Brooks claimed by Jets

[TheScandal89]

I'm not happy with this, I thought the more comfortable he got the better he'd become and hopefully become our 3rd Line Centre in a couple of years.

If you look at his career hes started slow at every level and then gotten better. Would that happen in the NHL? Who knows but we won't find out now. Most likely he won't but if he becomes Verhaghe 2.0 its gonna be a disaster.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Age matters, because a 25 year old is closer to being a finished product than a 22 year old. It's a nonsensical comparison. Liljegren may not be ready for a full time roster spot yet, but there's a reasonable chance he will be in future.

People are free to criticize Dubas all they want. This just seems an odd thing to fixate on

The most posted sentence on HF.

 

[Menzinger]

your right the decision was probably made due to the 18/19 season when he scored 1g in 5 games which was the only other time he played in the NHL

Or more realistically the team/scouts had a deeper profile on the guy dating back several years. Especially considering he was familiar by both coach and GM since his days in juniors...

Not every decision is going to be made with a short term memory

 

[Menzinger]

Very high on Bunting myself have him down for 20 goals 20 assists floor.

At the end of the day it's unfair to pick and choose thresholds. 21 games is still a small sample. Brooks 4 in 11 earned him a bottom 6 role over Amadios career AHL numbers and pre-season performance against AHL lineups. He's more of a mystery than Amadio, so why not? We can recover an Amadio if the gamble fails.

Buntings small sample (21) gets him a top 6 run.
Brooks even smaller sample gets him a bottom 6 run.

Consistent yes?

Sure, though I'd imagine they took more info into consideration on what to do with each guy than just their goal scoring

Edit:typo

 

[zeke]

You're forgetting we're discussing non blue chip players.

Given the criteria of the players, you wouldn't make this trade. That's my point.

So I ask again, why is Amadio worth not giving Brooks a chance when we can always find another Amadio?

I don't get it. Amadio is better than Brooks.

 

[zeke]

your probably right since i guess only Dubas can make roster decisions on tiny sample sizes with a player with who had an unsustainable shooting % on his previous team

Actually Dubas is looking at Bunting's impressive underlying numbers, which came against legit top 6 competition in legit top 6 minutes, not at all similar to Brooks' poor underlying numbers in very sheltered 4th line minutes.

 

[zeke]

I've decided to agree to disagree and cut from here.

I just can't fathom how in a case of two depth players, actual NHL goals could be sacrificed just to have better AHL numbers to compare to a dime a dozen depth player.

I don't think you actually have an answer to why Amadio is worth not staying the course with Brooks when Brooks earned it. Pre season games were very easy as well.

I love our management too doesn't mean I have to blindly agree with everything they do.

Anyways cheers onto the new season we go.

If you can't understand it I suggest that you try really really hard to figure out why hundreds of pro games is more useful than 10gms of impossible shooting percentages.

 

[zeke]

So you watch the games like we all do. See how Simmonds plays game in and game out, and decided you didn't like him.

Then, after watching All for Nothing and looking at stats, you decide you don't mind the player?

So when you watch him this season on the ice, presumably doing the same things you hated last year, you'll actually be swayed because of spreadsheets?

Yep I'll readily admit that my eye test can't perfectly discern the defensive effectiveness of every borderline player on the roster.

And I have no problem admitting that a rare behind the scenes look like All or Nothing can give me a fresh perspective in which players' intangibles may be overrated or underrated.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Yep I'll readily admit that my eye test can't perfectly discern the defensive effectiveness of every borderline player on the roster.

And I have no problem admitting that a rare behind the scenes look like All or Nothing can give me a fresh perspective in which players' intangibles may be overrated or underrated.

Thank you. I now understand why you take the position you do.

 

[zeke]

Thank you. I now understand why you take the position you do.

You're welcome, ace scout.

 

[Stephen]

Not sure how All or Nothing presented fresh and interesting takes on Simmonds, but definitely nothing wrong with coming around on a guy who enters his second year in the organization for no rational reason other than familiarity. Hell, I don't even mind Michael Hutchinson anymore.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Very high on Bunting myself have him down for 20 goals 20 assists floor.

At the end of the day it's unfair to pick and choose thresholds. 21 games is still a small sample. Brooks 4 in 11 earned him a bottom 6 role over Amadios career AHL numbers and pre-season performance against AHL lineups. He's more of a mystery than Amadio, so why not? We can recover an Amadio if the gamble fails.

Buntings small sample (21) gets him a top 6 run.
Brooks even smaller sample gets him a bottom 6 run.

Consistent yes?

A lot of that likely has to do with Bunting looking significantly better than Brooks in preseason. Brooks was fine, but he looked like a AAAA player in preseason. Amadio outplayed him as a fellow AAAA-type player, which is likely why he won the spot, and Bunting looked like a legit top 6 guy in preseason. We will see if that continues, but when they have a small sample size, the preseason does a lot in breaking those ties. Brooks lost the tie-breaker.

