Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Gil Gunderson]

no coach is gonna win when their players and most of all if the team captain isn't serious about winning.

go look at that screenshot in the last page.

2-3 game in the last 5 minutes of the game when the team is fighting for their playoff lives.

and what does the captain do?

he's done this numerous times in the last month alone.

not only that but everyone is blaming greig for the too many men. but that is brady who instead of backhecking starts strolling to the bench and then changes his mind. the bench and the coaching staff was probably confused as to what the f*** brady was doing.

Brady isn't serious about winning.

I can almost guarantee Brady will “get it” once he’s shipped off to an organization where losing isn’t the norm.

If nothing else, bringing in a coach from a culture of winning would have been asset. At least there would be SOMETHING there, not DJ Smith 2.0.

 

[Tuna99]

The idea to hire him never made any sense. He could be guy, but it was such an unncessary gamble. Evason was by far the safer choice, and he’s doing pretty great things with a Columbus team that has half our talent.

Certainly wasn’t popular at the time. The expectations this season just so high and hopeful - but to be out of the race by game 23 , bottom of the standings now for multiple weeks, everyone promising playoffs, pundits even today saying Ottawa will Make the playoffs.

Just what a lame run, 6 weeks is all they give him. It’s like the team quit on him.

I actually feel bad for the guy, but I also kinda hated him, so it’s a weird feeling I have for Travis Green.

I think Green is a good coach. He’s just been put into a situation here in Ottawa where i think his players have ideas of what NHL hockey is, and it’s not what the coaching staff thinks NHL hockey is

 

[Knave]

I can almost guarantee Brady will “get it” once he’s shipped off to an organization where losing isn’t the norm.

If nothing else, bringing in a coach from a culture of winning would have been asset. At least there would be SOMETHING there, not DJ Smith 2.0.

Personally I'm less convinced of his ability to have success elsewhere unless he's the clear cut 3rd to 6th best forward on the team he goes to. Right now we have just Stutzle on his own as being clearly better than the rest so Tkachuk is in that 2nd spot.

That being said maybe a change of scenery where he's not a media darling, nor the captain would be enough of a culture shock for him to improve his game.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Certainly wasn’t popular at the time. The expectations this season just so high and hopeful - but to be out of the race by game 23 , bottom of the standings now for multiple weeks, everyone promising playoffs, pundits even today saying Ottawa will Make the playoffs.

Just what a lame run, 6 weeks is all they give him. It’s like the team quit on him.

I actually feel bad for the guy, but I also kinda hated him, so it’s a weird feeling I have for Travis Green.
I think Green is a good coach. He’s just been out into a situation where the

See, the problem is I don’t know about the bolded simply because I haven’t seen anything to indicate that.

Guys like Montgomery or Evason, we’ve see them go around and get more out of their teams than expected. There is literally nothing Green has done that would lead me to believe he can do such a thing. The underlying numbers boost we had is slowly fading and we haven’t “outplayed a team” since that Philly game.

The big thing we kept hearing about him was his focus on conditioning, well…how are we showing up against all these teams on back-to-back? What are we getting out of this “fitness”?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I can almost guarantee Brady will “get it” once he’s shipped off to an organization where losing isn’t the norm.

If nothing else, bringing in a coach from a culture of winning would have been asset. At least there would be SOMETHING there, not DJ Smith 2.0.

any team that hypes brady as its 1st line winger, franchise player, or team leader will suck and brady will struggle.

not because he is a bad player, but because this is the best league in the world and other teams roll out guys like Mackinnon, Kopitar, Crosby, Hughes, Bergeron, Chara, Alfredsson, Stone etc in those roles.

just on a different level.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Personally I'm less convinced of his ability to have success elsewhere unless he's the clear cut 3rd to 6th best forward on the team he goes to. Right now we have just Stutzle on his own as being clearly better than the rest so Tkachuk is in that 2nd spot.

That being said maybe a change of scenery where he's not a media darling, nor the captain would be enough of a culture shock for him to improve his game.

I don't think it's about where he positions in the on ice ability, I think it is about joining a team that has a professional environment with a proper veteran presence for the first time in his career.

I mean, you can argue that he sort of has that this year with some of the additions they made this offseason, but I don't think adding Perron and Jensen is the same thing as going somewhere like Tampa or Vegas where their entire core is 28+ and have been together for 5-10 years.

 

[Tuna99]

See, the problem is I don’t know about the bolded simply because I haven’t seen anything to indicate that.

Guys like Montgomery or Evason, we’ve see them go around and get more out of their teams than expected. There is literally nothing Green has done that would lead me to believe he can do such a thing. The underlying numbers boost we had is slowly fading and we haven’t “outplayed a team” since that Philly game.

The big thing we kept hearing about him was his focus on conditioning, well…how are we showing up against all these teams on back-to-back? What are we getting out of this “fitness”?

I think we saw a team that was ready to go at the start of the season even though they were losing games they should have won we thought they’d figure it out, I think the league over the last 6 weeks is faster and more organized and the Sens just don’t hit the blue line with any speed.

I think the team is fit, they are just slow. They can’t generate offence, they can’t get speed where they need it and it shows.

On the PP we see the skill of this group, but 5 on 5 it’s just not good enough, the team standard is to low for sustained winning hockey, not fast enough.

They are coming off must win games and they got 11 and 22 shots. Brutal. Embarrassing.

 

[Golden_Jet]

guess who the last player in the defensive zone was.


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Why are we guessing, the picture shows Stutzle as F3, as last player in zone, what’s your point.

and Tkachuk first back as F1 in this case,

What’s your point in showing picture, everyone in good shape here. There are still 2 kings behind F3.

Was your point to show Brady as first back, or embarrass yourself,

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Why are we guessing, the picture shows Stutzle as F3, as last player in zone, what’s your point.

and Tkachuk first back as F1 in this case,

What’s your point in showing picture, everyone in good shape here. There are still 2 kings behind F3.

Was your point to show Brady as first back, or embarrass yourself,

in that sequence the turnover happened at that point and despite brady being the closest player to the king puck carrier and his own blueline, both stutzle and gaudette made it to the defensive zone before brady.

in a 2-3 game in the 3rd with 5 minutes left when the team is desperate for every point to keep playoff hopes alive.

inexcusable for any player.

unfathomable for a captain of a team to do.

this isn't about DJ or Dorion or Greene or Melnyk. It is solely about the team captain playing selfish lazy hockey.

brady is not serious about winning.

 

[Golden_Jet]

in that sequence the turnover happened at that point and despite brady being the closest player to the king puck carrier and his own blueline, both stutzle and gaudette made it to the defensive zone before brady.

in a 2-3 game in the 3rd with 5 minutes left when the team is desperate for every point to keep playoff hopes alive.

inexcusable for any player.

unfathomable for a captain of a team to do.

this isn't about DJ or Dorion or Greene or Melnyk. It is solely about the team captain playing selfish lazy hockey.

brady is not serious about winning.

For 10 games or more played on team
xGA/60 at 5 on 5, for forwards in order

1 - Tim 1.93
2 - Amadio 2.01
3 - Brady 2.04
4 - Pinto 2.04
5 - Gaudette 2.21


same as above but xGF/60
1 - Brady 2.7
2 - Tim 2.64
3 - Batherson 2.59
4 - Giroux 2.38
5 - Norris 2.35

 

[JungleBeat]

Brady can’t be the main guy on a winning and successful team. That much is clear, we need 2-3 clear players that are better than him.

It doesn’t help that he’s extremely immature.

 

[BigRig4]

For 10 games or more played on team
xGA/60 at 5 on 5, for forwards in order

1 - Tim 1.93
2 - Amadio 2.01
3 - Brady 2.04
4 - Pinto 2.04
5 - Gaudette 2.21


same as above but xGF/60
1 - Brady 2.7
2 - Tim 2.64
3 - Batherson 2.59
4 - Giroux 2.38
5 - Norris 2.35

Piggybacking to ask: How come in so many of worst "analytical" games this year we seem to have won, and in so many of our outstanding ones we seem to have lost? This is an earnest question.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Piggybacking to ask: How come in so many of worst "analytical" games this year we seem to have won, and in so many of our outstanding ones we seem to have lost? This is an earnest question.

That’s not the case, it’s probably happened a few times each way.
If you want to analyze each of the 23 games individually go ahead.
Last night was basically even.

Herse’s the list of all games, if you want to check

Games - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

For 10 games or more played on team
xGA/60 at 5 on 5, for forwards in order

1 - Tim 1.93
2 - Amadio 2.01
3 - Brady 2.04
4 - Pinto 2.04
5 - Gaudette 2.21


same as above but xGF/60
1 - Brady 2.7
2 - Tim 2.64
3 - Batherson 2.59
4 - Giroux 2.38
5 - Norris 2.35

what does this have to do with the play we were discussing?

why did brady quit on the backcheck in a 2-3 game? that's what i want to know.

