Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals V

[DKH]

Here’s the dilemma as I see it.

The core is obviously aging and aside from Pasta, DeBrusk and McAvoy I don’t see enough top end talent under 25 to make them a contender, say 5 years from now.

Obviously, who they draft and how those future picks and current prospects develop could make a difference, but IMO their best chance is in the next 2-3 years, however, they must upgrade the forwards for it to happen.

This is why I’m perfectly ok with them moving almost any of their young guns, not named McAvoy, DeBrusk and obviously Pasta to make a run for it between now and 2021.

You do realize Patrice Bergeron real name is not Patrice Bergeron.

It’s Jesse Tuck.

He doesn’t age.

 

[easton117]

Cam wants a parade

Think he’s about 3 forwards, one very expensive and an actual healthy d core away right now. So all in all, could be an exiting deadline. Or terrifying. Depending on your point of view.

I’ll say this about Heinen. He needs to slow his brain down and speed his hands up. He looks like a guy overthinking what he should be doing with the puck.

I don’t think he has high end offensive talent but he’s better than he’s shown so far. The revolving door of line mates probably hasn’t helped

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

i'd maybe go cehlarik and a pick for Coyle, but that's it. and not because I think Cehlarik isn't good but because it seems clear to me that he's not in this GM or coach's plans here.

But I think there are much better fits out there than Coyle. Coyle at 22 when he had upside I'd have been all over, but he with the benefit of hindsight he's just another guy.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Guilty I guess.

I mean I’d think that just taking inventory of the time you spend responding to his critics and defending a guy who has done so little since about February of last year, you might be able to see the other side a little bit.

The guy has been brutal all year regardless of how much people want to try to spin it.

Does he make a play or two a game that might help the team?

Sure, but who doesn’t?

In the end, it’s about production, which there has been very little.

On top of the lack of production, he doesn’t kill penalties, doesn’t hit or bring any physicality to the team, isn’t noticeable defensively, at least not significantly more than the rest of the bottom half of the forwards.

So what does he bring?

He’s cheap and about 1/2 the people here seem to find him to be pleasant, I guess.

JAG, but at least he’s an unoffensive, nice one it seems.

I guess you aren’t better than that.

The reason I defend Heinen has nothing to do with him being pleasant or cheap (although that is a plus). I defend him because I like the way he plays the game. I watch the play, I don’t look at the score sheet and assume a guy played poorly because he’s not on it. I have to assume that’s what some of you do when I see the comments.

Heinen (and the rest of that line) were really, really good last night. If you can’t see that, or don’t want to because you have some cookie cutter idea of what makes a hockey player “tough” and Heinen doesn’t fit it...I can’t help you.

Did you ever ask yourself why Heinen is in the lineup even though he hasn’t been producing this year, and there are other options?

Cassidy gets paid to win games, if he has Heinen in there it’s because he thinks he’s doing that. Not because he’s pleasant, or cheap, or washing Cassidy’s car.

 

[easton117]

I guess you aren’t better than that.

The reason I defend Heinen has nothing to do with him being pleasant or cheap (although that is a plus). I defend him because I like the way he plays the game. I watch the play, I don’t look at the score sheet and assume a guy played poorly because he’s not on it. I have to assume that’s what some of you do when I see the comments.

Heinen (and the rest of that line) were really, really good last night. If you can’t see that, or don’t want to because you have some cookie cutter idea of what makes a hockey player “tough” and Heinen doesn’t fit it...I can’t help you.

Did you ever ask yourself why Heinen is in the lineup even though he hasn’t been producing this year, and there are other options?

Cassidy gets paid to win games, if he has Heinen in there it’s because he thinks he’s doing that. Not because he’s pleasant, or cheap, or washing Cassidy’s car.

I’d wash Cassidy’s car for Heinen’s salary.

Hell I’d wash Cassidy.

Bubbles Mr Bruce?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

i'd maybe go cehlarik and a pick for Coyle, but that's it. and not because I think Cehlarik isn't good but because it seems clear to me that he's not in this GM or coach's plans here.

But I think there are much better fits out there than Coyle. Coyle at 22 when he had upside I'd have been all over, but he with the benefit of hindsight he's just another guy.

I like Coyle, but if the B’s acquired him, it would probably be with the idea that he would play RW with Krejci and DeBrusk? He’s got the build of guys that DK typically likes on his wing, but I don’t see Coyle every night, so I’m not sure how good a fit he would be stylistically. Looking at his FO numbers, he’s only been over 50% for the year once and he’s not a full time center. He’s been around 500-600 draws tops which puts him in 4th line C territory, not Top 9.