Brooks, to me, plays a lot like Kerfoot. Small, but he works hard. Doesn't have any major standout skill, but is very smart and knows how to use the most of his skill. The problem is that Kerfoot seems to have one more notch on a lot of things, which is why he is a middle 6 guy and Brooks is maybe a solid bottom 6 guy if he is able to consistently bring what he does.

 

[Lightsol]

I see this becoming a Steve Sullivan moment again.

Um, Steve Sullivan had 20 goals the year before the Leafs waived him; anyone with a BRAIN saw that one coming back to haunt the Leafs. Which I guess didn't include "I want Dmitri Khristich" Pat Quinn...

 

[fahad203]

Um, Steve Sullivan had 20 goals the year before the Leafs waived him; anyone with a BRAIN saw that one coming back to haunt the Leafs. Which I guess didn't include "I want Dmitri Khristich" Pat Quinn...

Don't get me started with that. Pat Quin wanted big players
I can't believe Smith who was our GM traded Jason Smith 2nd and 3rd and waived Sullivan

Both were part of Gimour Trade

 

[saffronleaf]

not sure if we should have just let go brooks, esp given overall forward situation

 

[diceman934]

Books is a head working player with boarderline NHL skills. We will be fine

 

[egd27]

If you look at his career hes started slow at every level and then gotten better. Would that happen in the NHL? Who knows but we won't find out now.

Sure we will. Maybe as early as tomorrow if history repeats itself again.

 

[Lightsol]

Don't get me started with that. Pat Quin wanted big players
I can't believe Smith who was our GM traded Jason Smith 2nd and 3rd and waived Sullivan

Both were part of Gimour Trade

But Pat Quinn was the one who signed Khristich and then put Steve Sullivan on waivers to make room for him.

 

[fahad203]

But Pat Quinn was the one who signed Khristich and then put Steve Sullivan on waivers to make room for him.

Over Mike Jhonsson, Kris King and Jonas Huglund who previous year had 8 goals

 

[Marmoset]

One thing that is awesome about Leafs fans is that we can have multiple threads and pages of discussion about Amadio vs. Brooks.

I would like to have kept Brooks from a sentimental point of view as he is one of the few non-first rounders we drafted and developed to at least make the NHL level. I like what he brought for a fourth liner. At the same time, I felt some of his offence was of the 'lucky' variety last year. Over a larger sample size that doesn't apply, but with the small sample size a guy like Brooks has I don't think it's something you automatically ignore and say a goal is a goal.

I don't have a firm real opinion on Amadio so hopefully the Leafs made the right choice. It will just sting if they made the wrong choice because Brooks went to the Habs. If Brooks was claimed by the Ducks or Blue Jackets I'm not sure as many people care.

 

[ottomaddox]

I don't get it. Amadio is better than Brooks.

This was once said about Sparks The Goalie.

It ended badly.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Leaf land collectively freaking the f*** out over a depth player being claimed on waivers...who then subsequently proves that they are waiver fodder is like a yearly tradition at this point. Brooks isn't bad, but the chances of him going the entire year here without hitting waivers was basically nothing. So all the whining is basically over whether he gets claimed now or in 6 weeks. We move on.

 

[ottomaddox]

Leaf land collectively freaking the f*** out over a depth player being claimed on waivers...who then subsequently proves that they are waiver fodder is like a yearly tradition at this point. Brooks isn't bad, but the chances of him going the entire year here without hitting waivers was basically nothing. So all the whining is basically over whether he gets claimed now or in 6 weeks. We move on.

There's no whining other then this post.

Why are you so surprised to see Fandom on a site for hockey fans?

Many years ago Grabovski got bought out by Nonis. It made all kinds of fiscal sense to do it. He was never going to live up that contract. Despite the good sense to buy him out, many fans were outraged. Some actually quit the Maple Leafs. They loved Grabbo. He wasn't my favorite player, but I can understand the sentiment. We as fans can't help who we cheer for.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

There's no whining other then this post.

Why are you so surprised to see Fandom on a site for hockey fans?

Many years ago Grabovski got bought out by Nonis. It made all kinds of fiscal sense to do it. He was never going to live up that contract. Despite the good sense to buy him out, many fans were outraged. Some actually quit the Maple Leafs. They loved Grabbo. He wasn't my favorite player, but I can understand the sentiment. We as fans can't help who we cheer for.

What about my post comes off as whining? Such a lame ass response lol you just don't like what I said. That is fine, I am okay with that. I don't really care about fans who have some weird emotional attachment to a player who has had a cup of coffee with Leafs. It is dumb and if me pointing out the over reaction to him being claimed is dumb upsets you then I will just have to live with that I suppose.

 

[zeke]

I wonder which posters are brave enough to admit that they thought Amadio was much older than Brooks when they were first upset by this news.