Proposal: Bruins+Canes

[BruinGod]

I was thinking of a trade surrounding Ryan Spooner for Jeff Skinner. With all of the talk of Julien not being happy with Spooner's performance of late. Both players are struggling right now maybe a change of scenery will work.. I like Spooners upside a lot better than Skinner, but what you guys think?

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[Vatican Roulette]

Carolina would want more than Spooner.

I'm guessing they wouldn't want Spooner as the centerpiece either.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Skinner is struggling right now? If 20 points in 22 games is struggling then I wish more of our forwards could struggle like he does.

No interest in trading Skinner. He's been great this year for us. This deal makes no sense whatsoever for the canes.

 

[Unsustainable]

Skinner has been playing a complete game and has been showing leardership skills, our leading points and goal scorer also. Don't see how he's struggling.

 

[Roboturner913]

I like Spooner but even at his best, he's not even near Skinner, who by the way, is the opposite of struggling.

 

[GoldiFox]

Skinner is tied for 14th in the league in P/GP. Pray for him yall #pray4skinner

 

[garnetpalmetto]

At the risk of piling on here, Skinner's been one of the most consistent offensive threats we've had and has established himself, at least among the fanbase, as the favorite to next wear the captain's "C" here in Raleigh. I think this is a case of OP seeing Skinner not perform up to par last night (whiffing on two breakaways and in the shootout) and using it to draw the false conclusion that he's been struggling. But like Cardiac_Canes said, if Skins is struggling, if only the rest of the forwards could struggle.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

No from the Canes. My last post was about Skinner being a star (ironic, I know), and while Spooner is a fine 2/3C with 2C upside, Skinner is a legit 1st line winger who could score 35 goals this year.

 

[mikelvl]

Good Lord, when the Bruins fans like myself are saying that this trade would be insane for Carolina.....I'll be polite and say this wouldn't even happen in a fantasy hockey league.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

#prayforskinner

I'm also open to Jaccob Slavin for Adam McQuaid.

 

[DaveG]

The rationale for this proposal couldn't be any more off base if it tried.

 

[nmbr_24]

This is not proper value for Carolina and I am a Bruins fan. I also think Spooner is a good player but he is just so much better when he is playing center, as a winger he is a pretty poor return for Skinner.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

This is not proper value for Carolina and I am a Bruins fan. I also think Spooner is a good player but he is just so much better when he is playing center, as a winger he is a pretty poor return for Skinner.

Skinner is better but that concussion history is alarming. Bruins need a top 4 deeman bigtime, Spooner could be involved as a piece in it. If you want McQuaid it is very doable, he is worthless to the Bruins now with Kevan Miller back and every other deeman outplaying him. Just a pick would be fine.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Bruins fans always offering rejects. McQuaid, Miller hold no trade value, Spooner is nothing special.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Skinner is better but that concussion history is alarming. Bruins need a top 4 deeman bigtime, Spooner could be involved as a piece in it. If you want McQuaid it is very doable, he is worthless to the Bruins now with Kevan Miller back and every other deeman outplaying him. Just a pick would be fine.

If by alarming you mean overblown, then yes. He's had all of 3 in his career:


Concussion #1 - Concussed on 12/7/11 (@ EDM). Returned on 1/15/12. Out 16 games/37 days.

Concussion #2 - Concussed on 2/14/13 (vs TOR). Returned on 2/28/13. Out 5 games/12 days.

Concussion #3 - Concussed on 10/5/14 (@ WSH). Returned on 10/21/14. Out 4 games/15 days.

I know people love to make hay of cherry picked .gifs - most of those didn't result in concussion and Skinner has absolutely gotten better about skating with his head up. Out of a possible 481 NHL games, Skinner has played in 441 of them, or northwards of 98% of them. That's nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

If by alarming you mean overblown, then yes. He's had all of 3 in his career:


Concussion #1 - Concussed on 12/7/11 (@ EDM). Returned on 1/15/12. Out 16 games/37 days.

Concussion #2 - Concussed on 2/14/13 (vs TOR). Returned on 2/28/13. Out 5 games/12 days.

Concussion #3 - Concussed on 10/5/14 (@ WSH). Returned on 10/21/14. Out 4 games/15 days.

I know people love to make hay of cherry picked .gifs - most of those didn't result in concussion and Skinner has absolutely gotten better about skating with his head up. Out of a possible 481 NHL games, Skinner has played in 441 of them, or northwards of 98% of them. That's nothing to sneeze at.

You may want to see your math again.

