Toggle sidebar

Proposal: Buffalo / NY Rangers: Power + J. Quinn for Schneider + Cuylle

Doug Prishpreed

Doug Prishpreed

Registered User
May 1, 2013
9,831
7,770
Brooklyn
Last time I posted a trade proposal I was laughed out of the forum…so go easy on me! Lol

Am I crazy or does this make both rosters look better?

I should add that I’m a Sabres fan who thinks who prefers to move the two Buffalo players this offseason, to balance the roster out, and I don’t necessarily need full value in return.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Mrfenn92
Uberpecker said:
Crazy overpayment by Buffalo, did you become temporarily possessed by Bern? 😉

Theoretically, those pieces from the NYR could make sense for the Sabres, but not at that price, even though I think I understand your reasoning behind it.
Click to expand...
A more realistic offer might be around Cuylle and Schneider for Peterka and Samuelsson.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nikolajs Sillers
All four are good players, but I'm surprised at how many people think this is awful for Buffalo.

Power is better than Schneider, but Power on a $8+M cap hit might not be as valuable as Schneider at $2.2M/per. With the contracts factored in, it's pretty much a toss up depending on what you're looking for.

Cuylle and Quinn are both on ELCs, but Cuylle's even strength production this year has been better than Quinn by a fair margin, and Cuylle also PKs regularly. Quinn has a slightly more proven track record. Again, more of a toss up than anything.

I'd take Power over Schneider in a vacuum, but not at Power's cap hit (for that money, I'd want a better player). I take Cuylle over Quinn, because Cuylle does more of the things the Rangers need.

Value in either direction isn't outlandish by any stretch though.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mandar, LBpuzzels, YotesFan47 and 4 others
smoneil said:
All four are good players, but I'm surprised at how many people think this is awful for Buffalo.

Power is better than Schneider, but Power on a $8+M cap hit might not be as valuable as Schneider at $2.2M/per. With the contracts factored in, it's pretty much a toss up depending on what you're looking for.

Cuylle and Quinn are both on ELCs, but Cuylle's even strength production this year has been better than Quinn by a fair margin, and Cuylle also PKs regularly. Quinn has a slightly more proven track record. Again, more of a toss up than anything.

I'd take Power over Schneider in a vacuum, but not at Power's cap hit (for that money, I'd want a better player). I take Cuylle over Quinn, because Cuylle does more of the things the Rangers need.

Value in either direction isn't outlandish by any stretch though.
Click to expand...
Disagree.

When you're comparing current contracts you're talking about the next two or three years.

The risk with Power is that you might be trading Viktor Hedman in 2012. It will take a lot more than, 'but this guy has a better contract for two more years' to come even close to evening that out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kevrondl
Buffalo doesn't do this for Peterka alone OR for Power alone.

Schneider is pretty bad, the only thing giving him value is that he is a recent-ish 1st round pick. In terms of practice he's a bottom pairing defenseman.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Devilsfan118
tsujimoto74 said:
You are seriously undervaluing Power.
Click to expand...
Legit question - what makes Power a good player? I haven't seen many Sabre games in the Power Regime but I don't notice much. He just seems there. He did look really good in the final few minutes against the Rangers earlier this year, but aside from that I can't recall anything.

Oh, he did score against the Devils recently but I recall being more annoyed than awed.
 
smoneil said:
All four are good players, but I'm surprised at how many people think this is awful for Buffalo.

Power is better than Schneider, but Power on a $8+M cap hit might not be as valuable as Schneider at $2.2M/per. With the contracts factored in, it's pretty much a toss up depending on what you're looking for.

Cuylle and Quinn are both on ELCs, but Cuylle's even strength production this year has been better than Quinn by a fair margin, and Cuylle also PKs regularly. Quinn has a slightly more proven track record. Again, more of a toss up than anything.

I'd take Power over Schneider in a vacuum, but not at Power's cap hit (for that money, I'd want a better player). I take Cuylle over Quinn, because Cuylle does more of the things the Rangers need.

Value in either direction isn't outlandish by any stretch though.
Click to expand...
This ^ mostly
I agree the UPSIDE POTENTIAL of Power is >> if not >>> Schneider, but is not current. Power is RAW, RAW, RAW.
That's ok but that has to be a component in recognizing value.

Also Schneider criminally underrated, as is KAM, by too many on our board who want instant gratification win now. Both those guys Rs should lean to keep and main thing is to get partners w/chemistry

Cuylle + Quinn are interesting, prefer Cuylle

There may be a deal to be had here but this is not it.


