but no more?
- What if the Islanders can't clear cap space on draft day (before free agency)?
- What if someone signs Pulock for $7M and Barzal for $11M

That puts the Islanders over the 10% threshold and does it force them to only match one offer? How much time would they have to move out a guy like Leddy so they can match on both Pulock and Barzal and not be over 10%?. Doubt this happens but imagine... other GM's will say... Yeah, I'll take Leddy but I want a 1st. I think Lou moves salary out on draft day and does whatever it takes

Could happen with Tampa as well.

 

[topshelf15]

Need to make sure you have the capspace first....Going into this off season ,that is going to be a luxury..Lots of teams will be looking for cap room,and it may become expensive

 

[Djp]

This is the perfect opportunity for the Flames, the New York Islanders owner may not to spend money in this financial situation and Flames have 4 owners who are rich, when combined together. Let's say they offer sheet at $12 million per for 7 years, that is $84 million in total, that is not a whole for lot 4 billionaires.

Brzal is the 1C there---they keep him.

Had this been sauya 2C and they had kept Tavaras signed long term you might have an argument

 

[Djp]

Imagine a team like the Avs offer sheeting Barzal.

With $22m they could afford a high offer and Isles would struggle to match as they only have like $8m in cap with Pulock and Toews to re-sign.

Barzal on Avs would be scary.

they have players to sign too. They dont have @33M in space when you factor in Makars future contract.

 

[5cotland]

they have players to sign too. They dont have @33M in space when you factor in Makars future contract.

I said $22m not $33m.

Plus the players they need to sign wont really be expensive.

 

[sosallycanwait]

This is the perfect opportunity for the Flames, the New York Islanders owner may not to spend money in this financial situation and Flames have 4 owners who are rich, when combined together. Let's say they offer sheet at $12 million per for 7 years, that is $84 million in total, that is not a whole for lot 4 billionaires.

Barzel is not worth anywhere near 11.5, not even close.
He is constantly called out for his defensive play and isn't even a ppg player. Plus giving up 4 potential lottery picks makes it even worse.
The window has slammed shut and is the 4th best team in the Pacific and even getting in via wildcard will be difficult.
This team is so flawed and other than MT your top 6 seems to lack heart. Does anyone think the flames are one piece from being a contender?

 

[Djp]

I said $22m not $33m.

Plus the players they need to sign wont really be expensive.

22 and 33 --last time i checked the keys were right nest to each other

How much will Makar cost???

in 2020-2021 season

G= $5.5M
D= $16M for 4 with 2 RFAs....say they spend $24M for 7 Dmen
With F they have $39M for 8 forwards, say the 4 RFA forwards cost $9M to resign. Thats $48M for 12 skaters.

thats about $77 for 22 skaters..

sure they can sign him to an OS given the 10% increase.

Tehjy have Makar a RFA in 2021.
that means Landeskog is gone as a UFA in 2021.

 

[CREW99AW]

This is the perfect opportunity for the Flames, the New York Islanders owner may not to spend money in this financial situation and Flames have 4 owners who are rich, when combined together. Let's say they offer sheet at $12 million per for 7 years, that is $84 million in total, that is not a whole for lot 4 billionaires.

So the nyi owners, who have Belmont opening soon and who are pushing tix sales for the new arena, won't want to spend in this financial situation, but the Flames owners will? Sorry, but are the Flames owners also not dealing with COVID-19's financial impact?

Also, I love Barzal, but he is not worth $11m+. Would be kind of amusing to see the Flames put themselves in cap hell with such a ridiculous move.

 

[CREW99AW]

Barzel is not worth anywhere near 11.5, not even close.
He is constantly called out for his defensive play and isn't even a ppg player. Plus giving up 4 potential lottery picks makes it even worse.
The window has slammed shut and is the 4th best team in the Pacific and even getting in via wildcard will be difficult.
This team is so flawed and other than MT your top 6 seems to lack heart. Does anyone think the flames are one piece from being a contender?

Barzal is not "constantly called out for his defensive play" .

 

[Jared Dunn]

This is the perfect opportunity for the Flames, the New York Islanders owner may not to spend money in this financial situation and Flames have 4 owners who are rich, when combined together. Let's say they offer sheet at $12 million per for 7 years, that is $84 million in total, that is not a whole for lot 4 billionaires.

Yes but you're forgetting the fact that billionaires become billionaires by being notoriously cheap lol

 

[Jared Dunn]

I agree with all this. I feel like guys like Kris Russell actually may have value. He has a 4 mill cap hit but once his bonus is paid out he is only owed 1.5 mill real dollars. Could have some value for team looking to save real dollars.

Cap is flat and most teams are at or approaching it. Even to a team like Ottawa I don't see him having any value at full cap

 

[RationalExpectations]

So the nyi owners, who have Belmont opening soon and who are pushing tix sales for the new arena, won't want to spend in this financial situation, but the Flames owners will? Sorry, but are the Flames owners also not dealing with COVID-19's financial impact?

Also, I love Barzal, but he is not worth $11m+. Would be kind of amusing to see the Flames put themselves in cap hell with such a ridiculous move.

For me the second point is the most important, paying Barzal 11m + while he is not Matthews/ McDavid would not make CGY (or any team) better...

 

[Stuzchuk]

I agree with all this. I feel like guys like Kris Russell actually may have value. He has a 4 mill cap hit but once his bonus is paid out he is only owed 1.5 mill real dollars. Could have some value for team looking to save real dollars.

he has value yes... after bonus is paid in full, OTT offers 2 2020-6th (OTT/SJ) & 2 2020-7th (OTT/STL)