Value of: Brandon Saad and Kevin Hayes at 50% retained each

[ToastedRavioli]

Not a part of the same trade.
Brandon Saad would have 2 years after this season at 2.25M
Kevin Hayes would have 2 years after this season at 1.785M

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[Beauterham]

Not a part of the same trade.
Brandon Saad would have 2 years after this season at 2.25M
Kevin Hayes would have 2 years after this season at 1.785M

Army isn't a fan of retaining on contracts with term. Usually we only retain on pending UFA's, I don't see him doing differently to be honest.

 

[ToastedRavioli]

Army isn't a fan of retaining on contracts with term. Usually we only retain on pending UFA's, I don't see him doing differently to be honest.

I do think it's far fetched that he trades both, yet alone one this year at 50% retained. But that's besides the point of gauging the potential value of such a trade.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Multi-year retention is rare. Multi-year retention to improve the return rather than to facilitate a trade (identified by either a giveaway price or a really expensive contract) is even rarer. Looking over CF's list, McCabe (2023), Brassard (2018), Yandle (2014) and Versteeg (2013) are the only ones that jump out to me.

 

[SnS]

Flyers dumped Hayes for basically nothing at 50%. I understand the contract was worse. But has he played well at all? I don’t follow him and was glad he was traded.

I’d guess his value would be minimal.

 

[Djp]

Multi-year retention is rare. Multi-year retention to improve the return rather than to facilitate a trade (identified by either a giveaway price or a really expensive contract) is even rarer. Looking over CF's list, McCabe (2023), Brassard (2018), Yandle (2014) and Versteeg (2013) are the only ones that jump out to me.

In new CBA retention rules changed. Before if you traded a 1+ UFA you could only retain up to what was owed that current year or around 22% of salary.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

In new CBA retention rules changed. Before if you traded a 1+ UFA you could only retain up to what was owed that current year or around 22% of salary.

? Retention was introduced in 2013. No change was made to it in 2020.

 

[Beauterham]

I do think it's far fetched that he trades both, yet alone one this year at 50% retained. But that's besides the point of gauging the potential value of such a trade.

In that case maybe two 2nd's or a 2nd and a 3rd for either Saad or Hayes? The first 2nd for retaining, the other pick for actual value. IMO not enough value coming back to retain for 2 seasons. IF we decide to move Saad and/or Hayes I'd rather take on an expiring bad contract as part of the deal instead of retaining (which might potentially 'hurt' us when we try to be competitive again in 2 seasons).

Only player I'd consider retaining on who has term left on his contract is Buchnevich, but only if Army thinks we're not going to be competitive next season and we can get a valuable piece back to jumpstart our next window.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Makes no sense to trade them at the current time. Then on top of that. their trade value really isn't high enough to warrant creating a hole In the roster.

 

[SEALBound]

Looks like Hayes is 2C, would STL really be looking to move him?

You guys want Acciari back?

 

[stl76]

Not a part of the same trade.
Brandon Saad would have 2 years after this season at 2.25M
Kevin Hayes would have 2 years after this season at 1.785M

You’re a year too soon IMO. I’d be looking to move Saad and Leddy as soon as next TDL with 50% retention for good futures packages. Doesn’t really make sense this year IMO…don’t think any return would be significantly larger this year vs next and both are useful players for this years Blues team.

Flyers dumped Hayes for basically nothing at 50%. I understand the contract was worse. But has he played well at all? I don’t follow him and was glad he was traded.

I’d guess his value would be minimal.

He’s been pretty good, better than I expected TBH. Been putting up some points, crushing it on faceoffs, and all indications are that he is a good fit in the locker room. He also has value to the Blues as a cheap place holder at C so we don’t need to rush our prospects.

 

[Robtom18]

I do think it's far fetched that he trades both, yet alone one this year at 50% retained. But that's besides the point of gauging the potential value of such a trade.

Looks like Hayes is 2C, would STL really be looking to move him?

You guys want Acciari back?

Nope

 

[Beauterham]

Looks like Hayes is 2C, would STL really be looking to move him?

You guys want Acciari back?