AfroThunder396 said:
Buffalo doesn't do this for Peterka alone OR for Power alone.

Schneider is pretty bad, the only thing giving him value is that he is a recent-ish 1st round pick. In terms of practice he's a bottom pairing defenseman.
Click to expand...
disagree
Schneider is better than you describe and also commands more as a righty shot
 
Uberpecker said:
Crazy overpayment by Buffalo, did you become temporarily possessed by Bern? 😉

Theoretically, those pieces from the NYR could make sense for the Sabres, but not at that price, even though I think I understand your reasoning behind it.
Click to expand...
Sssshhhhh!
I am sworn to use that power only for good
and in any event, that was not the case here
 
MarkusNaslund19 said:
Disagree.

When you're comparing current contracts you're talking about the next two or three years.

The risk with Power is that you might be trading Viktor Hedman in 2012. It will take a lot more than, 'but this guy has a better contract for two more years' to come even close to evening that out.
Click to expand...

That's a good reason for Buffalo to not want to trade Power. It isn't something that would give Power a ton of value to another team. The risk with acquiring Power is that a team would be giving up top trade assets for a player who hasn't yet played up to his cap hit. Buffalo worries that is might be trading away 2012 Hedman. Acquiring teams worry that they might be acquiring Wade Redden. You want the acquiring team to take all the risk AND pay top value for it. That's not how trades (by competent GMs) work.

Put another way, Power is a lot like Lafreniere in my view. Both former top picks. Both with some success, but not the level of success you would have hoped to see by now. Both worth more to their teams than to teams that might want to trade for them.

Again, for me, I would rather spend that kind of money of a player who is more of a sure thing than on Power. Because if you swing and miss on Power, you won't have the $$ to fill the slot he was meant to fill.
 
MakoSlade said:
Legit question - what makes Power a good player? I haven't seen many Sabre games in the Power Regime but I don't notice much. He just seems there. He did look really good in the final few minutes against the Rangers earlier this year, but aside from that I can't recall anything.

Oh, he did score against the Devils recently but I recall being more annoyed than awed.
Click to expand...

His transition skills are very high end. There are 2 things right now that are stopping him from being an elite all-around defenseman: (1) lack of physicality, (2) defensive brain farts. I’m not sure the first thing can be fixed—I don’t think it’s in his DNA as a player—but the second problem is one I expect would quickly fix itself under decent coaching. We’ve seen flashes from him (not just isolated plays, but whole games) where he’s looked the part.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MakoSlade, bert and dire wolf
tsujimoto74 said:
His transition skills are very high end. There are 2 things right now that are stopping him from being an elite all-around defenseman: (1) lack of physicality, (2) defensive braina farts. I’m not sure the first thing can be fixed—I don’t think it’s in his DNA as a player—but the second problem is one I expect would quickly fix itself under decent coaching. We’ve seen flashes from him (not just isolated plays, but whole games) where he’s looked the part.
Click to expand...
Hes 22 to start next season. Both characters and Hedman didnt look like they did in their prime in D+4 yr. He also should be wuth a D first partner which would help.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dire wolf
Neutral fan here, this is terrible for Buffalo. Quinn and Power are elite from a pure potential standpoint, high end young players that are stuck in a bad situation. Quinn has battled injuries but the pure talent is there. Power's potential is sky high, big D men take longer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nikolajs Sillers
smoneil said:
All four are good players, but I'm surprised at how many people think this is awful for Buffalo.

Power is better than Schneider, but Power on a $8+M cap hit might not be as valuable as Schneider at $2.2M/per. With the contracts factored in, it's pretty much a toss up depending on what you're looking for.

Cuylle and Quinn are both on ELCs, but Cuylle's even strength production this year has been better than Quinn by a fair margin, and Cuylle also PKs regularly. Quinn has a slightly more proven track record. Again, more of a toss up than anything.

I'd take Power over Schneider in a vacuum, but not at Power's cap hit (for that money, I'd want a better player). I take Cuylle over Quinn, because Cuylle does more of the things the Rangers need.

Value in either direction isn't outlandish by any stretch though.
Click to expand...
Dont you dare come in here making sense! Power is a 1st overall draft pick so we value him more because of reasons!
 
Legitimately wondering -- what is the appeal of Braden Schneider. Doesn't really score, certainly doesn't drive play. Is he literally just big? Almost 300 NHL games too so it's not like he has that much more runway for improvement
 
  • Like
Reactions: DJN21
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)

Latest posts

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom