Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Tuna99]

Matthew Tkachuk is a better shooter, passer and defender.

It's like asking if I'd trade Stutzle for McDavid. Of course I would. Stutzle is fast and a great playermaker. McDavid is on a different level and better at both.

In terms of happiness surrounding this team - I'll be happy when they make the playoffs. And if this team misses the playoffs for the 4th year in a row with Brady Tkachuk at the helm after changes everywhere else it's time to break up the core. Tkachuk and Norris out. Keep Batherson and Stutzle.

They have 54 games to change my mind.

Actually Brady is the better scorer based on age, he has more goals in his first 6 seasons then Matthew did.

If it doesn’t work out For you ,you’d make a good Panthers fan.

 

[Knave]

Actually Brady is the better scorer based on age, he has more goals in his first 6 seasons then Matthew did.

If it doesn’t work out For you ,you’d make a good Panthers fan.

I would certainly hope a player who played more games and took 500 more shots in his first 6 seasons would have more goals.

10 more goals on 557 more shots for some context.

And we don't have to imagine how Matthew Tkachuk would have done on his next 500 shots. He scored 40 goals (not 10 goals) on 324 shots which is better than Brady Tkachuk's career year and a better 82 game pace than what Brady Tkachuk is doing right now.

What would other Ottawa players have done if those 557 shots were distributed among Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Giroux, DeBrincat and others? I think it's very fair to question what this team would look like if Brady Tkachuk took fewer shots and was closer to players like Matthew Tkachuk and Jamie Benn with his shot selection where he still takes a large amount but he's not Top 5 for the time period of his career with elite superstars such as MacKinnon, Pastrnak and Matthews.

Everyone seems to be taking the default approach of "oh the team would be worse". I'm not convinced.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I mean THE GUY on a team. You're talking about the THE GUY in hockey or all time.

Alfredsson was our the guy, then it was Karlsson, and now it's Stutzle.

That’s your definition of “the guy”, guess everyone has a different one then.
I’m with DueDigence on the definition.
TBH I never heard of “the guy” until yesterday.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I would certainly hope a player who played more games and took 500 more shots in his first 6 seasons would have more goals.

10 more goals on 557 more shots for some context.

And we don't have to imagine how Matthew Tkachuk would have done on his next 500 shots. He scored 40 goals (not 10 goals) on 324 shots which is better than Brady Tkachuk's career year and a better 82 game pace than what Brady Tkachuk is doing right now.

What would other Ottawa players have done if those 557 shots were distributed among Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Giroux, DeBrincat and others? I think it's very fair to question what this team would look like if Brady Tkachuk took fewer shots and was closer to players like Matthew Tkachuk and Jamie Benn with his shot selection where he still takes a large amount but he's not Top 5 for the time period of his career with elite superstars such as MacKinnon, Pastrnak and Matthews.

Everyone seems to be taking the default approach of "oh the team would be worse". I'm not convinced.

Lmao, you’re tripling down on this, he’s not MacKinnon, and Matthews, Sherlock. Guess what if he was , he’d be making 60% more money.
thanks for the humour though.

Oh and to this comment
They have 54 games to change my mind.

Brady and the Sens don’t care if you change your mind, neither do most lol.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I think most people would build around him, but unless he is committed to staying here long term it is irrelevant.

He only has 3 years left, and his trade value likely drops by about 80 percent after July 1st if he asks out. People will say "yeah but we don't have to trade him if he asks out", but it never works that way in real life. It becomes too big of a distraction.

I would absolutely not trust a Tkachuk who tells me "Yes Mr. Staios, I'm so happy here, missing the playoffs is fun, no, my dad didn't tell me to string you along until my NMC kicks in." Which is not me saying the Tkachuks are bad people, but Staios would have to be an idiot not to see that they know how to play the game. Once July 1st hits, the balance of power shifts completely to Brady. To the point where giving the Senators a 3 team list is a major consolation. If you're Brady and you want out, getting to July 1st is important because it means you don't have to worry about getting traded to the Columbus Blue Jackets, and you can give the Senators a 3 team list consisting of Vegas, Golden, and Knights.

They are in a really tough spot because trading him as a precaution against the NMC is a crappy situation, but if they hold onto him and in January of 2026 he asks them to move him at the deadline, they aren't getting anywhere close to what they could have gotten for him if they decided to move him in January of 2025.

Why not trust them, Matthew was up front with the team and told them a year out, not signing a new deal, not like most players, ie Tavares.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why not trust them, Matthew was up front with the team and told them a year out, not signing a new deal, not like most players, ie Tavares.

The same reason that I knew that lady 20 years ago who would always ask for a dollar for coffee didn't actually need a dollar for coffee.

