Proposal: Buffalo- Calgary/Dallas/Vancouver/Arizona

[dkollidas]

Just thinking of some ideas. Do any of these make any sense?

Trade 1: At the Deadline

To Calgary:
2017 3rd round pick (would be willing to do a 2nd in 2018 instead)

To Buffalo:
D- D. Wideman

Rationale: Calgary receives a decent pick for an upcoming UFA.
Buffalo Receives a guy who's a righty so at least has experience if Bogosian goes down again, and can move the puck, which is needed on Buffalo's back end.

Deals 2-4 during off-season, before Expansion Draft

Trade 2:

To Dallas:
2017 3rd round pick
G- L. Ullmark

To Buffalo:
Rights to Winger V. Nichushkin

Rationale: In exchange for a player who's rights could be lost in expansion if not protected, Dallas receives a decent pick and a solid goalie prospect who looks to be developing into a cheap young starter.

Trade 3:

To Vancouver:
LW- T. Ennis

To Buffalo:
D- J. Subban
2017 3rd round pick

Rationale: Vancouver receives a player with a top-6 forward skill set who is returning from injury this season.
Buffalo receives a young, potential PP specialist and a mid level draft pick.

Trade 4:
To Arizona:
C- Z. Girgensons
2017 3rd round pick

To Buffalo:
LW- L. Crouse

Rationale: Arizona has plenty of talent and depth on the wings (Domi, Rieder, Dvorak, Duclair, Perlini) but little at center behind Strome, especially with Hanzal likely to leave via UFA and dealing with many injuries. Girgensons gives Arizona a center that can hopefully develop into a Hanzal-Esque center in order to play in front of Strome and allow him time to develop in the middle-6 or AHL if necessary.
Buffalo receives another young winter prospect who can develop next to one of Eichel or Reinhart.

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[wonton15]

Value-wise, it's okay for the Canucks. However, there's no spot for him with Rodin still a question mark and Baertschi and Horvat anchoring our second line.

We should not be trading prospects and picks away but this is a move I (unfortunately) could see Benning doing.

 

[DJN21]

Just thinking of some ideas. Do any of these make any sense?

Trade 1: At the Deadline

To Calgary:
2016 3rd round pick (would be willing to do a 2nd in 2018 instead)

To Buffalo:
D- D. Wideman

Rationale: Calgary receives a decent pick for an upcoming UFA.
Buffalo Receives a guy who's a righty so at least has experience if Bogosian goes down again, and can move the puck, which is needed on Buffalo's back end.

Deals 2-4 during off-season, before Expansion Draft

Trade 2:

To Dallas:
2016 3rd round pick
G- L. Ullmark

To Buffalo:
Rights to Winger V. Nichushkin

Rationale: In exchange for a player who's rights could be lost in expansion if not protected, Dallas receives a decent pick and a solid goalie prospect who looks to be developing into a cheap young starter.

Trade 3:

To Vancouver:
LW- T. Ennis

To Buffalo:
D- J. Subban
2017 3rd round pick

Rationale: Vancouver receives a player with a top-6 forward skill set who is returning from injury this season.
Buffalo receives a young, potential PP specialist and a mid level draft pick.

Trade 4:
To Arizona:
C- Z. Girgensons
2017 3rd round pick

To Buffalo:
LW- L. Crouse

Rationale: Arizona has plenty of talent and depth on the wings (Domi, Rieder, Dvorak, Duclair, Perlini) but little at center behind Strome, especially with Hanzal likely to leave via UFA and dealing with many injuries. Girgensons gives Arizona a center that can hopefully develop into a Hanzal-Esque center in order to play in front of Strome and allow him time to develop in the middle-6 or AHL if necessary.
Buffalo receives another young winter prospect who can develop next to one of Eichel or Reinhart.

Who is gonna actually lace up for Buffalo with Eichel, Kane, Bogo, Fasching+ out and Ennis and Girgs shipped out? Calling up Rochester?

Value isn't terrible anywhere but its shuffling chairs for no reason when we havent seen this team at full capacity yet.

 

[Mr Misty]

Is the Dallas one a joke? A 3rd is not a decent pick nor is there danger of losing Nichushkin who is easy to protect. What you offer creates problems while not solving any. Get a clue.

 

[dkollidas]

Who is gonna actually lace up for Buffalo with Eichel, Kane, Bogo, Fasching+ out and Ennis and Girgs shipped out? Calling up Rochester?

Value isn't terrible anywhere but its shuffling chairs for no reason when we havent seen this team at full capacity yet.

