Player Discussion Brendan Lemieux

[Kakko Schmakko]

I like 48

I think we got a nice player

 

[noupf]

wow, guy plays 1 game and stirs it up a little. Lets all just blow our loads prematurely......

Pretty sure everybody here did the same last year regarding Ryan Spooner and Vlad Namestnikov.......

 

[ThirdEye]

He had the lowest upside of any of Winnipeg's top 10 or so prospects, so naturally, Gorton accepts him in the trade. What a shock.

Take away his draft position from four or five years ago, and he'd be just another grinder. I keep track of all rookie iCF/iSCF/iHDSCF and Lemieux ranked near the bottom of the 140+ rookies for three months until Appleton showed up. Now he's somewhere in the 100s.

He's a decent player at best. Definitely serviceable. But what I want to knows is, what were Rangers pro scouts seeing? His two-week hot streak? In all seriousness, I'd love to know who within the organization championed the requirement to add Lemieux over a draft pick -- any draft pick, once Chevy balked at the trading the top prospects within his organization

I watch a lot of the Jets because I love Dennis Beyak, and never once did I comes away impressed with Lemieux outside of him "jam" while on a contender's fourth line.

I have as much faith in Gorton in trades as I have with Clark and the draft. He either loses them or gets the expected return. I get that he's still young in GM years and earned his way up, but I fully believe that the Sather-Gorton-Clark troika will never get this team past mediocrity unless a HOF goalie in his prime is backstopping them.

Were you asleep during the Brassard - Zibanejad trade?

The Stepan trade was solid as well. Even if Lias Andersson busts, ADA is looking more and more like a first pairing defenseman

 

[ThirdEye]

Additionally, the Nash, Grabner and Spooner for Strome trade were all wins

 

[Overcast]

He had the lowest upside of any of Winnipeg's top 10 or so prospects, so naturally, Gorton accepts him in the trade. What a shock.

Take away his draft position from four or five years ago, and he'd be just another grinder. I keep track of all rookie iCF/iSCF/iHDSCF and Lemieux ranked near the bottom of the 140+ rookies for three months until Appleton showed up. Now he's somewhere in the 100s.

He's a decent player at best. Definitely serviceable. But what I want to knows is, what were Rangers pro scouts seeing? His two-week hot streak? In all seriousness, I'd love to know who within the organization championed the requirement to add Lemieux over a draft pick -- any draft pick, once Chevy balked at the trading the top prospects within his organization

I watch a lot of the Jets because I love Dennis Beyak, and never once did I comes away impressed with Lemieux outside of him "jam" while on a contender's fourth line.

I have as much faith in Gorton in trades as I have with Clark and the draft. He either loses them or gets the expected return. I get that he's still young in GM years and earned his way up, but I fully believe that the Sather-Gorton-Clark troika will never get this team past mediocrity unless a HOF goalie in his prime is backstopping them.

Take away his draft position? It's not like he was a 5th OA, or a 10th OA, or a 25th OA..he wasn't even a 1st rounder. What's so illustrious about the 31st pick? If Brendan turns into anything close to what his dad was, I'll be fine having him on this team.

We turned Hayes - a player we didn't have to spend a single asset to get, and who probably won't even be with the team that just traded for him beyond this season - into a decent young prospect and 1st and 4th round picks. What were you expecting to get? Scheifele? We got some solid assets when he could have walked away from us after the season and we'd be SOL. That looks like an alright get for us.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Solid debut.

 

[Machinehead]

He either loses them or gets the expected return.

 

[RGY]

wow, guy plays 1 game and stirs it up a little. Lets all just blow our loads prematurely......

Pretty sure everybody here did the same last year regarding Ryan Spooner and Vlad Namestnikov.......

What in the hell is the point of this post? To be a pessimistic debbie downer? Read a comic book or something.

Kid was fantastic tonight. Sure he probably ultimately tops out as a 3rd liner but he plays with an edge, an energy that gets the team going. He isnt afraid to shoot the puck. He takes the body almost every shift. Every team needs a guy like him. He is someone you hate unless he is on your team.

Great first game

 

[nyrage]

What in the hell is the point of this post? To be a pessimistic debbie downer? Read a comic book or something.

Kid was fantastic tonighr. Sure he probably ultimately tops out as a 3rd liner but he plays with an edge, an energy that get the team going. He isnt afraid to shoot the puck. He takes the body almost every shift. Every team needs a guy like him. He is someone you hate unless he is on your team.

Great first game

He has good wheels, plus he goes to the net. He may not be a stud prospect, but he brings a skill-set that this team definitely needs imo.

 

[Dijock94]

Agreed, you can’t have a roster full of scoring perimeter players. You need guys to work corners and along the walls, play in front of the net, play with an edge and provide a little energy and spark. And to get a spark plug kind of player that can actually play as a productive bottom six player is just awesome. Something we have been looking for since Avery.

 

[Inferno]

If anyone looks at lemieux and is expecting a 30 goal scoring smashmouth player they're gonna be disappointed.

To me he's Sean Avery with more physical abilities but less hockey smarts and that's all I'm expecting.

P.i.t.a. players like him are always unquantifiably important to a team. Everyone gets pissed off at him and ignore the other guys on the team because they want to murder him. They help the team get going when they're flat, they change the game without ever doing a corsi event or scoring a goal.