Pattern recognition.

 

[Tuna99]

I would certainly hope a player who played more games and took 500 more shots in his first 6 seasons would have more goals.

10 more goals on 557 more shots for some context.

And we don't have to imagine how Matthew Tkachuk would have done on his next 500 shots. He scored 40 goals (not 10 goals) on 324 shots which is better than Brady Tkachuk's career year and a better 82 game pace than what Brady Tkachuk is doing right now.

What would other Ottawa players have done if those 557 shots were distributed among Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Giroux, DeBrincat and others? I think it's very fair to question what this team would look like if Brady Tkachuk took fewer shots and was closer to players like Matthew Tkachuk and Jamie Benn with his shot selection where he still takes a large amount but he's not Top 5 for the time period of his career with elite superstars such as MacKinnon, Pastrnak and Matthews.

Everyone seems to be taking the default approach of "oh the team would be worse". I'm not convinced.

So everyone is Brady Tkachuk expect for Brady Tkachuk who is actually doing Brady Tkachuk - doesn’t make sense to me.

You actually think Giroux Norris and Batherson can generate as many shots as Brady can - I don’t because they can’t because if they could they would have.

 

[Micklebot]

I would certainly hope a player who played more games and took 500 more shots in his first 6 seasons would have more goals.

10 more goals on 557 more shots for some context.

And we don't have to imagine how Matthew Tkachuk would have done on his next 500 shots. He scored 40 goals (not 10 goals) on 324 shots which is better than Brady Tkachuk's career year and a better 82 game pace than what Brady Tkachuk is doing right now.

What would other Ottawa players have done if those 557 shots were distributed among Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Giroux, DeBrincat and others? I think it's very fair to question what this team would look like if Brady Tkachuk took fewer shots and was closer to players like Matthew Tkachuk and Jamie Benn with his shot selection where he still takes a large amount but he's not Top 5 for the time period of his career with elite superstars such as MacKinnon, Pastrnak and Matthews.

Everyone seems to be taking the default approach of "oh the team would be worse". I'm not convinced.

Maybe if you actually provided some sort of evidence that his shot volume hurts the team, others might come around?

Would Carolina be a better team if they were more selective in their shots? From 2021-2024 they have by far the most shot attempts 5v5, but the 8th worst sh%, yet they have the second best pts% during that time frame. Panthers have the 2nd most shot attempts, and the 12th worst sh%, but the 6th best pts%. Both teams are top ten in GF/60 too despite that "poor" shot selection. These teams like to get the puck on net to create sustained pressure and wear out the opposition. It can be a very effective strategy.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Maybe if you actually provided some sort of evidence that his shot volume hurts the team, others might come around?

Would Carolina be a better team if they were more selective in their shots? From 2021-2024 they have by far the most shot attempts 5v5, but the 8th worst sh%, yet they have the second best pts% during that time frame. Panthers have the 2nd most shot attempts, and the 12th worst sh%, but the 6th best pts%. Both teams are top ten in GF/60 too despite that "poor" shot selection. These teams like to get the puck on net to create sustained pressure and wear out the opposition. It can be a very effective strategy.

I remember like a decade ago when corsi and fenwick were getting more and more popularity these same types of arguments kept coming up and yeah all analysis showed the same. If you are consisntely directing the puck at the net scoring chances or not you are likely winning. I think it was ~70% of the time the higher Cori’s team won the game.

And the higher Cori’s team won playoffs series’ at the same rate.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think most people would build around him, but unless he is committed to staying here long term it is irrelevant.

He only has 3 years left, and his trade value likely drops by about 80 percent after July 1st if he asks out. People will say "yeah but we don't have to trade him if he asks out", but it never works that way in real life. It becomes too big of a distraction.

I would absolutely not trust a Tkachuk who tells me "Yes Mr. Staios, I'm so happy here, missing the playoffs is fun, no, my dad didn't tell me to string you along until my NMC kicks in." Which is not me saying the Tkachuks are bad people, but Staios would have to be an idiot not to see that they know how to play the game. Once July 1st hits, the balance of power shifts completely to Brady. To the point where giving the Senators a 3 team list is a major consolation. If you're Brady and you want out, getting to July 1st is important because it means you don't have to worry about getting traded to the Columbus Blue Jackets, and you can give the Senators a 3 team list consisting of Vegas, Golden, and Knights.

They are in a really tough spot because trading him as a precaution against the NMC is a crappy situation, but if they hold onto him and in January of 2026 he asks them to move him at the deadline, they aren't getting anywhere close to what they could have gotten for him if they decided to move him in January of 2025.

The return we’d get before Brady’s NMC kicks in would be greater. I don’t think anybody doubts that.

