Toggle sidebar

Player Discussion Brendan Lemieux

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Dijock94 said:
Agreed, you can’t have a roster full of scoring perimeter players. You need guys to work corners and along the walls, play in front of the net, play with an edge and provide a little energy and spark. And to get a spark plug kind of player that can actually play as a productive bottom six player is just awesome. Something we have been looking for since Avery.
Click to expand...

For me, if Lemieux can pop in 15 goals, 30 points, piss other teams off to kingdom come, and avoid hurting his team, I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
 
  • Like
Reactions: belford222, GodlyRangers, leetch99 and 3 others
Having a younger agitator is a good thing. No idea if his skill level will jive with playing with whose who have a higher skill level than he does long term, but if that does materialize, it sure would be nice to see some of the top 9 forwards have a little more emotion in their games.

I often make fun of intangible effects, that is related to those who just do not have the skill to be more than what should otherwise be depth, not trying to say Lemieux is more than that just yet, but there were some glimpses in his first game with the Rangers which are at least somewhat promising.
 
I appreciate guys like Steve and edge and Joey etc who give us opinions on players I'd never have the chance to watch.

Its easy for us to make proclamations based on scouting reports rather than our own eyes. With that said it's also important to recognize they can and often are very wrong.

It's the nature of the business. Steve crapped all over the lundkvist and Miller picks, I remember that for a fact...can't remember his take on kravtaov but I feel like he was down on that as well.

Right now it seems like all 3 are fantastic picks
 
  • Like
Reactions: Miamipuck, leetch99 and kovazub94
ThirdEye said:
Were you asleep during the Brassard - Zibanejad trade?

The Stepan trade was solid as well. Even if Lias Andersson busts, ADA is looking more and more like a first pairing defenseman
Click to expand...

The Strome trade was solid.

Adding toughness and character in McLeod and McQuid was smart.

Going with Georgiev instead of throwing money at a FA was prudent.

In hindsight he did well in the Zucc trade when you look at how few picks in the first and second were traded at the deadline.

Now obviously a lot depends on how they draft and/or use those picks in trades, but I don't get the hate.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jas
I really think we need to give time to evaluate Gorton's work as GM.

There's this weird urge to want to judge and evaluate things; to gain a sense of control and understanding as to whether the ship is destined to sail or destined to sink.

But seriously, the jury is still out....waaaay out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: leetch99, bhamill and GeorgeKaplan
Inferno said:
I appreciate guys like Steve and edge and Joey etc who give us opinions on players I'd never have the chance to watch.

Its easy for us to make proclamations based on scouting reports rather than our own eyes. With that said it's also important to recognize they can and often are very wrong.

It's the nature of the business. Steve crapped all over the lundkvist and Miller picks, I remember that for a fact...can't remember his take on kravtaov but I feel like he was down on that as well.

Right now it seems like all 3 are fantastic picks
Click to expand...

Which is all well and good, even the very best miss a bunch.

It's the agenda driven, whiny, arbiter of all evaluations attitude that rubs me (and I'm assuming others) the wrong way. It's not an issue if you don't like certain picks, but its also much more constructive to explain why with out acting like a child who just accidentally dropped his lollipop in the dirt. Edge, Bones, Mac n Gs, Tobbe and a host of other guys who I consider to be dialed into these things have no issue with this (plus I trust their analysis more, which is a completely different conversation.)

You'd expect someone who was on the Mittlestadt>Pettersson train to display at least a little bit of humility, but here we are.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Miamipuck, belford222, UnSandvich and 5 others
Steve Kournianos said:
You guys are right. Gorton is the next Bill Torrey because he gets late firsts and B-level prospects for his top-6 UFA. What an innovator.

Ryan Strome, lol.
Click to expand...
No one is saying that. Your expectations for current day UFA-to-be deals just aren’t based on reality. The reported ask all year was a first and a B prospect for Hayes, and that’s exactly what Hayes got
 
  • Like
Reactions: UnSandvich, Amazing Kreiderman and haveandare
Watching prospects, sharing your thoughts with the world, and trying to be as accurate as possible is an incredibly humbling experience.

You can be right 75 percent of the time, but your misses still sting like a mother.

You get to see many exciting young players years before anyone else. But you also see, literally, thousands of bad hockey games and forgettable players.

Subconsciously, you know people want reassurances. Sometimes you feel comfortable giving them, other times its harder. And when all is said and done, most people really don't understand that you're lucky if two guys your team drafts take regular shifts in the NHL.
 
  • Like
Reactions: leetch99, RGY and Sarge13
Edge said:
Watching prospects, sharing your thoughts with the world, and trying to be as accurate as possible is an incredibly humbling experience.

You can be right 75 percent of the time, but your misses still sting like a mother.

You get to see many exciting young players years before anyone else. But you also see, literally, thousands of bad hockey games and forgettable players.