The only deal I'm proposing for this season is the Calgary deal, at the deadline.
The other deals would be in the off-season. I also don't think Buffalo would do all these trades but rather only 1 or two.

Mr. Misty said: Is the Dallas one a joke? A 3rd is not a decent pick nor is there danger of losing Nichushkin who is easy to protect. What you offer creates problems while not solving any. Get a clue.

It wasn't. I was inquiring as to his value, hence the proposal. He's a 21yr old winger with talent, yes. But he's scored 34pts in a season, as an 18yr old, very impressive. But then missed almost the entire 14-15 season, and only scored 29pts as a 20yr old, then left bc he was dissapointed with his role on the team. And if Dallas goes 8skaters 1goalie, Roussell and Nuke would likely be exposed. If they went 7-3-1, one of Nuke or Ritchie would likely be exposed. Either way, he'll be exposed and could be selected by a team like Vegas as a lotto ticket hoping he comes back to the NHL.
Ullmark adds a solid young netminder, both Niemi and Lehtonen have a year remaining on their deals, but really, do you want either? Are either worth protecting? At least Ullmark is a cheap, young, up and coming netminder worth using protection on.

 

[PG Canuck]

Value-wise, it's okay for the Canucks. However, there's no spot for him with Rodin still a question mark and Baertschi and Horvat anchoring our second line.

We should not be trading prospects and picks away but this is a move I (unfortunately) could see Benning doing.

Realistically with Benning in charge, they may as well trade Subban.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

To Calgary:
2016 3rd round pick (would be willing to do a 2nd in 2018 instead)

To Buffalo:
D- D. Wideman

I am pretty indifferent. Wideman hasn't been bad this year, but we don't have a fit for him in our top 4 with Brodie and Hamilton and Engelland won't get ever injured on our bottom pair and is Teacher's Pet with his old ECHL coach. If we got a 2nd round pick, I'd take it I'd wait til later in the season.

 

[serp]

The only deal I'm proposing for this season is the Calgary deal, at the deadline.
The other deals would be in the off-season. I also don't think Buffalo would do all these trades but rather only 1 or two.



It wasn't. I was inquiring as to his value, hence the proposal. He's a 21yr old winger with talent, yes. But he's scored 34pts in a season, as an 18yr old, very impressive. But then missed almost the entire 14-15 season, and only scored 29pts as a 20yr old, then left bc he was dissapointed with his role on the team. And if Dallas goes 8skaters 1goalie, Roussell and Nuke would likely be exposed. If they went 7-3-1, one of Nuke or Ritchie would likely be exposed. Either way, he'll be exposed and could be selected by a team like Vegas as a lotto ticket hoping he comes back to the NHL.
Ullmark adds a solid young netminder, both Niemi and Lehtonen have a year remaining on their deals, but really, do you want either? Are either worth protecting? At least Ullmark is a cheap, young, up and coming netminder worth using protection on.

We want a real goalie not a prospect. We have prospects ourselfs .

If push comes to shove the team can just protect Lagace who is the AHL starter and be done with it .

 

[Mr Misty]

It wasn't. I was inquiring as to his value, hence the proposal. He's a 21yr old winger with talent, yes. But he's scored 34pts in a season, as an 18yr old, very impressive. But then missed almost the entire 14-15 season, and only scored 29pts as a 20yr old, then left bc he was dissapointed with his role on the team. And if Dallas goes 8skaters 1goalie, Roussell and Nuke would likely be exposed. If they went 7-3-1, one of Nuke or Ritchie would likely be exposed. Either way, he'll be exposed and could be selected by a team like Vegas as a lotto ticket hoping he comes back to the NHL.
Ullmark adds a solid young netminder, both Niemi and Lehtonen have a year remaining on their deals, but really, do you want either? Are either worth protecting? At least Ullmark is a cheap, young, up and coming netminder worth using protection on.

First, there are 3 openings in the top 6 for him to take next year. If you think that dissatisfaction with his role was a big deal, it won't be for long.

Second, you are way off base in your predictions. We don't even have 3 defensemen worth protecting unless you count Hamhuis who really shouldn't be given his 1 year deal. Up front we have Benn, Seguin, Spezza, Faksa, Ritchie, and Nichushkin as players worth protecting. If Vegas wants 1 year of Roussell, fine. If they want to solve our Eakin problem, fine. And if we are worried about one of those players, we have an open slot to protect them with. And if they want both, Ritchie is much older and less good of a fit for us than Nichushkin while also being a Nieuwendyk instead of a Nill draft choice. Not hard.

Finally, nobody would pick Ullmark ahead of the goalies available this offseason. If we make a big move, why would we choose to move on from a player with demonstrated talent in favor of the 6th best available goalie? Nothing about this makes sense, which is why nobody is interested in any of the 3 Nichushkin threads you've commented on in the past day.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Your proposals follow no real theme though. Acquire ufa Wideman, playoff team style, acquire Nichushkin (playoff or rebuilder) trade Ennius, rebuilder style

 

[Snarky Coyote]

No thanks from Phoenix, just not attractive enough offer

 

[zar]

Just thinking of some ideas. Do any of these make any sense?

Trade 1: At the Deadline

To Calgary:
2016 3rd round pick (would be willing to do a 2nd in 2018 instead)

To Buffalo:
D- D. Wideman

Rationale: Calgary receives a decent pick for an upcoming UFA.
Buffalo Receives a guy who's a righty so at least has experience if Bogosian goes down again, and can move the puck, which is needed on Buffalo's back end.

Deals 2-4 during off-season, before Expansion Draft

Trade 2:

To Dallas:
2016 3rd round pick
G- L. Ullmark

To Buffalo:
Rights to Winger V. Nichushkin

Rationale: In exchange for a player who's rights could be lost in expansion if not protected, Dallas receives a decent pick and a solid goalie prospect who looks to be developing into a cheap young starter.

Trade 3:

To Vancouver:
LW- T. Ennis

To Buffalo:
D- J. Subban
2017 3rd round pick

Rationale: Vancouver receives a player with a top-6 forward skill set who is returning from injury this season.
Buffalo receives a young, potential PP specialist and a mid level draft pick.

Trade 4:
To Arizona:
C- Z. Girgensons
2017 3rd round pick

To Buffalo:
LW- L. Crouse

Rationale: Arizona has plenty of talent and depth on the wings (Domi, Rieder, Dvorak, Duclair, Perlini) but little at center behind Strome, especially with Hanzal likely to leave via UFA and dealing with many injuries. Girgensons gives Arizona a center that can hopefully develop into a Hanzal-Esque center in order to play in front of Strome and allow him time to develop in the middle-6 or AHL if necessary.
Buffalo receives another young winter prospect who can develop next to one of Eichel or Reinhart.

The 2016 Draft is over.

The only team that goes for the offer proposed is Calgary.

 

[Skobel24]

Some Flame fans may call me crazy here, but I think I'd pass.

Grossman has been waived (rightfully so). Losing Wideman would mean that Kulak would be a regular in the lineup, which I don't think he should be quite yet. If an injury occurs, we'd have nobody that could really step up aside from Wotherspoon. Kylington and Andersson need more time in the AHL.

Towards the deadline, if the Flames are still out of the running, I'd do this. Right now though, it doesn't really make sense.

 

[dkollidas]

Your proposals follow no real theme though. Acquire ufa Wideman, playoff team style, acquire Nichushkin (playoff or rebuilder) trade Ennius, rebuilder style

Well they aren't meant to be done altogether. The Calgary deal depends on where Buffalo is near the deadline, along with Bogosian'a health.

The Nuke deal is a bit of a pipe dream. And I doubt we'd do it bc Murray doesn't seem to fond of Russians, especially one who already ditched for the KHL.

The crouse deal is a bit of a "rebuild" move, but I see Crouse fitting in better here than Girgensons and Zemgus would provide Phoenix a guy they could possibly turn into a Hanzal replacement.

The Ennis deal is just trying to get Pick moving defenseman in house.

 

[WhatWhat]

Just thinking of some ideas. Do any of these make any sense?

Trade 1: At the Deadline

To Calgary:
2017 3rd round pick (would be willing to do a 2nd in 2018 instead)

To Buffalo:
D- D. Wideman

Rationale: Calgary receives a decent pick for an upcoming UFA.
Buffalo Receives a guy who's a righty so at least has experience if Bogosian goes down again, and can move the puck, which is needed on Buffalo's back end.

Deals 2-4 during off-season, before Expansion Draft

Trade 2:

To Dallas:
2017 3rd round pick
G- L. Ullmark

To Buffalo:
Rights to Winger V. Nichushkin

Rationale: In exchange for a player who's rights could be lost in expansion if not protected, Dallas receives a decent pick and a solid goalie prospect who looks to be developing into a cheap young starter.

Trade 3:

To Vancouver:
LW- T. Ennis

To Buffalo:
D- J. Subban
2017 3rd round pick

Rationale: Vancouver receives a player with a top-6 forward skill set who is returning from injury this season.
Buffalo receives a young, potential PP specialist and a mid level draft pick.

Trade 4:
To Arizona:
C- Z. Girgensons
2017 3rd round pick

To Buffalo:
LW- L. Crouse

Rationale: Arizona has plenty of talent and depth on the wings (Domi, Rieder, Dvorak, Duclair, Perlini) but little at center behind Strome, especially with Hanzal likely to leave via UFA and dealing with many injuries. Girgensons gives Arizona a center that can hopefully develop into a Hanzal-Esque center in order to play in front of Strome and allow him time to develop in the middle-6 or AHL if necessary.
Buffalo receives another young winter prospect who can develop next to one of Eichel or Reinhart.

Just awful for Dallas. A 3rd is not a "good pick" and we are not loosing Nichuskin to the draft because we are protecting him...

That's not even remotely close to what it would cost to get Nichuskins rights

 

[WhatWhat]

The only deal I'm proposing for this season is the Calgary deal, at the deadline.
The other deals would be in the off-season. I also don't think Buffalo would do all these trades but rather only 1 or two.



It wasn't. I was inquiring as to his value, hence the proposal. He's a 21yr old winger with talent, yes. But he's scored 34pts in a season, as an 18yr old, very impressive. But then missed almost the entire 14-15 season, and only scored 29pts as a 20yr old, then left bc he was dissapointed with his role on the team. And if Dallas goes 8skaters 1goalie, Roussell and Nuke would likely be exposed. If they went 7-3-1, one of Nuke or Ritchie would likely be exposed. Either way, he'll be exposed and could be selected by a team like Vegas as a lotto ticket hoping he comes back to the NHL.
Ullmark adds a solid young netminder, both Niemi and Lehtonen have a year remaining on their deals, but really, do you want either? Are either worth protecting? At least Ullmark is a cheap, young, up and coming netminder worth using protection on.

Dallas is protecting Nuke. There is no one on the team that makes sense to protect over him. We are going 7-3 and forwards being protected are Benn Seguin Spezza Faksa Nuke and then 2 of Eakin/Ritchie/Roussel.

Eakin likely gets protected because management love him and Nuke is worth a decent chunk more than 1 year of Roussel or Ritchie

 

[Some Other Flame]

Just thinking of some ideas. Do any of these make any sense?

Trade 1: At the Deadline

To Calgary:
2017 3rd round pick (would be willing to do a 2nd in 2018 instead)

To Buffalo:
D- D. Wideman

Rationale: Calgary receives a decent pick for an upcoming UFA.
Buffalo Receives a guy who's a righty so at least has experience if Bogosian goes down again, and can move the puck, which is needed on Buffalo's back end.

Flames start the car, I mean they reluctantly accept your offer.

 

[MrGameAndWatch]

Just thinking of some ideas. Do any of these make any sense?

Trade 1: At the Deadline

To Calgary:
2017 3rd round pick (would be willing to do a 2nd in 2018 instead)

To Buffalo:
D- D. Wideman

Rationale: Calgary receives a decent pick for an upcoming UFA.
Buffalo Receives a guy who's a righty so at least has experience if Bogosian goes down again, and can move the puck, which is needed on Buffalo's back end.

Calgary takes this and runs, IMO.

 

[Volica]

Calgary takes this and runs, IMO.

All day.

 

[Lunatik]

Some Flame fans may call me crazy here, but I think I'd pass.

Grossman has been waived (rightfully so). Losing Wideman would mean that Kulak would be a regular in the lineup, which I don't think he should be quite yet. If an injury occurs, we'd have nobody that could really step up aside from Wotherspoon. Kylington and Andersson need more time in the AHL.

Towards the deadline, if the Flames are still out of the running, I'd do this. Right now though, it doesn't really make sense.

He did state it would be a deadline deal.

 

[airbus220]

Calgary takes this and runs, IMO.

You mean they sold the car?

 

[Skobel24]

He did state it would be a deadline deal.

Ah, I missed that.

 

[RR]

Trade 4:
To Arizona:
C- Z. Girgensons
2017 3rd round pick

To Buffalo:
LW- L. Crouse

Rationale: Arizona has plenty of talent and depth on the wings (Domi, Rieder, Dvorak, Duclair, Perlini) but little at center behind Strome, especially with Hanzal likely to leave via UFA and dealing with many injuries. Girgensons gives Arizona a center that can hopefully develop into a Hanzal-Esque center in order to play in front of Strome and allow him time to develop in the middle-6 or AHL if necessary.
Buffalo receives another young winter prospect who can develop next to one of Eichel or Reinhart.

Easy pass from Arizona. Crouse was acquired because he fills the specific need of a big, young, power winger. He's the only one on the roster and Ryan MacInnis is the only prospect in the pipeline who may develop but he's at least a year or two away.