I guess it would depend on the ask.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I’d wash Cassidy’s car for Heinen’s salary.

Hell I’d wash Cassidy.

Bubbles Mr Bruce?

Yeah, me too, but I don’t think it’s an option, Backes and Acciari are already doing it

 

[sarge88]

I guess you aren’t better than that.

The reason I defend Heinen has nothing to do with him being pleasant or cheap (although that is a plus). I defend him because I like the way he plays the game. I watch the play, I don’t look at the score sheet and assume a guy played poorly because he’s not on it. I have to assume that’s what some of you do when I see the comments.

Heinen (and the rest of that line) were really, really good last night. If you can’t see that, or don’t want to because you have some cookie cutter idea of what makes a hockey player “tough” and Heinen doesn’t fit it...I can’t help you.

Did you ever ask yourself why Heinen is in the lineup even though he hasn’t been producing this year, and there are other options?

Cassidy gets paid to win games, if he has Heinen in there it’s because he thinks he’s doing that. Not because he’s pleasant, or cheap, or washing Cassidy’s car.

I watch the games too and don’t like his game at all and rarely see what you see.

I see a passenger most nights....not because he’s a wuss but because despite all of the good things you claim to see in him he’s produced almost nothing.

At the end of the day when the best you can say about him is that he made a nice pass or two or forechecked effectively during one of his shifts, is that really enough?

If that’s the standard everyone in the top 6-9 is held to then we’d see a lot of scoreless games.

I’m not saying I’m right but at the end of the day a top 6-9 forward is judged by production.....or at least should be.

Lastly, It’s good to know that you’ll never question the coaches decisions though. I mean since he’s won 2 cups and has yet to lose a game, who am I to question how a guy on pace to score 20 points is being used?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I watch the games too and don’t like his game at all and rarely see what you see.

I see a passenger most nights....not because he’s a wuss but because despite all of the good things you claim to see in him he’s produced almost nothing.

At the end of the day when the best you can say about him is that he made a nice pass or two or forechecked effectively during one of his shifts, is that really enough?

If that’s the standard everyone in the top 6-9 is held to then we’d see a lot of scoreless games.

I’m not saying I’m right but at the end of the day a top 6-9 forward is judged by production.....or at least should be.

Lastly, It’s good to know that you’ll never question the coaches decisions though. I mean since he’s won 2 cups and has yet to lose a game, who am I to question how a guy on pace to score 20 points is being used?

Were you like this last season when he was putting up 47 points as a rookie.

 

[sarge88]

Were you like this last season when he was putting up 47 points as a rookie.

Not at all...at least until February, because despite his flaws he was producing.

I’m loyal to nothing in hockey but the Bruins.

I’ve seen enough flashes in the pan over the years that I’ve learned to avoid devoting blind loyalty to a guy who brings little else aside from scoring and has only had a good 40% of one season.

Heinen has been bad this year. The question is whether this is what he is or if October-February last year is.

I’m leaning toward this being it....maybe I’m wrong but either way he’s not really helping the team right now and I wouldn’t be upset if they gave others a shot or moved him in a package for someone better or at least different, that could help them.

 

[DrJustice]

Forget I ever said anything about Daniel Sprong.

4 minutes of ice-time against us in a game where Hornqvist went down.

Yeesh.

 

[HeartsAlive]

I don't think the Bruins make a move until it's clear what Bergeron and Chara look like when they return. Even then, I don't see a move being made from the blue line where a lot of our valuable pieces are right now. There's been too many D injuries so far, I don't see us trading any of that depth.

That being said I doubt the Bruins keep both Chara and Krug next season, and I think Sweeney has to wait until at least the draft to really push his pieces all in. Carlo and McCavoy are getting paid this offseason. Either Chara retires, or Krug's NTC broadens and we see him moved out for a legit top 6 forward. Otherwise there are 7 left shot D that are or should be NHL ready for the 2019 season. Depth is one thing, but they can't play that much talent at one position.

