Post-Game Talk: bruins @ Rongos

[Off Sides]

They just played the three most Torts like games they possibly could have, If we want them to suck defensively and be good offensively we should be looking for AV.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I honestly don’t know how you watch these games and don’t come away absolutely stoked about how Kakko is playing.

The only explanations for not being happy with his play is either you didn’t watch the game and just checked the stat sheet or you legitimately don’t understand hockey so you don’t see his good play and just see think “well he didn’t score so he played badly” which isn’t true.

He was all over the place, tons of chances, lots of great cycling. Literally looking like he’s going to score every time he has the puck in the offensive zone. After struggling so much last year idk how you’re not extremely encouraged with his play this year. He looks like a guy who’s going to be scoring every game by the end of the season.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah, I don't want to relive Torts. People blocking shots with their faces. The ghost of Brian Boyle getting 20 minutes a night while mishandling every other puck.

I had my fill...

Honestly this team is playing better defense than that 2011-2012 team. The difference is goaltending. That team would caved in terms of possession more than this one, at least according to the eye test. Maybe the numbers don't bear that out, but I think that team was overrated defensively. They had a bunch of grinders that played sound defense, Girardi during his best season, Staal before he got the puck in the eye, and McDonagh, but I swear that team seemed like their primary defensive strategy is blocking shots, it was especially bad in the playoffs. They just had a HOF goalie who played at his absolute best level. That said shockingly that team somehow had an offense light years better than this offense and they were like middle of the road. They're absolute garbage now.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

coaches in this division: Cassidy, Laviolette, Trotz... and then AV and Ruff who maybe aren't at that level but have tons of experience and have had success in this league. Then we're sitting here with Quinn. We're already in the red before the puck even drops.

In an ideal world you would bring someone like Tom Renney. Someone who can give them some sort of structure, and plays well with youth.

But, we don't have a Jagr to help carry the offensive load...

 

[Synergy27]

No, that would be HORRIBLE asset managment at this point. What do you figure the value of Kakko is right now?

How can you say that a hypothetical proposal concept is horrible asset management? That assessment would have to be based entirely on the specifics.

I’ve been screaming into the void about this for months, but winning the Laf lottery changes the dynamics surrounding the Kakko pick big time. If he can be used to return a player of similar age/caliber who plays center you absolutely need to explore the idea given the current roster construction. The problem is, given the early returns on Kakko (recent unrewarded play notwithstanding), he’s not returning a Dach, Cozens, or Zegras.

This wouldn’t necessarily be the case if Panarin and Kreider weren’t signed to long term deals but they are.

It’s foolish to not link the lack of goals scored to the lack of good centers. Very, very difficult to manufacture goals in this league from the wings.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

In an ideal world you would bring someone like Tom Renney. Someone who can give them some sort of structure, and plays well with youth.

But, we don't have a Jagr to help carry the offensive load...

i mean... Panarin isn't a bad next best thing. Also that Rongos team had zero talent outside of Jagr and Henrik. I'd like to think this team has better talent than that.

 

[bl02]

I honestly don’t know how you watch these games and don’t come away absolutely stoked about how Kakko is playing.

The only explanations for not being happy with his play is either you didn’t watch the game and just checked the stat sheet or you legitimately don’t understand hockey so you don’t see his good play and just see think “well he didn’t score so he played badly” which isn’t true.

He was all over the place, tons of chances, lots of great cycling. Literally looking like he’s going to score every time he has the puck in the offensive zone. After struggling so much last year idk how you’re not extremely encouraged with his play this year. He looks like a guy who’s going to be scoring every game by the end of the season.

He looks miles better than last year no doubt. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the speed to create much separation in the o zone. Hopefully, he becomes a top big power forward with really good hands in tight spaces.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I honestly don’t know how you watch these games and don’t come away absolutely stoked about how Kakko is playing.

The only explanations for not being happy with his play is either you didn’t watch the game and just checked the stat sheet or you legitimately don’t understand hockey so you don’t see his good play and just see think “well he didn’t score so he played badly” which isn’t true.

He was all over the place, tons of chances, lots of great cycling. Literally looking like he’s going to score every time he has the puck in the offensive zone. After struggling so much last year idk how you’re not extremely encouraged with his play this year. He looks like a guy who’s going to be scoring every game by the end of the season.

Here's what concerns me. Obviously a player like Buchnevich doesn't have the pedigree but there were times he would make you drool at his potential when he was young. He just never became a finisher or even a prolific set up man. He's just a decent middle 6 player that has never lived up to his potential. The fear is that Kakko is going to be one of those guys that does everything right but his offense never shows up and that's a bitter pill to swallow for a #2 overall pick, and supposedly a strong one at that.

 

[will1066]

Babcock is free

 

[Edge]

We’re losing because of Mika Zibanejad anything else is silly. He’s THE guy. The Powerplay the mins the wings are dead next to him. We’re losing one goal games and our best player and IMO he was our best player last year and number one center has 1 goal.

we’re the youngest team in the league if the vets don’t produce it’s asking a lot out of the kids to hold it together.

Strome sucks. We know that. Chytil is hurt. Mika has to put up points get his wingers involved he’s trying to sign a 10 mil contract? These losses are on him. Sorry but that’s reality

Agreed.

Right now the Rangers most productive centers are Stroke and Rooney. I mean let's think about that for second. Chytil is out. Zibanejad might as well be out. Howden is a fourth liner.

That is a killer.

Then you have Panarin out. There's another ball shot.

Right now Zibanejad is doing nothing but feeding the internal organizational concerns about signing him to a long term deal. And if he doesn't snap out of it, the Rangers are boned, and he's going to be playing himself right out of NY.

