C Shane Wright (2022, 4th, SEA) Part 4

[Xirik]

Then demand a trade from that team.

You don’t keep a kid who isn’t ready for the NHL in the NHL.

its not that easy, Seattle can basically say they won't send him back to Kingston and try to force them to trade him. Kingston though can just play hardball and do nothing. Hockey GM's no matter the league are known for being petty.

 

[kerrabria]

I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

its not that easy, Seattle can basically say they won't send him back to Kingston and try to force them to trade him. Kingston though can just play hardball and do nothing. Hockey GM's no matter the league are known for being petty.

It’s quite easy. Either they trade him, or he sits out. It’s not like there’s a contract they can hold him to, and it’s not like a good OHL team wouldn’t trade Kingston something worthwhile for Shane Wright.

 

[gstommylee]

This line of thinking that a player “has nothing left to learn in Junior” is so ridiculous.

If he had nothing left to learn, he would’ve been a 1st overall pick.

18-year olds don’t get worse by not playing in the NHL for a year.

look at the level of talent.. 16-20 and sometimes a 15 year old. Dominating against that kind of age level talent won't really do much against NHLers. Look at Laf he dominated and going back would have done him nothing.

It’s quite easy. Either they trade him, or he sits out. It’s not like there’s a contract they can hold him to, and it’s not like a good OHL team wouldn’t trade Kingston something worthwhile for Shane Wright.

Sitting out does nothing. Thats basically sending him back just to do so.

 

[nbwingsfan]

There lies the issue. Sending Wright back to the jrs may not benefit him as a player at all and Seattle loses a year of development. That is something the team needs to consider. What is the best interest in the player and his development and sometimes going back to the OHL isn't the best interest in development.

Why wouldn’t it benefit him? He has many aspects to his game he needs to improve and it’s not like he was head and shoulders better than everyone else like Lafreniere for example

 

[Dust]

I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?

Because they've been probably the single biggest source of developing NHL players over the years. I could potentially see some changes to allow players to play in the AHL a little earlier, but the NHL and CHL have had a close relationship for years.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

look at the level of talent.. 16-20 and sometimes a 15 year old. Dominating against that kind of age level talent won't really do much against NHLers. Look at Laf he dominated and going back would have done him nothing.

Sure it will. He’s the best player in that league.

He’ll be able to work on all the things he really needs to get better at away from the puck without worrying about getting his head taken off, or costing his team points.

I just reject this idea that guys have nothing left to learn - if they had nothing left to learn, they’d know everything and undeniably be ready.

When they’re not undeniably ready, it tells me they have more to learn. Because life repeats lessons until they’re learned.

 

[BruinsBtn]

its not that easy, Seattle can basically say they won't send him back to Kingston and try to force them to trade him. Kingston though can just play hardball and do nothing. Hockey GM's no matter the league are known for being petty.

That's a terrible take.

You know the kind of haul Kingston could get for him? You think they'd rather do that just to screw over the team that drafted their biggest star?????

 

[GermanSpitfire]

its not that easy, Seattle can basically say they won't send him back to Kingston and try to force them to trade him. Kingston though can just play hardball and do nothing. Hockey GM's no matter the league are known for being petty.

Kingston would be happy to oblige

 

[nbwingsfan]

I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?

As someone else said, they have been the best league at developing talent in the world, so players know it’s worth it to potentially play one extra year in the CHL than anywhere else in the world.

its not that easy, Seattle can basically say they won't send him back to Kingston and try to force them to trade him. Kingston though can just play hardball and do nothing. Hockey GM's no matter the league are known for being petty.

There is a at best 1% chance Kingston wouldn’t trade Wright if sent back

 

[Kennerback]

I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?

I wonder what would happen if he would threaten to play in the KHL?

 

[theVladiator]

Playing and training with/against top pros, but not much game time, versus sheer reps against weak competition, and less training supports can be argued till the cows come home. Each has merits.

But in Wright's case, it was open secret that he has shown ZERO progression in juniors in his draft year. Sending him back into the same environment and hope for a different result is the definition of insanity. Not saying that Kingston is so terrible at development, but I think it's clear it just doesn't work for Wright.

One could possibly hope that things could be better for him in the OHL outside of Kingston. But that's the conversation for the time when he actually is no longer in Kingston. He can train, and occasionally get into an NHL game, and maybe go to the WJC, while he is waiting for that door to open.

 

[Garbageyuk]

I don’t think it’s going to hurt his long term development by giving him his nine, or even letting him get his teeth wet playing 9:00 for a full season.

Being around pros is a good thing for him because it lets him know how much he needs to put in to grow as a player. It also shows him the lifestyle and gives him something to work towards.

Throwing him into the deep end unprepared with full minutes no matter what, also known as the Kotkaniemi, will hurt his development because his bad habits will be excused and allowed to take hold, and then next year when there’s a full year of tape on him he hits a wall.

Kotkaniemi ATOI his first 3 NHL seasons with MTL:

13:44
13:00
14:48

Cut the shit. Kotkaniemi just sucks; the excuses need to stop.

 

[theVladiator]

As someone else said, they have been the best league at developing talent in the world, so players know it’s worth it to potentially play one extra year in the CHL than anywhere else in the world.


There is a at best 1% chance Kingston wouldn’t trade Wright if sent back

The CHL is probably delivering the best results, but how much of that can be attributed to the fact that they practically monopolized access to the best talent pool in the world?

 

[Favin]

I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?

