Player Discussion Brendan Lemieux
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egelband
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I like your moxie! I do like Lemieux but Hayes was great this year. Last season I’d have agreed though.
leetch99
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Lemieux also has some great DNA . His dad probably one of the best NHL playoff performers EVER . That is probably why he played on 3 clubs and won 4 Cups....but that does also make one wonder why he was moved around ? Well...as much as I love him and his style I do feel he will have a shelf life here as do many of the agitator types . So...in saying that...I hope he can be kept under reins by the coach and the team and give us 5-6 great seasons to enjoy . I am sure there will be highs and lows...but for the time being we will just pray the highs outdo the lows LOL...
Actually I’ve been reading on and wanting pepe’s Son for awhile yes. Read years ago the kid was like a mirror image of his dad but faster and since Winnipeg became a possible destination for some of our player last years yeah the kid has been on my radar. Potential Marchand/Gallagher-lite. And obviously you didn’t watch the game bc he had the puck a lot and was playing net front on the 2nd PP unit. Ever occur to you the amateur hour comment was about Ottawa and what was going down? Dude your just sore bc one of the rangers brass actually mentioned you on a video and kinda took a shot at you. Your not getting your agenda past me, I’m a hawk
Exactly. Duchene got 2 of CLB’s #2-5 best prospects and cost them a guaranteed top 4 pick. Stone with an 8year commitment !!!! only cost Vegas brannstrom and a 2nd. Minnesota GM pulled what I guess in some books would be called ‘amateur hour’ bc he was locked in on a player he wanted for a player he wanted to move before said player was set to become a rental forward next year, and took a one-for-one to nail the deal without any picks or prospects included. That’s suspect. Rangers easily could have had fiala for Kreider. Rangers were probably asking fiala, tolvanen and fabbro for him.
Initially I thought the fact that Kreider was here past the deadline meant he was getting an extension, but I’m not sure about that anymore. With 30 teams looking for improve, once the draft order is decided, there will be more potential buyers. The market was such a buyers market. Happy gorton did as well as he did, glad we weren’t trading mcdonagh this year, and I’m happy he didn’t settle for less and trade Kreider for low offers
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Tawnos
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It was a buyers market for wingers, for D it was a sellers market. For centers, it was an market-value market.
McCarty needs to get a son into the league pronto, just in case this kid starts taking runs at people.
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Hopefully (I’d say likely, but who knows) JG has an idea of Kreider’s contract requirements. And they’re on the same page.
Edge
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Those types always have a very fine line to walk.
Though in Lemieux's case, he was also a fairly underrated player: four 30 goal seasons (would've been at least 5 but he missed time), a 40 goal season, 4 cups, nearly 400 career goals and nearly 800 career points. He was the kind of player winning teams looked for.
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I wouldn’t say that. I’d say both montour and Muzzin would have gotten more at another deadline. Hayes and duchene as well
I think gorton did well. The part nobody’s talking about right now is how the returns look if they happened to either resign any of the 3 and it was that return for a 2month loan. (Or even what he return looks like when you tack on a UFA they bring in with the money saved)
And to tie it back to lemeuix. Yes I think the rangers had him radar’ed. I think they wanted him specifically. I know it’s one game, but to me he looks exactly like Gallagher and Marchand looked as rookies. Kids who were all over the puck, crazy competitors who got under the skin, had a nose putting the puck past the goal line, and when combined with their non-dying relentless swarming feisty play, almost guaranteed they were gonna become impact players. I think lil Pepe can do the same thing. I think he got lost in the shuffle in Winnipeg. I think via his dad, he knows he’s in the best Fing place he could play. He could become such a popular important player, kid’s got a dream career ahead of him now if he wants to carve it out
And to tie it back to lemeuix. Yes I think the rangers had him radar’ed. I think they wanted him specifically. I know it’s one game, but to me he looks exactly like Gallagher and Marchand looked as rookies. Kids who were all over the puck, crazy competitors who got under the skin, had a nose putting the puck past the goal line, and when combined with their non-dying relentless swarming feisty play, almost guaranteed they were gonna become impact players. I think lil Pepe can do the same thing. I think he got lost in the shuffle in Winnipeg. I think via his dad, he knows he’s in the best Fing place he could play. He could become such a popular important player, kid’s got a dream career ahead of him now if he wants to carve it out
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Tawnos
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Other deadlines for centers that were sellers markets? Sure. I think a 1st and 2 pretty good prospects is a lot for a 2nd pairing D. I think a 1st and a really good prospect is also a lot for a 2nd pairing D.