 

[Golden_Jet]

what does this have to do with the play we were discussing?

why did brady quit on the backcheck in a 2-3 game? that's what i want to know.

Showing you, that Brady isn’t as bad as you say, in all your hate posts.

Your picture didn’t show anything that you described.

 

[windfield]

I think this team is built on wrong culture, emphasizing talents but not hard working. Media loves talents, but hockey god clearly loves hard workers.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Showing you, that Brady isn’t as bad as you say, in all your hate posts.

Your picture didn’t show anything that you described.

brady is bad defensively though. not sure anyone who watches him would say otherwise.

but the real problem is the quitting on plays. that is the inexcusable part.

if you watched that game and that play it is exactly as i described. and it's not the only example from just this past month of brady floating at critical moments of the game.

do you disagree it happens?

i have been pointing it out for years and i just realized you guys saying im just a hater is textbook definition of gaslighting. not to mention you're gaslighting yourselves.

trust your eyes. not what brady says.

 

[Golden_Jet]

brady is bad defensively though.

For 10 games or more played on team
xGA/60 at 5 on 5, for forwards in order

1 - Tim 1.93
2 - Amadio 2.01
3 - Brady 2.04
4 - Pinto 2.04
5 - Gaudette 2.21

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

For 10 games or more played on team
xGA/60 at 5 on 5, for forwards in order

1 - Tim 1.93
2 - Amadio 2.01
3 - Brady 2.04
4 - Pinto 2.04
5 - Gaudette 2.21

okay now tell my why a player who backchecks, cheats, and floats like brady should ever be captain

 

[Golden_Jet]

okay now tell my why a player who backchecks, cheats, and floats like brady should ever be captain

You haven’t acknowledged his xGA/60 yet, and explained that stat, other than ok

Which is good for 46th in the 32 team league for forwards, 5 on 5 with 200 minutes played.
Explain that if he’s so bad.

 

[JungleBeat]

Insecure fans in here worried that Brady will leave the Sens. Who cares, it’s not like we’re winning anything at the moment.

 

[Hale The Villain]

See, the problem is I don’t know about the bolded simply because I haven’t seen anything to indicate that.

Guys like Montgomery or Evason, we’ve see them go around and get more out of their teams than expected. There is literally nothing Green has done that would lead me to believe he can do such a thing. The underlying numbers boost we had is slowly fading and we haven’t “outplayed a team” since that Philly game.

The big thing we kept hearing about him was his focus on conditioning, well…how are we showing up against all these teams on back-to-back? What are we getting out of this “fitness”?

That's why I wanted Evason over Green. At least he's shown the ability to get the best out of his players and get his teams to perform.

Green lucked into a WHL championship coaching one of the most stacked teams ever in the 2012/13 Portland Winterhawks after stepping into the head coach role following Mike Johnston being suspended for the rest of the season due to off-ice violations.

He then parlayed that half season of head coaching experience into a job coaching in the AHL for Utica, where his team only made the playoffs twice in four years, which apparently was a good enough resume to get to coach the Canucks.

Then after nothing but failure in Vancouver and a terrible stint taking over for Ruff in NJ to finish last season, he somehow becomes the top candidate for the job here.

Make it make sense.

 

[darude]

I think the difference you two are talking about can be summarized as being clutch. Someone can look overall like a statistical darling and take one or two shifts off every game and wind up costing a win or at least points in the standings.

Brady's the captain and is supposed to be the leader. Do you see McDavid, MacKinnon, Crosby, Barkov, Hedman, Stone, etc. Doing things like mailing it in on the backcheck *regularly*? No, because when they do they get absolutely shredded for it.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You haven’t acknowledged his xGA/60 yet, and explained that stat, other than ok

its a 20 game sample size dude.

and brady really has not played anywhere close to good enough to justify those stats.

is anyone happy with Brady's play this year? and this is despite him being above ppg. he could have half those points and it would surprise no one.

i call it the timmy stu effect.

 

[Golden_Jet]

its a 20 game sample size dude.

and brady really has not played anywhere close to good enough to justify those stats.

is anyone happy with Brady's play this year? and this is despite him being above ppg.

i call it the timmy stu effect.

And 46th in a 32 team league for forwards 5 on 5. xGA/60
The sample size is same for all players lol