He mostly played 3C this season but has played on our second line on occasion.

Is Acciari really that bad for you guys? With the Blues he was an adequate 4th liner. Not interested in him now though, unless there is a larger trade with the Pens and we have to take on a bad contract. But even then, I'd rather not as he's got too much term.

 

[Robtom18]

I do think it's far fetched that he trades both, yet alone one this year at 50% retained. But that's besides the point of gauging the potential value of such a trade.

In that case maybe two 2nd's or a 2nd and a 3rd for either Saad or Hayes? The first 2nd for retaining, the other pick for actual value. IMO not enough value coming back to retain for 2 seasons. IF we decide to move Saad and/or Hayes I'd rather take on an expiring bad contract as part of the deal instead of retaining (which might potentially 'hurt' us when we try to be competitive again in 2 seasons).

Only player I'd consider retaining on who has term left on his contract is Buchnevich, but only if Army thinks we're not going to be competitive next season and we can get a valuable piece back to jumpstart our next window.

Snuggerud is coming this season. Dvorsky will be here next year. I ssy keep filling the pipeline

 

[SnS]

You’re a year too soon IMO. I’d be looking to move Saad and Leddy as soon as next TDL with 50% retention for good futures packages. Doesn’t really make sense this year IMO…don’t think any return would be significantly larger this year vs next and both are useful players for this years Blues team.


He’s been pretty good, better than I expected TBH. Been putting up some points, crushing it on faceoffs, and all indications are that he is a good fit in the locker room. He also has value to the Blues as a cheap place holder at C so we don’t need to rush our prospects.

That’s like the opposite of Hayes on the Flyers. He was untrusted. Couldn’t do anything but puck-hog and be a selfish player.

Glad to see he woke up.

 

[Beauterham]

Snuggerud is coming this season. Dvorsky will be here next year. I ssy keep filling the pipeline

I can see Snuggerud playing some games at the end of this season as soon as his college season is over, however I don't think Dvorsky will start the next season with us. He's eligible to start in the AHL so we don't have the '10-game nonsense' and lets see how that goes first. And even if both are playing in the big league next season, don't expect both of them to be more than third liners in their first season.

 

[westc2]

If the Blues look like they're gonna miss the playoffs the by the deadline, they should absolutely try to trade both of these guys. They aren't going to get much in return but it would be better than nothing. They do have some value for playoff teams needing bottom 6 depth.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

If the Blues look like they're gonna miss the playoffs the by the deadline, they should absolutely try to trade both of these guys. They aren't going to get much in return but it would be better than nothing. They do have some value for playoff teams needing bottom 6 depth.

Or they could do that next year. We still need to ice a roster. And both have a fairly low cap hit with 2 years left after this season. We have absolutely no reason to force a trade just to force a trade. We also should not be forcing our prospects into the NHL early. Which we would be doing.

 

[JetsFan815]

Doubt the Blues get much of value, or at-least enough value to make it worth it to occupy to retention slots for 2 years. Hayes has more value but is a 2nd round pick worth Doug Armstrong's while to retain for 2 years? Generally teams only retain multiple years on guys if they get premium value (McCabe) or they simply can't stand the guy and want him off the roster at any cost (Johansen/Hayes in Philly). Don't think that is true in this case, atleast not with Hayes.

 

[The Red Line]

No offense meant... but without seeing the avatar of the OP, I wouldn't even be sure which team these guys played for anymore...

Have they done anything of note recently to justify any trade value? A very brief look at their season stats tells me they aren't worth a whole lot.

 

[StIvany4Norris]

Pens should be interested in both

 

[McJedi]

Kevin Hayes for Ryan Johansen?

 

[TK 421]

Buckle up and prepare to be underwhelmed by a late 2nd for Marco Scandella. We might be able to wrangle the all important late 5th round pick out of them too if the market for D is terrible but I'm thinking the Blues have a pretty quiet TDL overall.

 

[wintersej]

If the Blues fall out of it, would Sundqvist be available?

 

[Qward]

I would expect Ottawa would be interested in Hayes at 50% for some vet leadership.

They need to clear some room first.