Subconsciously, you know people want reassurances. Sometimes you feel comfortable giving them, other times its harder. And when all is said and done, most people really don't understand that you're lucky if two guys your team drafts take regular shifts in the NHL.
Click to expand...

It should be comforting to know that NHL-employed scouts "get it wrong" 80-90% of the time anyway. Accurately projecting 17 and 18 year olds into professional adult athletes may be the hardest thing to do in all of pro sports, but never gets mentioned as such.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RGY
Steve Kournianos said:
You guys are right. Gorton is the next Bill Torrey because he gets late firsts and B-level prospects for his top-6 UFA. What an innovator.
Click to expand...

The market is the market. Who did better than Gorton on a comparable rental player?

If the argument is the Rangers would have been better off re-signing Hayes to a market UFA deal then getting the market return at the deadline, then that's different and certainly up for debate.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Brooklyn Rangers Fan and haveandare
One thing to remember about Lemieux is that Winnipeg hadn't been practicing much lately and he was playing very little in games, he probably needs some time to get his wind back for a regular shift.
 
  • Like
Reactions: belford222
Edge said:
The Stastny deal was ALWAYS the barometer for the Hayes trade. It was said that the deal would be similar, but with a little something higher. Well, that's what we got.

Unless a player has term, or an extension in place, most teams are not trading top prospects --- especially this deadline.

Nothing against Roslovic, but I don't see the obsession. He's a good player, but he's not an amazing "this guy must be in the deal player." If we'd drafted him --- and by the way, he's one of those players taken with a late first round picks that we like to downplay --- we'd be talking about how he lacks higher end talent, looks like a nice (but not exceptional) bottom six talent, etc. etc. etc.

We also forget that the Winnipeg wasn't the only team with whom we were negotiating. So if someone doesn't like the return we got from the Jets, there's a decent possibility they wouldn't like the other returns on the table.
Click to expand...
Agree 1000%. Winnipeg prospects are so overrated on our board.

They were always a potential trade partner so Rangers fans hyped them up to the point where it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. So when it wasn't the one they wanted, they're gonna feel like we missed out on Branstrom.

Roslovic and Niku are, at best, decent prospects. Appleton is 23 and hasn't even made the NHL yet.

If Rangers prospects did that, we'd be crucifying them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Miamipuck, Rangers743, HatTrick Swayze and 2 others
Edge said:
Watching prospects, sharing your thoughts with the world, and trying to be as accurate as possible is an incredibly humbling experience.

You can be right 75 percent of the time, but your misses still sting like a mother.

You get to see many exciting young players years before anyone else. But you also see, literally, thousands of bad hockey games and forgettable players.

Subconsciously, you know people want reassurances. Sometimes you feel comfortable giving them, other times its harder. And when all is said and done, most people really don't understand that you're lucky if two guys your team drafts take regular shifts in the NHL.
Click to expand...

I feel like you are writing this post directly to Jamie Lundmark.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Inferno
Also, saying we lost the trade without seeing it through to who we draft isnt fair. Say we end up with Filip Chytil and Ryan Callahan? A late first rounder and a 4th rounder. I'd be pretty happy.
 
Tawnos said:
It should be comforting to know that NHL-employed scouts "get it wrong" 80-90% of the time anyway. Accurately projecting 17 and 18 year olds into professional adult athletes may be the hardest thing to do in all of pro sports, but never gets mentioned as such.
Click to expand...

I think it's much easier to be wrong internally than externally.

You sit in a room of scouts, and everyone knows they're simply making their best cases for the unknown.

You do the same thing with people outside that room and the critique is far less forgiving.

It's the same thing with rumors. There are a few of us who could post a ton of chatter and rumors, but 90 percent of it would turn out to be nothing or fall apart. So if we post, and it goes awry, we look like charlatans and fakers. That's a big reason why reporters don't post a ton of rumors --- there's too much credibility to lose, and not even to be gained.

And when push comes to shove, I don't particularly like coming on and having to debate. I can't speak for others, but that's probably the least enjoyable part of coming on here. It's inevitable, but I'm more of the sit down with a bottle of wine and talk about the nuances type of personality.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Do you want ants and Sarge13
In my world

I thought Hayes would go to Calgary for their 1st and one of their 3 D prospects, plus maybe get something conditional if he extended there.

I am assuming Calgary denied their D prospect, and none of their other prospects were worth it.

Jets are not likely to extend Hayes, they have other stuff going on, so the Rangers not getting any conditional based on that makes sense.

If anything I think the conditional 4th thing is kind of odd, yet I'm guessing if the Jets insisted on that 1st being top 3 protected, why not turn the screws a little.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Also, saying we lost the trade without seeing it through to who we draft isnt fair. Say we end up with Filip Chytil and Ryan Callahan? A late first rounder and a 4th rounder. I'd be pretty happy.
Click to expand...

Well if Winnipeg can't get healthy and clean up their act, that late 1st may be one in the late teens.

All of a sudden, that trade looks like a massive win.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Buchnevich89
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom