Bruins + Crosby & Price carried team canada

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Also people who watched the games.

Yes I was at the games and you see a lot more in terms of play away from the puck. Toews was awesome, best player on the ice in a couple of the games, and an obvious leader out there. And the hockey IQ on the play he made for the winning goal was something else.

Is anyone seriously suggesting that Toews didn't make a significant contribution to this win? :shakehead

Having said that, it's inarguable that one of TC's greatest strengths is its depth. Different guys stepped up on different nights. The fact of the matter is that no team could keep this team shut down for even one game. They were explosive and demonstrated beyond all doubt that no matter how bad they looked for parts of games (and from where I sat they looked plenty bad), they were the class of this field. And even when they were playing at their worst, they did not give up seriously horrible looks to the other team often nor did they permit rebounds. There were a lot of perimeter chances by other teams, particularly Europe, but not much in the way of truly open looks (except for those three breakaways allowed vs. Europe lol). Guys were blocking shots and the coverage overall was still better than any other team's. And their Corsi even in the worst game they played (game 2) was still miles ahead of their opponent. Finally, to come back and score twice within the last three minutes when everything was on the line demonstrated their quality, beyond any doubt.
 
He played well in his role. But who else but Toews gets posters coming in and pumping his tires to the level of a player who doubled him in points or the player who scored four goals in the SF and Final.

The Crosby line was great, Toews has a case for 4th best forward. Congrats to him!

Who else but Toews gets haters constantly using plain point arithmetic to rank skaters ahead of him, who had tangibly worse possession (proven highest correlation to winning), tangibly far easier deployment both in QoC and zone starts, and oh yeah literally watching Toews 1v3 shorthanded for the winning play. He has a strong case for best or 2nd best forward, it's not really provable how Bergeron/Crosby/Marchand would've done with Toews' deployment and vice versa.
 
...as many have already noted, Canada's defence, which is usually their strongest suit, was a significant weak link the entire tournament:


Doughty constantly tried to do too much and just ended up turning over pucks or killing plays, especially in the Finals...
Weber's slowed down and was poorly used to boot; not using his cannon on the PP was ridiculous...
Vlasic's a defensive Dman first, not a puck-mover; pairing him with Weber was a mistake...
Burns, while he had a great year, is not what Canada needed from a RH puck-mover; there are better options available...
Pietrangelo was mediocre at best and is still living off his reputation at the World Juniors; it's time to get over this mind boggling love for him...
Bouwmeester shouldn't make Canada's 2nd tier team, if they ever put one together...having him take a spot from a dozen more deserving Dmen is a ****ing joke...
Muzzin??...really??...Muzzin??...gimme a break...
No Keith available really hurt and Subban & Letang both should have been on the team; Canada couldn't move the puck worth a damn with the defence Babcock put together...

...everyone praises Babcock as a coaching genius, but in this tourney he handcuffed his own team with the mediocre defence and his mindboggling usage of them...also, Claude Giroux's minimal usage was a terrible decision...Babcock made it far harder on Canada than any of the opposition did, imo...

Giroux looked like the weakest link in both the games he played. He looked just as out of place as Muzzin and I'm not surprised he was left off the Sochi roster after this tournament.
 
Who else but Toews gets haters constantly using plain point arithmetic to rank skaters ahead of him, who had tangibly worse possession (proven highest correlation to winning), tangibly far easier deployment both in QoC and zone starts, and oh yeah literally watching Toews 1v3 shorthanded for the winning play. He has a strong case for best or 2nd best forward, it's not really provable how Bergeron/Crosby/Marchand would've done with Toews' deployment and vice versa.

Well....we know Marchand is a winger so that's moot. We know bergeron is better than Toews when it comes to head on matchups based on the stats we love to quote....and I am sure Crosby would love to feast on weaker defensive players and 2nd pairing defenseman. Now...how would Toews do playing against the other teams top defensive players? I doubt he gets 10pts in 6 games and dominates the way Crosby did.