leetch99
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LOL....and I hated him with a PASSION . Likely we all did especially when he was a Devil . He would do ANYTHING to win.
I agree to a degree. Muzzin was pedigree and important playoff minutes accumulated. Montour the age and years of control. Still think if the deals were made in years past, they would have gone for more. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the shrinking we’re seeing in the returns in the trade markets are here for good. The jury is out, it’s becoming more and more like football, 1st and 2nd rounders need to become steady solid Pros. The league is going younger, the kids all trained and ready to play the style and pace the game is trending. Rental prices and guys who have 1 or 2 years remaining are gonna keep going down, especially when a lot of these good players have some sort of trade protection, building in a ceiling the buyers get to play off from the drop. I mean I had feeling Kreider’s 11team no trade clause was gonna kill his value bc 11 teams is pretty much nixing out all the bad teams and teams that can’t recruit players that would pay a premium for him. So returns are gonna plummet for guys nearing UFA and values skyrocketing on 1st and 2nds going forward
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NYR Viper
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I’m just going to weigh in that I did in fact know who Lemieux was prior to the trade. Just for the record. Not sure many people knew that I knew about him. I kept it pretty quiet.
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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but you literally suggested Hayes for Lemieux + 1st + _______
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Ghost of jas
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Given your clamoring for him, it was hard for most of us to not know who he is.
NYR Viper
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Yes I’m being sarcastic! Thirty One, cmon man!
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That's typically true because of PP time.
IMO Hayes is better than Little. I understand your point but I even think Hayes, this year, was better than Stepan ever was
I like Hayes. I do not like him at 7M per.
WPG is highly unlikely to sign him because of Laine, Connor and Trouba due for paydays. So Lemieux and a 1st for a pure rental is 'fair' value.
There's always the chance he could hit it off with Laine and force WPG to make tough decisions
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I don’t approve of sarcasm.
NYR Viper
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Has anyone else seen Lemieux’s interview after the game? That kid oozes the no quit, follow me I’ll get us there attitude. It’s the same thing Lias exudes. Guys who just will their way to do whatever it takes.
I just finished the game from last night and he actually exceeded my expectations. He seemed faster than I remember seeing him in Winnipeg and he has the effect of bringing energy and pulling his teammates into the fight. More emotion on a nightly basis is going to be something he can provide that this team has been lacking.
On top of that, I see a kid who understands the game, skates well and is willing to go to the dirty areas to score goals. His skills are being undersold by many just for the simple fact that he does other things than just play a skill game.
If Gorton wants this team to develop more of an edge these are the types of guys that are needed. Guys who can play, provide offense and play a physical game.
I just finished the game from last night and he actually exceeded my expectations. He seemed faster than I remember seeing him in Winnipeg and he has the effect of bringing energy and pulling his teammates into the fight. More emotion on a nightly basis is going to be something he can provide that this team has been lacking.
On top of that, I see a kid who understands the game, skates well and is willing to go to the dirty areas to score goals. His skills are being undersold by many just for the simple fact that he does other things than just play a skill game.
If Gorton wants this team to develop more of an edge these are the types of guys that are needed. Guys who can play, provide offense and play a physical game.
Ghost of jas
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Like a proud papa, you are. I was most impressed by his skating. There’s an opportunity for him here, and hopefully he takes it and flourishes.
