Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours '17 - '18 II (post 'em here)

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I think Krug is significantly better than Grz right now, specifically for that proposed blueline when you factor in the lack of offense you will get from Miller/Carlo/Edler/Chara.

Grzelyck has been solid as a #6 defenseman, but lets not lose sight of the fact that he's being used as a #6 defenseman. For 20 games. Development isn't always linear either, as we've seen with Carlo. Also we've been fooled before with mature college defenseman like Trotman, Kampfer, Hunwick, Bartkowski etc. It's going to take more than looking good for 20 games when the team is rolling to sell me.

Krug is only a couple years older. In his 5th season. For his career he averages 20:04 minutes/g and 45 points. He would thrive in that role, like he did as a rookie. He's still pretty youthful and has the experience. Regular season and playoffs. He's a proven difference maker IMO.

Offensively yes.

Grizz time on ice is nearly as much as Krugs if you take away PP time and the time of ice Krug gets in the Overtimes actually Grizz keeps closing the gap.

Teams are trying to match up against Carlo and Krug not Miller and Grizz.

As far those other names you've mention.:laugh: I never saw any promise in any of them they were all fly by the night at the moment defenseman.
 
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no, just no.

Krug would look like a defensive stud too playing 15 min a night against 3rd and 4th lines. Let's see Grzelcyk be able to handle 21 a night against top 6 forwards first.

and to put to rest the 'but Gryz is more physical'...no, he isnt.

First, he's the same height as Krug but 20lbs lighter.

Also,
Krug = 62 hits, 95 blocks pace
Gryz = 30 hits, 52 blocks pace

Defensively, Gryz is more reliable than Krug. This is only 22 game sample, though.

Any defensive trade will depend on Chara's status - will he be re-signed here or not.
 
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I think if you upgrade at 2RW over Spooner and 3C over Nash, maybe get a decent veteran LHD you are clearly a top 4 NHL team. I'm not saying go nuts and deal Carlo and Bjork,. but my 2018 picks are up for grabs and one of my LHD prospects are as well. Add in Spooner and those four items (LHD prospect, 1st and 2nd in '18 or '19, Spooner) should be able to get you some nice pieces for a run.

That being said, if they go as is, I understand, although I would look to upgrade.

I think it's difficult to address all those areas this year, if for no other reason cap space.

I'm with you on not dealing Carlo or Bjork, toss in McAvoy, Heinen, and Debrusk as well. Young cost-controlled assets who are contributing now or next year. I'd also throw JFK in the mix, I think he spends the entire year in Providence and he's in the line-up next year.

I agree on they should be open to dealing any picks from the next 3 drafts.

It's pretty clear what areas the Bruins have and excess of in the prospect pool, they can afford to part with some to bring in help now, i.e. at least one of a top 4 LD or a top 6 RW.
 

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I appreciate you explaining your point of view an opinion in detail, a lot of posters just throw out the premise of trading Krug and that he stinks but offer very little substance as to why they think that way.

But I will still disagree with the premise. Many of the points you make about Krug are accurate, especially when he isn't playing well those flaws in his game are more apparent. But I think the positives he brings to the table far outweigh the negatives that you pointed out in his game. I am a believer that you can cover for a lot of a players flaws with simply the correct partner and some chemistry. Krug isn't so atrocious in his own end that his partner isn't able to help cover up some of his risks as he tries to make a play, and allow Krug to do more of what he does well. In my opinion, Krug played a lot better with McQuaid or Miller as his partner, as these players know each other and have been paired for most of his careers. Krug and Carlo haven't been able to develop that same chemistry and both have looked bad in some very noticeable players.

Now I am not saying the correct move is benching Carlo for McQuaid, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Krug hasn't looked quite the same moved away from Miller or McQuaid. You could also attributes some of Grizz's solid play to having a complementary partner like Miller to allow him to do what he does well. He's still been impressive, but plenty of rookies go through hills and valleys and putting him in a higher spot in the lineup doesn't guarantee he'll deliver the same results.

And my biggest gripe with the Krug detractors is they fail to address how they would replace the very important production he brings to the lineup. 45+ points from the backend and on the powerplay isn't easy production to replace, and I'm not sure any of our LHD prospects have the offensive accuman that Torey Krug brings to the table. Even Grizz, for as solid as he has looked only put up 32 points in the AHL last year so it would be a big leap to say he's ready to assume Krug's powerplay responsibility.

Krug hasn't played well in this recent stretch, either offensively or defensively so it's understandable that people would become dissatisfied with him and look for a move to add a more balanced, defensive player into the top-4. But I think none of the players mentioned as replacements (Scandella, Edler ect) would add as much to the team as a Krug when he is on his game. Add that into his strong character and leadership (yes, I think Krug is a huge part of the chemistry this team has gained) and I think trading him would have a Johnny Boychuk type effect on the locker-room.

Just my opinion though, I know many will disagree.
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Krug did indeed.

Krugs value to the PP is huge but I wouldn't necessary say it couldn't be replaced. McAvoys PP time was nill to none in the early going, the last month or so he's been getting more and I feel Grizz would get plenty of points as he would be playing with NHL superstars on the PP. But besides that the Bruins have Pasta and Krejci who has played at the point on the PP as well. I really don't think Krugs disappearance on the PP would cause a major collapse of the pp actuelly with all the talent they can put out there, I don't think it will miss a beat.

I do agree about what Krug brings offensively but what he brings defensively counter reacts thats to me.

I like Krug but if I can add a more stay at home top 4 defender, Krug is the player Im looking to move. For two reason 1 his salary will free up space to bring in the other top defenseman and 2 there are teams out there who will covet his offensive talent.

In todays NHL it so important to be able to retrieve the puck from your pwn end and head man the puck up ice quickly and I feel McAvoy Carlo and Grizz does this as well or if nit better than Krug and Miller isn't to shabby neither.All of that leads to goals but may not lead to points for the individual but it will help in the Win column.
 
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Offensively yes.

Grizz time on ice is nearly as much as Krugs if you take away PP time and the time of ice Krug gets in the Overtimes actually Grizz keeps closing the gap.

Teams are trying to match up against Carlo and Krug not Miller and Grizz.

As far those other names you've mention.:laugh: I never saw any promise in any of them they were all fly by the night at the moment defenseman.

Wait, so are we just going to remove situations one thrives in? And then shorten the sample size? That's not how it works. If you take away Chara's PK minutes and the minutes he plays at the end of games when defending a lead, Grizz is right there with him!

Short memory, because all of those players had their window of glorification when they first came up on a full time basis. Arguably all of them were thrown into bigger roles than Grzelyck is now. Should note that all are still finding NHL jobs. Even Kampfer. Seems so long ago.

I think he's been great. Exceptional.... in a 3rd pairing role where the team is 15-3-3 since his recall. If they decide to roll with the current six I will be happy as well. It's clearly a good mix. If there's an opportunity to grab a proven all situations top-3 D, I wouldn't hesitate to move him. I don't see top-4 in his future. #5-6 D are dime a dozen and the Bruins are loaded with left shot prospects.
 
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Wait, so are we just going to remove situations one thrives in? And then shorten the sample size? That's not how it works. If you take away Chara's PK minutes and the minutes he plays at the end of games when defending a lead, Grizz is right there with him!

Short memory, because all of those players had their window of glorification when they first came up on a full time basis. Arguably all of them were thrown into bigger roles than Grzelyck is now. Should note that all are still finding NHL jobs. Even Kampfer. Seems so long ago.

I think he's been great. Exceptional.... in a 3rd pairing role where the team is 15-3-3 since his recall. If they decide to roll with the current six I will be happy as well. It's clearly a good mix. If there's an opportunity to grab a proven all situations top-3 D, I wouldn't hesitate to move him. I don't see top-4 in his future. #5-6 D are dime a dozen and the Bruins are loaded with left shot prospects.

Not quite Chara is average 23 minutes. You have your best defenders out there at crunch time and killing a Penalty. The Bruins don't have another Chara they can put out there on the Pk but they can more than fill the void that Krug brings to the PP or with his offensive he brings in OT.

Pp time is glorified time cookie time especially with the offensive talent the Bruins can put on the ice.

The difference is Chara is arguable the best defensman penalty killer there is. Krug extra minutes he gets on the PP isn't even close to being comparable.

Dont get me wrong I like Krug but if there's someone I can move to bring in a better all around d-man its him. Do to his salary and his one dimensional play. I feel he is the easiest way to add a top4 defender, which would improve the defense and not hurt the cap situation.
 
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Not quite Chara is average 23 minutes. You have your best defenders out there at crunch time and killing a Penalty. The Bruins don't have another Chara they can put out there on the Pk but they can more than fill the void that Krug brings to the PP or with his offensive he brings in OT.

Pp time is glorified time cookie time especially with the offensive talent the Bruins can put on the ice.

The difference is Chara is arguable the best defensman penalty killer there is. Krug extra minutes he gets on the PP isn't even close to being comparable.

Dont get me wrong I like Krug but if there's someone I can move to bring in a better all around d-man its him. Do to his salary and his one dimensional play. I feel he is the easiest way to add a top4 defender, which would improve the defense and not hurt the cap situation.

So then Carlo is in the same boat seeing he's a one-demensional defenseman as well? At least you're of the mindset that if Krug is dealt, it's for an upgrade at LHD and not for a forward or something, like I see others constantly proposing.
 

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So then Carlo is in the same boat seeing he's a one-demensional defenseman as well? At least you're of the mindset that if Krug is dealt, it's for an upgrade at LHD and not for a forward or something, like I see others constantly proposing.