Toews was at best...the 4th best forward on TC
 
Well....we know Marchand is a winger so that's moot. We know bergeron is better than Toews when it comes to head on matchups based on the stats we love to quote....and I am sure Crosby would love to feast on weaker defensive players and 2nd pairing defenseman. Now...how would Toews do playing against the other teams top defensive players? I doubt he gets 10pts in 6 games and dominates the way Crosby did.

Toews was at best...the 4th best forward on TC

All that stuff is bs misinformation. Toews played the most against kopitar hossa tatar josi yesterday. By far the top line and top dman of opposing team. Crosby line played much weaker dmen and forwards and got ozone starts. Just like all tournament.
 
Crosby, Bergeron, Marchand, Price, and Toews carried the team. The defense did what they had to do and all played well, although Bouwmeester had a few too many brain-dead moments to be on a TC.

Rest of the forwards were average. A lot of these players need icetime to get into the groove. Funny enough, I think both Marchand and Bergeron could've been players that would've done well with lesser ice time, but they both were among the best of players of the tournaments so that would've made little sense.


Great post! Only tiny thing I'd add is that I thought Tavares did well with the minutes he had. Other than that and one good game from Duchene the rest of the forwards looked pedestrian. Even the other forwards on Toews' line didn't really look that good, they seemed to blow a lot of good chances.
 
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No, HF fashion would be to over rate every single thing Toews does, while he was important, he really wasn't a huge factor in the tournament. It was carried by Crosby's line, Price coming up big when they needed him to and the Defense being solid at defense (crap at offense though).

Also, I notice it's mainly Hawks fans saying "What about Toews! What about Toews!"


The bolded is pure ignorance at its finest.

Toews was the very definition of a "huge factor" in the tournament, he was a monster game in game out.
 
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And Toews was meh...Didn't really notice him out there most of the time. Had a few nice plays but wasn't even in the top 5 best players for TC this tourney.


lol, somoene doesn't know hockey. Toes was one of the most dominant players in the tournament, first guy over the boards for Team Canada in just about every situation. Guy's a possession and shut down monster and oh yea, was one of TC's leading scorers.
 
Who else but Toews gets haters constantly using plain point arithmetic to rank skaters ahead of him, who had tangibly worse possession (proven highest correlation to winning), tangibly far easier deployment both in QoC and zone starts, and oh yeah literally watching Toews 1v3 shorthanded for the winning play. He has a strong case for best or 2nd best forward, it's not really provable how Bergeron/Crosby/Marchand would've done with Toews' deployment and vice versa.

Putting the ****ing puck in the net at twice the rate is the proven highest correlation to winning. And the Crosby line drew the other team's best d-pairing and still dominated more offensively. It's just as likely Toews scores less than 5 points.
 
lol, somoene doesn't know hockey. Toes was one of the most dominant players in the tournament, first guy over the boards for Team Canada in just about every situation. Guy's a possession and shut down monster and oh yea, was one of TC's leading scorers.

Can you post a video of Toews highlights showing this crazy possession monster that you described? I'd love to see.

Again...Toews was a top 5 forward for the team....but he didn't dominate.
 
Putting the ****ing puck in the net at twice the rate is the proven highest correlation to winning. And the Crosby line drew the other team's best d-pairing and still dominated more offensively. It's just as likely Toews scores less than 5 points.

False misinformation. Toews matched up vs Josi, by far team europes best dman on top of kopitar hossa tatar. Crosby did ok vs nielsen and sekera tho.

Also you still dont seem to understand the concept of goal differential. Preventing the other teams only hyperelite line from scoring via dominating possession is actually what correlates to wins.
 
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Can you post a video of Toews highlights showing this crazy possession monster that you described? I'd love to see.

Again...Toews was a top 5 forward for the team....but he didn't dominate.

