Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

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He doesn't need to wait until the 3rd period. Brady cheats zone exits and misses assignments during any period. Doesn't have to be because he took a bad penalty.

Green can actively set examples. I haven't really seen him do that this year to anyone in the 'core'.
OK then, but that begs a question? Will the result of benching Brady be positive overall? I mean from a short term perspective, for the games he misses we might be less likely to win. From a longer term perspective, how will Brady react? Does this push him closer to the exit door?

Btw, I don’t have all answers but thought maybe by asking questions we would get some thoughtful debate.
 

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Just because the explanations from Green make sense doesn’t mean what he is saying is complimentary or supportive. He has his players back, but he thinks they are playing like shit and said that in this interview.

Brady had a Passion for what? Winning? Does this look like a player that is doing everything to win when you see him quit on backchecks and the coach admits they didn’t practice hard and were flat for a week for no reason? Gave up on the bench. C’mon dude, believe your eyes.

Travis Green called him “young” today, that’s not a compliment to an 8 year NHL player who has +450 NHL games and is the Captain of an NHL team.
Lol this post is a complete joke. Believe what you want to believe. It's insane how willing you are to twist the words of the coach because you want it to fit your agenda of having Brady be the whipping boy. What kind of fan does that?

Everyone plays. Brady is not the only guy on the team, and I can guarantee you that if they all cared as much as Brady did then we wouldn't be talking about missing the playoffs again.

Mate, if you're going to start calling fellow fans dumb and questioning their authenticity because of their opinion of a hockey player on a message board, maybe it's time to take a break.

Criticism of any player doesn't make anyone less of a Sens fan than you.
Legitimate criticism of player's game isn't dumb. Calling for the team to trade him or strip the C off him is, and I will stand by that every time, and if Green didn't feel like being kind to the suffering fanbase, he would've called those fans a lot worse than "dumb".

Lol Brady cares too much but can't be bothered to backcheck? Or play a team game?

Dude simply doesn't care about winning as much as he likes padding his stats. It's 6 years of this crap.
6 years of trolling from you.
 

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The only group that folds under pressure quicker than the Sens team is Sens fans lol. Things turn the wrong way and it's scapegoat time.

Going to drive Brady out and regret it when we are looking for a player like him.

Not saying he's perfect. I've noticed the missed assignments, leaving the zone too early, forced passes.

Brady playing on a well-constructed team, supported by good players will be an absolute force. Hope it is in Ottawa. If not we will just be watching another former Sens star win a cup somewhere else. Brady trying to drag this sorry group around since he was 19 has been grueling.
The truth is it's only happened once and it's on a team that's been given every advantage in the NHL universe to succeed. Might be more of a commentary on how poorly our "star" players have done when they've left.
 

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Ok, where was Sanderson last night? Where was Norris? Where was Greig? Where was Pinto? Where was Perron? Where was Amadio? Brady does something to get his team back into it while half the team takes the night off, and he's the one who gets criticized for it? Show me the logic in that?

Remember when Brady fought Trouba at MSG and then the Senators made a comeback with Brady putting up 2 goals including the OT winner? It's convenient how easily we forget what he's capable of. People really take this guy for granted, and it really pisses me off.
You’ve cited 2 examples. One game we lost, and the other (Rangers) game we won.

That seems a little ironic after using the words logic and talking about what people have forgotten and/or take for granted. A 2 game sample is small.

And, is a fight the only thing that will motivate the players to get back into the game and make a more concerted effort?

BTW, I’m not advocating any particular stance. I asked a question (what should Green do). That’s all.
 

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Ok, where was Sanderson last night? Where was Norris? Where was Greig? Where was Pinto? Where was Perron? Where was Amadio? Brady does something to get his team back into it while half the team takes the night off, and he's the one who gets criticized for it? Show me the logic in that?