Carlo is 21 who has the ability to be the shutdown defenseman and is on an ELC.

So to answer your question...No! Thats is unless somebody knocks Sweeney's socks off with an offer.:laugh:
 
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Not quite Chara is average 23 minutes. You have your best defenders out there at crunch time and killing a Penalty. The Bruins don't have another Chara they can put out there on the Pk but they can more than fill the void that Krug brings to the PP or with his offensive he brings in OT.

Pp time is glorified time cookie time especially with the offensive talent the Bruins can put on the ice.

The difference is Chara is arguable the best defensman penalty killer there is. Krug extra minutes he gets on the PP isn't even close to being comparable.

Dont get me wrong I like Krug but if there's someone I can move to bring in a better all around d-man its him. Do to his salary and his one dimensional play. I feel he is the easiest way to add a top4 defender, which would improve the defense and not hurt the cap situation.

In the 4.5 seasons since Krug has manned the Bruins #1 PP unit (2013-current) the Bruins have the 3rd best PP in the league spanning over about 370 games. The previous 4 seasons (2009-2013), the Bruins had the 5th worst PP. Those were some talented teams too. Also should note that Krug has more PP points than anyone on the team since joining the league. I think it's silly to suggest he's easily replaceable. Special teams matter. He's shown that he can play 5 on 5 as well. He's no more of a specialist or one dimensional than any other defeseman on the team IMO.

You don't need to move him out to upgrade the D. If they do decide to beef up the blueline, Grzelyck will probably be the guy coming out. They could use another lefty who can kill penalties and do everything Grzelyck is doing now.
 

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no, just no.

Krug would look like a defensive stud too playing 15 min a night against 3rd and 4th lines. Let's see Grzelcyk be able to handle 21 a night against top 6 forwards first.

and to put to rest the 'but Gryz is more physical'...no, he isnt.

First, he's the same height as Krug but 20lbs lighter.

Also,
Krug = 62 hits, 95 blocks pace
Gryz = 30 hits, 52 blocks pace

In how many games?? What are their hits per game average? If you're going to base your argument on stats you need to present all the facts.
 

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In how many games?? What are their hits per game average? If you're going to base your argument on stats you need to present all the facts.

Krug averages 0.8 Hits/Gm
Grzelcyk averages 0.4 Hits/Gm

Krug averages 1.05 Blocks/Gm
Grzelcyk averages 1.5 Blocks/Gm

Krug's giveaway/takeaway average is 0.5
Grzleyck's giveaway/takeaway average is 0.6
 

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In the 4.5 seasons since Krug has manned the Bruins #1 PP unit (2013-current) the Bruins have the 3rd best PP in the league spanning over about 370 games. The previous 4 seasons (2009-2013), the Bruins had the 5th worst PP. Those were some talented teams too. Also should note that Krug has more PP points than anyone on the team since joining the league. I think it's silly to suggest he's easily replaceable. Special teams matter. He's shown that he can play 5 on 5 as well. He's no more of a specialist or one dimensional than any other defeseman on the team IMO.

You don't need to move him out to upgrade the D. If they do decide to beef up the blueline, Grzelyck will probably be the guy coming out. They could use another lefty who can kill penalties and do everything Grzelyck is doing now.

The bruins now have McAvoy who can man the pp, Marchand rarely saw PP duty under Juilen nor did Pastrnak which was insane. Krug is a great on the pp and other teams will covet him for that skill but the Bruins are being coached with a lot more freedom to create offense under Cassidy and he actually plays skilled players like Marchy and Pasta on the PP.

Lets take this yr alone since this is the year were talking about. Pastrnak leads the Bruins with 14 pp points followed by Marchands 10, Bergeron9, Heinen 8, Krejci8 and then McAvoy with 6. There's no Krug listed there in the top 6 pt producers on the PP, he's not even the top leading defenseman.

So yes Id say the Bruins can more than fill the void of Krug not being on the PP.
 
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The bruins now have McAvoy who can man the pp, Marchand rarely saw PP duty under Juilen nor did Pastrnak which was insane. Krug is a great on the pp and other teams will covet him for that skill but the Bruins are being coached with a lot more freedom to create offense under Cassidy and he actually plays skilled players like Marchy and Pasta on the PP.

Lets take this yr alone since this is the year were talking about. Pastrnak leads the Bruins with 14 pp points followed by Marchands 10, Bergeron9, Heinen 8, Krejci8 and then McAvoy with 6. There's no Krug listed there in the top 6 pt producers on the PP, he's not even the top leading defenseman.

So yes Id say the Bruins can more than fill the void of Krug not being on the PP.

While Krug may not be one of their top point producers on the PP this season, he's 5th on the team in points, first for defenseman. He has 5 points on the PP, and has played in 36 games. Powerplay PPG for those listed:

Krejci = 0.36 PP-PPG
Marchand = 0.31 PP-PPG
Bergeron = 0.26 PP-PPG
Heinen = 0.22 PP-PPG

McAvoy = 0.15 PP-PPG
Krug = 0.14 PP-PPG

McAvoy has 1 more point in 4 more games. let's not act like he's blowing Krug out of the water in PP point production.
 

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Exactly. The Bruins have been preaching and drafting character for years. Why would they throw that away for that idiot. He can be someone else's problem.
Not saying it should be Kane, but the Bruins do have enough leadership and character in the room, should they choose to bring someone in that has the skills they need, hopefully can reign them in. Not everyone is going to be a model citizen, especially younger players.

I'm not advocating Kane specifically, but more vouching for the leadership and character we have on this team.
 

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While Krug may not be one of their top point producers on the PP this season, he's 5th on the team in points, first for defenseman. He has 5 points on the PP, and has played in 36 games. Powerplay PPG for those listed:

Krejci = 0.36 PP-PPG
Marchand = 0.31 PP-PPG
Bergeron = 0.26 PP-PPG
Heinen = 0.22 PP-PPG

McAvoy = 0.15 PP-PPG
Krug = 0.14 PP-PPG

McAvoy has 1 more point in 4 more games. let's not act like he's blowing Krug out of the water in PP point production.

I believe hes 7th in points and if you want to compare his stats with McAvoy:laugh: I wouldn't McAvoy brings so much more to the table and he hasn't seen nearly as much ice time on the PP as Krug has.

O' Ya by the way I think you left Past off your list.

I like Krug but if I had to move salary and skill out to acquire a need and improve the team he'd be the guy.
 
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Evander Kane is a special case, he's hockey's equivalent of that self-centered, self-absorbed wide receiver in the NFL. All the talent in the world, but he is simply wired to be a major D-bag. That's him, that's Evander Kane. No amount of leadership or mentoring is going to change it.
 
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I believe hes 7th in points and if you want to compare his stats with McAvoy:laugh: I wouldn't McAvoy brings so much more to the table and he hasn't seen nearly as much ice time on the PP as Krug has.

O' Ya by the way I think you left Past off your list.

I like Krug but if I had to move salary and skill out to acquire a need and improve the team he'd be the guy.

What are you talking about? Krug is 5th on the Bruins for points, and 1st for defenseman? Marchand, Pastrnak, Bergeron, Heinen and Krug. Maybe stat check before you make comments. :laugh:

Also, I know that McAvoy brings more to the table than Krug. One is a star #1 defenseman in the making, and the other is a good 2nd pairing offensive defenseman. I'm responding to what the poster brought up.

I'm fine with moving Krug, but moving him for a forward is stupid. Only way it makes sense is if he's included in a deal for an upgrade at the LHD position.
 
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One thing with Grzz versus Krug. Right now Grzz is playing a lot like Zboril is in Providence. He has tamed down any instincts on the offensive zone, and is basically playing as simple as possible a stay at home game. Krug on the other hand is asked to take risks, and is a critical part of the offense, so yes this may lead to him being out of positions at time, or making some bad pinches, because it is the role he is being asked to fulfill.

I'm not sure why a lot of people think Carlo is in for some massive deal when his ELC expires.

Someone is going to have to do some real convincing before I believe that it will come in at more than $3 to $3.25 million.

It all boils down to term. I think your numbers are probably right, and Carlo will sign a 2-3 year deal for 2.75 - 3.33 million

If the Bruins feel that it is in their best interest to try and go 5-6 years with Carlo, then the cost will almost certainly go up to 4+
 

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What are you talking about? Krug is 5th on the Bruins for points, and 1st for defenseman? Marchand, Pastrnak, Bergeron, Heinen and Krug. Maybe stat check before you make comments. :laugh:

Also, I know that McAvoy brings more to the table than Krug. One is a star #1 defenseman in the making, and the other is a good 2nd pairing offensive defenseman. I'm responding to what the poster brought up.

I'm fine with moving Krug, but moving him for a forward is stupid. Only way it makes sense is if he's included in a deal for an upgrade at the LHD position.

Your a real Beauty.:help:

The conversation was about Krugs value on the PP which you brought up. :banghead:
 
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Evander Kane is a special case, he's hockey's equivalent of that self-centered, self-absorbed wide receiver in the NFL. All the talent in the world, but he is simply wired to be a major D-bag. That's him, that's Evander Kane. No amount of leadership or mentoring is going to change it.

I am not tremendously interested in Kane, although maybe if the price drops, No way do I give up a #1 and a top prospect.

In general I hate Kane and want him no where near the team. He is a UFA this year and playing for a big contract, SO on this rare occasion you might actually see him give consistent effort in the playoffs so he can get a fat contract, and poop all over his next team
 
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