Its a valid concern. CHL track record developing players over last few years has fallen off a bit relative to Europeans and players on USHL/Jr A/NCAA track. But franchises cannot cut off CHL. Its part of an outdated NHL/CHL agreement that hasn't been amended in years. And while the rest of the world is changing (even NCAA is even allowing players to be compensated), CHL maintains free of competition. No incentive to adapt or improve.

The rules should change, but they won't. Instead, players should be advised to avoid CHL.

 

[kerrabria]

Its a valid concern. CHL track record developing players over last few years has fallen off a bit relative to Europeans and players on USHL/Jr A/NCAA track. But franchises cannot cut off CHL. Its part of an outdated NHL/CHL agreement that hasn't been amended in years. And while the rest of the world is changing (even NCAA is even allowing players to be compensated), CHL maintains free of competition. No incentive to adapt or improve.

The rules should change, but they won't. Instead, players should be advised to avoid CHL.

When you look at the top 10 picks coming out of the CHL since 2018, it's just player after player that has had stalled development after wasting the draft+1 year in juniors and/or being rushed into the NHL a year or two before he was ready.

 

[gstommylee]

Sure it will. He’s the best player in that league.

He’ll be able to work on all the things he really needs to get better at away from the puck without worrying about getting his head taken off, or costing his team points.

I just reject this idea that guys have nothing left to learn - if they had nothing left to learn, they’d know everything and undeniably be ready.

When they’re not undeniably ready, it tells me they have more to learn. Because life repeats lessons until they’re learned.

NYR disagreed, The Qjmhl isn't known to being a defensive league. Its up to seattle to determine if he's better off remaining with the team and developing that way or if there is actually stuff that he needs to develop more on that he wouldn't be able to do at the NHL level.

 

[lomiller1]

I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?

AFAIK if Wright didn't have an NHL contract there is nothing the CHL could do to stop him from playing in Europe. Since he does have one, his NHL team assigned where he plays, but the NHL has an agreement with the CHL that says players drafted from the CHL will always get assigned back to the CHL.

 

[gstommylee]

I hate the CHL so much. How do they have veto power over letting a kid play professionally in Europe when they don't actually pay him? His stipend is probably less than working 20 hours per week at minimum wage.

Such BS. When are the franchises going to cut the CHL off?

And that would be illegal. NHL can't not discriminate and pick and choose where they draft players from.

 

[gstommylee]

Its a valid concern. CHL track record developing players over last few years has fallen off a bit relative to Europeans and players on USHL/Jr A/NCAA track. But franchises cannot cut off CHL. Its part of an outdated NHL/CHL agreement that hasn't been amended in years. And while the rest of the world is changing (even NCAA is even allowing players to be compensated), CHL maintains free of competition. No incentive to adapt or improve.

The rules should change, but they won't. Instead, players should be advised to avoid CHL.

There is always plenty of talent for all the leagues for that age level. Some players have decided to avoid CHL if they want to play college hockey. You can't say there is no competition for the CHL guess what there is and players have taken those other paths.

European hockey leagues is structured differently than that of NA hockey.

CHL players are already being compensated per terms of their contract with their jr major club.

Here's the thing 99% of all talent going through the jr majors aren't talented or developed enough to be ready for the next level at 18. The issue is about those players that are talented enough to where they need to move on to the next level.

 

[gstommylee]

The CHL is probably delivering the best results, but how much of that can be attributed to the fact that they practically monopolized access to the best talent pool in the world?

its not monopolized as you think. Not all the best players over seas get imported to the CHL. So drop the who idea that CHL is a monopoly guess what they aren't
There nothing to stopping a player from deciding to leave the CHL and go play in one of the European League. There's also nothing stopping a player at 18 from terminating his CHL contract and joining some other NA league or even ECHL/AHL if he's good enough. Its just that said player would lose free college turtion for every year he plays in the CHL the moment he goes pro.

 

[gstommylee]

When you look at the top 10 picks coming out of the CHL since 2018, it's just player after player that has had stalled development after wasting the draft+1 year in juniors and/or being rushed into the NHL a year or two before he was ready.

Not all drafts have top 10 picks that actually are legitimately ready to advance to the next level.

Whether we like it or not CHL needs to have the talent there in order to draw viewers to want to go watch the games cause of the expenses. So there has to be a middle ground between returning drafted players to their CHL club and allowing them to go onto the next level.

Not all CHL players have the size skill and/or maturity to advance to the next level after they turn 18 and that's just reality.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

its not that easy, Seattle can basically say they won't send him back to Kingston and try to force them to trade him. Kingston though can just play hardball and do nothing. Hockey GM's no matter the league are known for being petty.

I don't know how the funding works now, but in the past junior teams were paid a certain stipend by the NHL clubs for having their player on their club. Something like $50k per first round pick, so the more NHL players a junior club developed, the more lucrative it is for them.

The problem is if junior clubs start playing hardball, then you'll see situations where players will just flat out refuse to go to that junior club or NHL clubs will just keep the player up and refuse to ever send them back there. That's a bad look for a junior club who gets that kind of reputation because they need the development money.

So it's better to stay on the good side of both player agents and NHL teams so that teams won't avoid them like the plague.

And like others have stated, from a hockey perspective, it makes no sense not trading a player like Wright just to be petty about it since they're not getting the player anyways, and they're also not getting any replacement players/draft picks that they could have gotten via trading them.

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

And that would be illegal. NHL can't not discriminate and pick and choose where they draft players from.

But franchises in the NHL can

 

[bossram]

I'm surprised more top/elite prospects don't try to go the Matthews route and play in Europe before being drafted. For a guy like Wright, it would let him avoid the CHL agreement.

Or even just play in the USHL, then go the college route. They can go pro as soon as they're drafted, or in their D+1.