On the forward side if you could get Toffoli 1 for 1 for any of Heinen/Bjork/Donato I think you have to consider it, but I wouldn't go much past that. They'd just be selling low at this point. And they should not be trading anything that resembles a center prospect at this time. I think you have to rely on the D and goalies to keep the team competitive until health is on their side.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I like Coyle, but if the B’s acquired him, it would probably be with the idea that he would play RW with Krejci and DeBrusk? He’s got the build of guys that DK typically likes on his wing, but I don’t see Coyle every night, so I’m not sure how good a fit he would be stylistically. Looking at his FO numbers, he’s only been over 50% for the year once and he’s not a full time center. He’s been around 500-600 draws tops which puts him in 4th line C territory, not Top 9.

I guess it would depend on the ask.

i think the idea of him playing center would be temporary thing while Bergeron is out and then he could slide to RW on line 2 once every one is healthy, but I'm not convinced he's much of an upgrade. factor in the cost to acquire and it's a stretch for me.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

btw, for everyone talking about throwing in Heinen to go after middling forwards like Charlie Coyle:


stop looking solely at points. guys go through slumps, it happens. But Heinen has been very good of late and the points are going to come if that line keeps playing like this, especially when the 1st line gets healthy and takes some of the heat off the Krejci line.

 

[shelbysdad]

Last year I proposed a change of scenery trade of Charlie Coyle for Boone Jenner.....fans of both teams hated it, saying their player was worth more....

so not sure what we would have to offer......

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Last year I proposed a change of scenery trade of Charlie Coyle for Boone Jenner.....fans of both teams hated it, saying their player was worth more....

so not sure what we would have to offer......

Bruins have plenty to offer for those players, but you can't overpay for them because you're not acquiring studs here.

 

[Mainehockey33]

If JFK doesn’t really start producing soon, Coyle would be ok for the right price. Worst case scenario he’s probably a good 3C. Wouldn’t want to give up much for him though.

 

[ON3M4N]

If JFK doesn’t really start producing soon, Coyle would be ok for the right price. Worst case scenario he’s probably a good 3C. Wouldn’t want to give up much for him though.

He has 2 goals in his last 3 games

 

[The don godfather]

Heinan value is an all time low. Last year was the best time to sell. Gotta wait till he catches fire again.

 

[HeartsAlive]

Heinan value is an all time low. Last year was the best time to sell. Gotta wait till he catches fire again.

Heinen's all time low value was the 9 months after he was drafted, going from "who?" to "hey this guy might be something". He's 23, in a rut, but still an NHL player. The hyperbole in these threads sometimes....

 

[Blowfish]

Heinan value is an all time low. Last year was the best time to sell. Gotta wait till he catches fire again.

isshhh how longgggggggg will that take?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

If JFK doesn’t really start producing soon, Coyle would be ok for the right price. Worst case scenario he’s probably a good 3C. Wouldn’t want to give up much for him though.

I look at Coyle’s FO numbers and am underwhelmed with the idea of him as a 3C and as RussKW said earlier, I’m not sure he’s much of an upgrade over what the B’s have for 2nd line options now.

If I’m trading a Heinen, Bjork or high end prospect (Donato), I want more of a sure thing as a 2RW.

 

[KlausJopling]

I look at Coyle’s FO numbers and am underwhelmed with the idea of him as a 3C and as RussKW said earlier, I’m not sure he’s much of an upgrade over what the B’s have for 2nd line options now.

If I’m trading a Heinen, Bjork or high end prospect (Donato), I want more of a sure thing as a 2RW.

Agreed. Can’t see trading any of them for someone who hit 20 goals once. Heinen’s rookie year was better than all but one of coyle’s points wise.

 

[PlayMakers]

THEN i repeat why hasn't it happened then, and an absolute NO on Simmonds, you want him, you should've drafted and developed him

No offense, but you're not making any sense.

You asked "why it hasn't happened." I gave you a bunch of reasons why a deal like that could be delayed and your response was "why hasn't it happened."

Make a point or don't say anything at all.

P.S. Putting it in all caps doesn't make it any more coherent.

 

[Mainehockey33]

He has 2 goals in his last 3 games

That’s great, but it doesn’t mean we should rely on him to keep producing this spring.

I look at Coyle’s FO numbers and am underwhelmed with the idea of him as a 3C and as RussKW said earlier, I’m not sure he’s much of an upgrade over what the B’s have for 2nd line options now.

If I’m trading a Heinen, Bjork or high end prospect (Donato), I want more of a sure thing as a 2RW.

I wouldn’t trade any of those players for Coyle. I’m all for getting someone with more skill or a higher ceiling.