But yes, you're right it seems to be overblown - but in a way, it's mostly because of how concussions can work sometimes. They're so freaky and you can't really predict anything regarding symptoms/sensibility/vulnerability that may occur later.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

You may want to see your math again.

But yes, you're right it seems to be overblown - but in a way, it's mostly because of how concussions can work sometimes. They're so freaky and you can't really predict anything regarding symptoms/sensibility/vulnerability that may occur later.

This is why I was a liberal arts major Thanks for the catch - 441/481 comes out to 91.68% - still not awful though.

And in a way you're right but that also means it could literally happen to anybody - Skinner's been asymptomatic. He doesn't have to wear a tinted visor or prismatic glasses or anything like that. It's at the point where doubters/detractors are asking for a negative to be proven which is just impossible to do.

 

[Roboturner913]

It's like 92% but whatever. Not many of those are recent.

Skinner's really come into his own as a two-way guy and is usually the most dynamic player on the ice. It's also starting to look like he's got a real good chance at the captaincy.

There was a time when a quantity-for-quality trade may have worked to get him but it's looking more and more like those days are over.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

this thread gave skinner another concussion

rip in peace

 

[nmbr_24]

Bruins fans always offering rejects. McQuaid, Miller hold no trade value, Spooner is nothing special.

Spooner is a good player who scores at almost the same rate as Skinner when he is played at center. Skinner's best year is 5 points better than Spooner's best year. Spooner is more of a playmaker and Skinner is more of a goal scorer. Spooner has scored at .573 ppg so far and Skinner has scored at .638 ppg so far. Skinner has gotten all kinds or top line minutes while Spooner has primarily played in the bottom six except for filling in for Krejci when he was injured last year and a stint on Krejci's wing this year. When Spooner was given more ice time and played center he scored at a .764 ppg clip.

I have already said I think Skinner has more value but your post is over the top in the other direction from the OP's post.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

this thread gave skinner another concussion

rip in peace

good one

 

[Joe McGrath]

Spooner is a good player who scores at almost the same rate as Skinner when he is played at center. Skinner's best year is 5 points better than Spooner's best year. Spooner is more of a playmaker and Skinner is more of a goal scorer. Spooner has scored at .573 ppg so far and Skinner has scored at .638 ppg so far. Skinner has gotten all kinds or top line minutes while Spooner has primarily played in the bottom six except for filling in for Krejci when he was injured last year and a stint on Krejci's wing this year. When Spooner was given more ice time and played center he scored at a .764 ppg clip.

I have already said I think Skinner has more value but your post is over the top in the other direction from the OP's post.

This is the first season Skinner has played on the first line (save for the end of last season when Eric Staal was traded). Not so coincidentally he's scoring at almost a PPG pace.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I was thinking of a trade surrounding Ryan Spooner for Jeff Skinner. With all of the talk of Julien not being happy with Spooner's performance of late. Both players are struggling right now maybe a change of scenery will work.. I like Spooners upside a lot better than Skinner, but what you guys think?

I'm curious, how is Skinner struggling?

Skinner is the better player with the higher upside, and it's not really close. He's been the Canes best forward by far and has really come into his own as a leader.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I was thinking of a trade surrounding Ryan Spooner for Jeff Skinner. With all of the talk of Julien not being happy with Spooner's performance of late. Both players are struggling right now maybe a change of scenery will work.. I like Spooners upside a lot better than Skinner, but what you guys think?

I don't think skinner is worth the cap hit... but Carolina has 10 times more to complain about with your suggestion than we do.

just because of the havoc it would wreck on our payroll, id turn the deal down for boston and look at a more short term rental for spooner.

our long term plans will be filled out by a couple kids that need to break into the lineup as early as starting next year. we have already committed big dollars to Bergeron, krecji. marchand, backes to be our big ticket items up front. once pastrnak joins them on his next deal there simply is no room for a 6th guy in the 6 mill tax bracket.

if you want a guy making 6 mill like skinner... pick one that is currently making 6 mill to get rid of.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I don't think skinner is worth the cap hit... but Carolina has 10 times more to complain about with your suggestion than we do.

just because of the havoc it would wreck on our payroll, id turn the deal down for boston and look at a more short term rental for spooner.

our long term plans will be filled out by a couple kids that need to break into the lineup as early as starting next year. we have already committed big dollars to Bergeron, krecji. marchand, backes to be our big ticket items up front. once pastrnak joins them on his next deal there simply is no room for a 6th guy in the 6 mill tax bracket.

if you want a guy making 6 mill like skinner... pick one that is currently making 6 mill to get rid of.

He's a career 30 goal scorer. How is he not worth 5.75M?