Carcillo, Avery, those guys are extremely valuable.

 

[egelband]

Going to give me a stroke with the all white stick.

I kept thinking he dropped his stick. Haha.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

wow, guy plays 1 game and stirs it up a little. Lets all just blow our loads prematurely......

Pretty sure everybody here did the same last year regarding Ryan Spooner and Vlad Namestnikov.......

Your first sentence is just absurd and pathetic.

Your second is completely irrelevant. Not only were Names (25) & Spooner (26) older, but they both had fairly decent NHL track records from which to assess as well as completely different roles and skillsets.

Lemieux is a rookie. He is 23. And he brings an element this team has been sorely lacking ever since losing Carcillo, Dorsett and Prust. The only people disappointed that he was the prospect included in the deal for Hayes were one's who had unrealistic expectations.

We got a 1st round pick + a young NHL player who brings a style of game that is really key to winning championships. I think it's pretty awesome that we were able to guarantee an effective and young bottom 6 forward in a package for a decent 2nd line center.

 

[Ola]

Lemieux doesn’t have elite skill, but he is a — really — good skater. Saw that he destroyed everyone one year in Winnipeg’s skill competition with a very good time (think second best over a 5 year period).

That type of speed don’t have to have a big impact on how he plays a hockey game, but it does show that he has some abilities to work with...

 

[RGY]

Lemieux doesn’t have elite skill, but he is a — really — good skater. Saw that he destroyed everyone one year in Winnipeg’s skill competition with a very good time (think second best over a 5 year period).

That type of speed don’t have to have a big impact on how he plays a hockey game, but it does show that he has some abilities to work with...

His speed is more than i had expected of him. It allows him to keep up with the play to finish his checks way more efficiently. His speed, like Kreider, was backing up defenders allowing for him to find lanes to shoot a wrister. He was buzzing all over the ice. It makes the opposition uncomfortable, it made TB uncomfortable.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

This is the kind of toughness that you need. not Cody McLeod or Tanner Glass.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Really impressed and excited. He's a piece the rangers need and he's young enough to be that piece for a long time.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

You guys are right. Gorton is the next Bill Torrey because he gets late firsts and B-level prospects for his top-6 UFA. What an innovator.

Ryan Strome, lol.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

You guys are right. Gorton is the next Bill Torrey because he gets late firsts and B-level prospects for his top-6 UFA. What an innovator.

Ryan Strome, lol.

I guess we aren't allowed to like a player without thinking our GM is the second coming.

 

[JohnC]

You guys are right. Gorton is the next Bill Torrey because he gets late firsts and B-level prospects for his top-6 UFA. What an innovator.

Ryan Strome, lol.

What is a UFA middle-6 center that’s never broken 50 points before worth to you in a league where top prospects and potential lottery picks don’t get traded anymore?

 

[Mac n Gs]

You guys are right. Gorton is the next Bill Torrey because he gets late firsts and B-level prospects for his top-6 UFA. What an innovator.

Ryan Strome, lol.

You’re unloading on Gorton for not getting Roslovic or Vesalainen, yet Chevy wouldn’t even give that up for Mark Stone. He knew they wouldn’t be able to keep either of them past this year, so he paid strictly rental value here. A 1st and a B prospect is about as good as you can expect for a UFA rental. I wanted Roslovic too, but let’s be a little realistic here.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lol this is a better return than St. Louis got for Stastny last year, in a market which was much more seller friendly while having a longer track record of success.

Talk about bitching for the sake of bitching.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is the kind of toughness that you need. not Cody McLeod or Tanner Glass.

You need to add toughness without sacrificing skill.

McLeod, Powe, Glass, Newbury, Asham, Mashinter and a whole list of others were bad players and ONLY added toughness.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

You’re unloading on Gorton for not getting Roslovic or Vesalainen, yet Chevy wouldn’t even give that up for Mark Stone. He knew they wouldn’t be able to keep either of them past this year, so he paid strictly rental value here. A 1st and a B prospect is about as good as you can expect for a UFA rental. I wanted Roslovic too, but let’s be a little realistic here.

Gorton snagged a first and a young NHL player that brings a dimension that this team sorely lacks, so of course we need to complain about it. There was no deal to be had that would bring back an A prospect. Lemieux is better right now, as a young player with very real upside still left in him, than a B prospect or additional 2nd rounder is likely to ever be.

I don't know how anyone could watch that game last night and find something to complain about, but here we are.

I, for one, loved the kid's game. I have every confidence that Quinn is going to be able to get him to play this way regularly. If he does, we basically have the lovechild of Sean Avery and Tom Wilson.

 

[Edge]

The Stastny deal was ALWAYS the barometer for the Hayes trade. It was said that the deal would be similar, but with a little something higher. Well, that's what we got.

Unless a player has term, or an extension in place, most teams are not trading top prospects --- especially this deadline.

Nothing against Roslovic, but I don't see the obsession. He's a good player, but he's not an amazing "this guy must be in the deal player." If we'd drafted him --- and by the way, he's one of those players taken with a late first round picks that we like to downplay --- we'd be talking about how he lacks higher end talent, looks like a nice (but not exceptional) bottom six talent, etc. etc. etc.

We also forget that the Winnipeg wasn't the only team with whom we were negotiating. So if someone doesn't like the return we got from the Jets, there's a decent possibility they wouldn't like the other returns on the table.