BK
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He took a big his and did not play after (maybe 1-2 shifts if that). I believe the team was playing it safe.
C Kirby Dach (2019, 3rd, CHI)
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He took a big his and did not play after (maybe 1-2 shifts if that). I believe the team was playing it safe.
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
He is playing around 12 minutes each night. This is fine as they are 3rd line minutes. He is now starting to get PP minutes which will cause his minutes to go up. The Hawks are easing him into the NHL game and it has worked. Going back to the WHL where he can just physically dominate kids for 18-22 a night is not better than playing 12-14 minutes a night in the NHL.
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AmericanDream
Thank you Elon!
Dominance
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That staying up in the NHL is the right move for his development.
AmericanDream
Thank you Elon!
ahhhh...yeah we can't for sure say one way or another, but watching this kid it is plain as day to see the hands and skill he has. he has to do a bit better job of protecting himself/bracing for hits, but that comes over time. I think he belongs up here and will be utilized in a 2nd/3rd line role which is perfect for him - as he will be getting that 13-16 minutes a night as he gets more power play time as well...he is playing wing too, so easing him in as best as we can. Hawks typically develop their high end picks, only Beach and Skille from a decade ago truly busted..
Pavel Buchnevich
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TheBeastCoast
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I wouldn't be happy with it if it was a top prospect on my team but if Hawk fans are happy about it then the hell do I know lol
CallMeShaft
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He looks capable of playing in the NHL. If that changes later this year, we can always send him down. Will lose an ELC year, but Edmonton did that with Drai and signing that kid his first non-elc contract a year sooner did not hurt them one bit.
Like someone said above, in the Kings game, Dach took a hit in the middle frame and only played one shift after that so I'd guess he was just a little sore and the coaches kept him out. It was also the first of a back-to-back (I think Dach's first B2B in the NHL) so sitting him half a game wasn't a big deal.
Do I like that he was on a line with Kubalik and Kampf last game? No. Kubalik has decided he no longer wants to utilize his great shot and Kampf is a 4th liner (a good one at that, but still) playing on the 3rd line. But lines have been jumbled up a bunch over the last few weeks and I'm sure he'll have new linemates a week from now.
But for an 18yo, the way he protects the puck (both in open ice and along the boards) makes me love the kid. It's gonna be a bitch to strip that kid of the puck in 3 years time.
Like someone said above, in the Kings game, Dach took a hit in the middle frame and only played one shift after that so I'd guess he was just a little sore and the coaches kept him out. It was also the first of a back-to-back (I think Dach's first B2B in the NHL) so sitting him half a game wasn't a big deal.
Do I like that he was on a line with Kubalik and Kampf last game? No. Kubalik has decided he no longer wants to utilize his great shot and Kampf is a 4th liner (a good one at that, but still) playing on the 3rd line. But lines have been jumbled up a bunch over the last few weeks and I'm sure he'll have new linemates a week from now.
But for an 18yo, the way he protects the puck (both in open ice and along the boards) makes me love the kid. It's gonna be a bitch to strip that kid of the puck in 3 years time.
greasysnapper
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The Hawks officially burned a year of his ELC tonight. Watching him tonight and while I am a huge fan, I stand by my opinion, he should have been sent down.
Zaddy
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If they're just gonna play him 9 minutes I don't see the rationale behind keeping him up.
Sergei Shirokov
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From what I saw tonight he looked like a capable NHL player.
I think he probably should be sent down if he's barely going to play, but maybe the Hawks envision him getting more minutes as the year goes on.
I think he probably should be sent down if he's barely going to play, but maybe the Hawks envision him getting more minutes as the year goes on.
Dominance
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Yep, this is just getting stupid. Send him down, let him play at the WJC, get traded to a major contender and push for the Memorial Cup. Then, when you’re closer to actually contending and ready to give him a real chance, play him next year.
d rake
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I agree if they continue playing him like this he should go down, however Colliton also played Nylander similarly for his first 9 or so games, easing him and giving him lower icetime and now Nylander is flourishing on our top line. So I wouldn't be surprised if his ice time goes up in the next 10 games or so.
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
9 minutes of time was a result of PP and PK minutes. Not him getting benched. He is being eased in.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
He's averaging 11 minutes per game. It's not much different. Thats 4th line minutes.
Makes no sense to burn the year if they're gonna play him on the 4th line. Position to succeed, or send him down to juniors IMO. He has plenty to do there as he hardly destroyed the competition last season.
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
11 minutes per game as a 3rd liner is just fine for him as he start his career. They are a little above 4th minutes as I break it down as 20-18-12-10. He will get more as the season goes on.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
There’s not a team in the league where third line players play 12 per game. Try 14 on the low end.
BK
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13 is about the average actually looking at top teams and total ice time. I also directly said 11 minutes is a little above 4th line minutes.
Dominance
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And now he’s scratched today. Are they putting together a case study on how NOT to develop a young prospect with enormous offensive potential but significant areas for improvement?
JoemAvs
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Yep. This kind of treatment was exactly what I feared was gonna happen if the Avs picked him.
Kid is one hell of a prospect. But he should be in the WHL by now. Burning that year of his ELC makes no sense at all IMO.
Hope he gets sent down soon and gets to play a huge role in the upcoming WJC.
Division rival or not I am still rooting for Kirby and hope this gets sorted quickly. Him eating nachos in the press box is the last thing you want to see right now...
Jacob
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It's hard to believe that teams keep making these same mistakes over and over with prospects.
No prospect in history has ever been irreparably damaged by patience but there are plenty of examples of prospects rushed along and fizzling out. If a young guy that has offensive upside is barely playing at all, let alone in offensive situations, I can't imagine how anyone thinks that's good for their development. Rasmussen in Detroit is a recent example.. all year up with Detroit, but minimal ice time and situations (and on a bad team), and now he's starting the year in the AHL rectifying last year's mistakes.
The same "he has nothing to prove in juniors" argument never works for me. When you look at some of the totals that players from Sakic to DeBrincat put up in their post-draft junior seasons, it's hard to convince me that Dach's 1.18 points per game last year was just total domination and another year in the WHL would be a waste of his time or possibly even detrimental.
Not to mention the cap implications of burning a year of his ELC.