Staois is going to have to win or get equal value if he were to move Brady this season though. Sounds simple, but it's probably easier said than done.

Senators may even have a chance at a divisional seed this year. There’s no really formidable teams that we in playoff fight with. There’s a bunch of teams struggling to get to a .500 record. Boston has regressed. TBL is probably the exception. They are still decent and haven’t regressed too much. Senators would have to be more consistent and Ullmark would need to start a lot of games.

Its not an easy task, but its possible. It would make a Brady trade even more difficult to make as well. It’s a sticky wicket that Staois faces.

 

[Senator Stanley]

I think most people would build around him, but unless he is committed to staying here long term it is irrelevant.

He only has 3 years left, and his trade value likely drops by about 80 percent after July 1st if he asks out. People will say "yeah but we don't have to trade him if he asks out", but it never works that way in real life. It becomes too big of a distraction.

I would absolutely not trust a Tkachuk who tells me "Yes Mr. Staios, I'm so happy here, missing the playoffs is fun, no, my dad didn't tell me to string you along until my NMC kicks in." Which is not me saying the Tkachuks are bad people, but Staios would have to be an idiot not to see that they know how to play the game. Once July 1st hits, the balance of power shifts completely to Brady. To the point where giving the Senators a 3 team list is a major consolation. If you're Brady and you want out, getting to July 1st is important because it means you don't have to worry about getting traded to the Columbus Blue Jackets, and you can give the Senators a 3 team list consisting of Vegas, Golden, and Knights.

They are in a really tough spot because trading him as a precaution against the NMC is a crappy situation, but if they hold onto him and in January of 2026 he asks them to move him at the deadline, they aren't getting anywhere close to what they could have gotten for him if they decided to move him in January of 2025.

I understand the concern, but there's nothing they can do but wait and see how it all plays out. You can't trade him before the NMC on the chance that he might ask out later. That would be like breaking up with your dream girl because you're scared that one day she's going to break up with you.

 

[Tuna99]

I understand the concern, but there's nothing they can do but wait and see how it all plays out. You can't trade him before the NMC on the chance that he might ask out later. That would be like breaking up with your dream girl because you're scared that one day she's going to break up with you.

Tim Stuztle is the dream girl, Brady is the party girl dancing on the bar with a titty hanging out and will eat 2 Shawarmas with extra garlic and then pick you up over her head and only put you down after you agree to kiss her.

(Also known as a Brockville girls in these parts)

 

[Golden_Jet]

Tim Stuztle is the dream girl, Brady is the party girl dancing on the bar with a titty hanging out and will eat 2 Shawarmas with extra garlic and then pick you up over her head and only put you down after you agree to kiss her.

(Also known as a Brockville girls in these parts)

You have a strange taste in girls then.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tim Stuztle is the dream girl, Brady is the party girl dancing on the bar with a titty hanging out and will eat 2 Shawarmas with extra garlic and then pick you up over her head and only put you down after you agree to kiss her.

(Also known as a Brockville girls in these parts)

Well if this isn't the strangest post I've seen in a while.

 

[BigRig4]

Tim Stuztle is the dream girl, Brady is the party girl dancing on the bar with a titty hanging out and will eat 2 Shawarmas with extra garlic and then pick you up over her head and only put you down after you agree to kiss her.

(Also known as a Brockville girls in these parts)

Are you good lmfao

 

[bicboi64]

What if they traded Brady for Matthew - would you be happy?

Matthew integral to his team success you could say?

I'd personally pick Brady. Matthew might be a better player, but he's a dirty player. BTkachuk has yet to do the sucmbaggery that MTkachuk does on the ice.

MTkachuk helps drive play in FLorida, but that team has a stacked forward core, particularly the best two way forward in the game right now with Barkov. Before playing with Barkov, MTkachuk was a playoff choker on CGY. A change in scenery, coaching, teammates helped him, but the way he plays isn't worth it to me over what we have with BTkachuk

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

That’s your definition of “the guy”, guess everyone has a different one then.
I’m with DueDigence on the definition.
TBH I never heard of “the guy” until yesterday.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Tim Stuztle is the dream girl, Brady is the party girl dancing on the bar with a titty hanging out and will eat 2 Shawarmas with extra garlic and then pick you up over her head and only put you down after you agree to kiss her.

(Also known as a Brockville girls in these parts)

 

[Golden_Jet]

You’re a spy kids fan, not surprising, I’ve never seen it, or would watch it.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You’re a spy kids fan, not surprising, I’ve never seen it, or would watch it.

i guess you're not that guy

 

[Golden_Jet]

i guess you're not that guy

Whatever that means