 

[pblawr]

They're the youngest team in the league by a full year and they're neck-and-neck with the best team in the league. What do you think that's going to look like in a year or two? Some people here either have unrealistic expectations or are just determined to be unhappy.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

i mean... Panarin isn't a bad next best thing. Also that Rongos team had zero talent outside of Jagr and Henrik. I'd like to think this team has better talent than that.

It was really the Jagr line, Prucha, and Hank. Nylander and Straka were good players. Nylander would easily be our best center this year.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Agreed.

Right now the Rangers most productive centers are Stroke and Rooney. I mean let's think about that for second. Chytil is out. Zibanejad might as well be out. Howden is a fourth liner.

That is a killer.

Then you have Panarin out. There's another ball shot.

Right now Zibanejad is doing nothing but feeding the internal organizational concerns about signing him to a long term deal. And if he doesn't snap out of it, the Rangers are boned, and he's going to be playing himself right out of NY.

I'm just really confused. Did his Covid after effects just disappear last game and reappear today? Because last game other than the finish he looked like vintage Mika. Hell, looked decent in the first today I thought too.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Babcock is free

Hopefully he stays that way

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Babcock is free

Babcock is great, but this team ain't ready for a guy like him. You need strong leadership to mesh with his personality.

He is a brutal SOB, and could be horrible for young inexperienced players..

 

[bl02]

They're the youngest team in the league by a full year and they're neck-and-neck with the best team in the league. What do you think that's going to look like in a year or two? Some people here either have unrealistic expectations or are just determined to be unhappy.

Ok but I wanna see us trounce the devils 5-1 tuesday

 

[Edge]

They're the youngest team in the league by a full year and they're neck-and-neck with the best team in the league. What do you think that's going to look like in a year or two? Some people here either have unrealistic expectations or are just determined to be unhappy.

That goes back to my belief that I can see what is emerging, but we aren't there yet.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Here's what concerns me. Obviously a player like Buchnevich doesn't have the pedigree but there were times he would make you drool at his potential when he was young. He just never became a finisher or even a prolific set up man. He's just a decent middle 6 player that has never lived up to his potential. The fear is that Kakko is going to be one of those guys that does everything right but his offense never shows up and that's a bitter pill to swallow for a #2 overall pick, and supposedly a strong one at that.

Yeah that’s definitely fair. But I think it’s too soon to be worried about him topping out as a middle 6 winger. And honestly if he becomes a slightly better Buchnevich that could end up being just fine for us. A Landeskog level player.

I know we all want him to be a 90 point player but if he becomes a consistent 65 point guy who has a PPG season or two at his peak, I think that’s okay.

Regardless, I’m very encouraged by his play this season.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, everyone's favorite Carter Hart has a 3.49 GAA 0.897 save% compared to Igor's 2.16 GAA and 0.922 save %. I know I get on him because I'm physically pained when he gives up a goal like today and it's the difference but overall he's been the best player on this team not named Fox or Panarin.

 

[Off Sides]

I'll go with Kreider was just as bad as Zbad if not worse.

 

[Synergy27]

I honestly don’t know how you watch these games and don’t come away absolutely stoked about how Kakko is playing.

The only explanations for not being happy with his play is either you didn’t watch the game and just checked the stat sheet or you legitimately don’t understand hockey so you don’t see his good play and just see think “well he didn’t score so he played badly” which isn’t true.

He was all over the place, tons of chances, lots of great cycling. Literally looking like he’s going to score every time he has the puck in the offensive zone. After struggling so much last year idk how you’re not extremely encouraged with his play this year. He looks like a guy who’s going to be scoring every game by the end of the season.

This is all true, but at the same time, he still choked on a super prime scoring chance and fumbled the puck several times on plays that could have been dangerous.

There was a play early in the first where he mishandled a cross ice pass (the pass was admittedly imperfect, but you see other players handle it).

He missed a one timer from Panarin early in the last game.

He has absolutely, 100% no bullshit improved dramatically from last year, but the lack of results is still as much due to his own play in the end game as it is to defenseman/goalies/luck not cooperating.

 

[Kovalev27]

Doesn’t help there are no easy nights or goalies in this division either.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah that’s definitely fair. But I think if it’s too soon to be worried about him topping out as a middle 6 winger. And honestly if he becomes a slightly better Buchnevich that could end up being just fine for us. A Landeskog level player.

I know we all want him to be a 90 point player but if he becomes a consistent 65 point guy who has a PPG season or two at his peak, I think that’s okay.

Regardless, I’m very encouraged by his play this season.

Yeah, me too. He started off slowly and now he's driving play out there and making great plays. That first period that line looked amazing. I honestly think we should keep it together and move Panarin with Mika.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

In regards to Quinn, the chances of him getting sacked are pretty much zero during this season.

I don't think the expectations are all that high internally. Especially when you had Davidson saying "we aren't a competitive team yet".

If Quinn is sacked, it will be over the summer.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

This is all true, but at the same time, he still choked on a super prime scoring chance and fumbled the puck several times on plays that could have been dangerous.

There was a play early in the first where he mishandled a cross ice pass (the pass was admittedly imperfect, but you see other players handle it).

He missed a one timer from Panarin early in the last game.

He has absolutely, 100% no bullshit improved dramatically from last year, but the lack of results is still as much due to his own play in the end game as it is to defenseman/goalies/luck not cooperating.

Yeah for sure he had a few plays that he fumbled that could’ve been goals. I look at it like last season he wouldn’t have even been in those positions to have those chances. And by next year he’ll be burying them every time.