Wuss crosby had to dodge the tough matchups this tourney and put up his highlights vs the tobias rieders of the world. Toews had to make do against kopitar and josi and still came up with the winning play 1v3 shorthanded. Im sure you saw that one on the highlights. :laugh:
 
LOL Toews is a bum compared to Crosby. Its that simple. If the guy had maybe half of the Pressure Crosby faces with the media, expectations, International, etc, he would crumble.. Hell, Toews is lucky to ride the Coattails even on his own team when other team focuses on shutting down Kane and is also lucky to play with a stud like Hossa on his line. Come back and talk to me when Toews crosses that 70 point barrier in the regular season...:laugh:
 
Also you still dont seem to understand the concept of goal differential. Preventing the other teams only hyperelite line from scoring via dominating possession is actually what correlates to wins.

Crosby 10 points, plus 8 vs. Toews 5 points, plus 6 .........mmmm
 
Wuss crosby had to dodge the tough matchups this tourney and put up his highlights vs the tobias rieders of the world. Toews had to make do against kopitar and josi and still came up with the winning play 1v3 shorthanded. Im sure you saw that one on the highlights. :laugh:

Come on... Crosby is just in another league compared to Toews... And at almost $2m less cap hit too! :laugh:

Toews had a great tournament, there is no shame if the Bergeron - Crosby - Marchand line was the absolute best. There is no shame in coming second to them, you should be able to enjoy that.
 
Come on... Crosby is just in another league compared to Toews... And at almost $2m less cap hit too! :laugh:

Toews had a great tournament, there is no shame if the Bergeron - Crosby - Marchand line was the absolute best. There is no shame in coming second to them, you should be able to enjoy that.

Absolute best lmao! Homerism at it again. To restate the obvious, that line played against tobias rieder the most and 40 year old chara. Meanwhile toews line played against kopitar and josi, two top 20ish players in the world. Hilarious to brag about a few points against such pitifully weaker competition. Babcock wisely used toews all tournament against the one line of elite nhlers on the other teams, knowing he could handle it far better than crosby and bruins. And he was right. these same bruins fans will turn around and argue for qoc when talking about bergeron on bruins then only look at points when hes facing soft soft matchups in these tournies. Too funny
 
Absolute best lmao! Homerism at it again. To restate the obvious, that line played against tobias rieder the most and 40 year old chara. Meanwhile toews line played against kopitar and josi, two top 20ish players in the world. Hilarious to brag about a few points against such pitifully weaker competition. Babcock wisely used toews all tournament against the one line of elite nhlers on the other teams, knowing he could handle it far better than crosby and bruins. And he was right. these same bruins fans will turn around and argue for qoc when talking about bergeron on bruins then only look at points when hes facing soft soft matchups in these tournies. Too funny

If I got the memo correctly, Bergeron-Crosby-Marchand just played against beer leaguers, while Toews battled against Norse gods. Gotcha. :)
 
Like i said, Toews is a bum compared to Crosby...

Ask the Blackhawks to trade Toews for Crosby and they'd do that deal so fast, our heads would spin..
 
If I got the memo correctly, Bergeron-Crosby-Marchand just played against beer leaguers, while Toews battled against Norse gods. Gotcha. :)

call it whatever you will. The gap between kopitar line/josi and rieder/nielsen/grandpa chara is massive and makes simplistic points counting laughable.
 
Absolute best lmao! Homerism at it again. To restate the obvious, that line played against tobias rieder the most and 40 year old chara. Meanwhile toews line played against kopitar and josi, two top 20ish players in the world. Hilarious to brag about a few points against such pitifully weaker competition. Babcock wisely used toews all tournament against the one line of elite nhlers on the other teams, knowing he could handle it far better than crosby and bruins. And he was right. these same bruins fans will turn around and argue for qoc when talking about bergeron on bruins then only look at points when hes facing soft soft matchups in these tournies. Too funny

The Crosby line was Canada's #1 line nobody is realistically disputing it.
 

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