Remember when Brady fought Trouba at MSG and then the Senators made a comeback with Brady putting up 2 goals including the OT winner? It's convenient how easily we forget what he's capable of. People really take this guy for granted, and it really pisses me off.
Brady is the captain and leads by example. When he plays well and is competitive, they win (go figure). When he’s lazy and uncommitted, they lose. that’s how it goes when you’re made the captain (and clearly he wanted this, his family brought it up during contract negotiations too)

Fighting a player when you’re down 4-1 near the end of a game is not the same as fighting Trouba in the thick of a competitive battle (I forget wha the score was but the sens were definitely in it and eventually came back to win)
 
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OK then, but that begs a question? Will the result of benching Brady be positive overall? I mean from a short term perspective, for the games he misses we might be less likely to win. From a longer term perspective, how will Brady react? Does this push him closer to the exit door?
Seeing how it has worked for other superstars, I'd like to believe that Tkachuk (and every other player on roster) has the professionalism to understand why they might be getting benched and respond with improved play when given another opportunity. I don't think Tkachuk will, but he proved me wrong by improving defensive play last year and would love to eat some crow if he responded to be being benched by addressing the flaws of his game. If it pushes Tkachuk closer to the door, so be it. We need professionals who can handle critique from their coaching staff.

We have the depth to still have a top 9 winger step up and take advantage of an opportunity if a hypothetical bench happens, granted none of our LW options are as good as Tkachuk.
 
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Lol this post is a complete joke. Believe what you want to believe. It's insane how willing you are to twist the words of the coach because you want it to fit your agenda of having Brady be the whipping boy. What kind of fan does that?

Everyone plays. Brady is not the only guy on the team, and I can guarantee you that if they all cared as much as Brady did then we wouldn't be talking about missing the playoffs again.


Legitimate criticism of player's game isn't dumb. Calling for the team to trade him or strip the C off him is, and I will stand by that every time, and if Green didn't feel like being kind to the suffering fanbase, he would've called those fans a lot worse than "dumb".


6 years of trolling from you.

More like 6 years of being right. 6 years of this team being one of the biggest jokes in the league.

It's crazy how people will gaslight to protect Brady.

Don't believe me, believe your eyes. You've seen Brady quit on plays and cheat for offense just as much as everyone else.
 
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I have nothing bad to say about the guy, that's not the only place this stuff comes from. Realities like his NMC and a 7th lost season. Almost half of his career is over. All I care about at this point is getting wins, and they can't seem to get them with him, so why would I care to hold on so tight. There should be no emotional attachment to any single piece of this team. I just want to watch a good f***ing hockey team ffs.
over the years, it has been noted that we hero worship. Teams and leagues use it as a marketing tool. And a as means to distract.

For years the Ads that the Sens ran on Radio or print, was; "Come and cheer on your favorite Senator".

Effectively, come and cheer your favorite Senator, but not the team. And therefore as you cheer him on, do result matter???? So if they lose, you are not disappointed, you saw your favorite Senator.

It is brilliant. Uncouple team results from fan expectation. Now you get a fan preoccupied with his favorite Senator and not the result.

It is the same with "events", promotions, gimmicks. Distract. Get kids to want to see SpartaCat, they nag Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad take the kids.. The kids are happy, the parents are happy. The Sens made $300. WIN OR LOSE.

The problem now becomes, you create emotional attachment and thus anger if that player is traded, mistreated, etc.

We discussed this at length a few months ago. The trading of Karlsson and its impact... The fallout led to the 8 x 8's and Collin white and the other idiot moves. It was to appease fan anger.

We as fans need to grow up and cheer for the logo on the front, not the name on the back. The problem is, from early childhood, we have been bombarded with Hero worship and who is your favorite Senator!!! We will spend $300 to get a Sens Jersey, just so we can put Tkachuk on it.
 
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You’ve cited 2 examples. One game we lost, and the other (Rangers) game we won.

That seems a little ironic after using the words logic and talking about what people have forgotten and/or take for granted. A 2 game sample is small.

And, is a fight the only thing that will motivate the players to get back into the game and make a more concerted effort?

BTW, I’m not advocating any particular stance. I asked a question (what should Green do). That’s all.
What exactly do you want Brady to do? Put on a Superman cape and dangle 5 players every shift? He's not McDavid, he's no MacKinnon, and he's not prime Erik Karlsson. He's Brady Tkachuk. He can score, he can hit, and he can fight, that's what he does well. He did all 3 last game, but because he made a mistake defensively, when there are 19 other guys who also made mistakes that game, he deserves to be criticized? He deserves to have his commitment questioned, his leadership questioned?
 
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Legitimate criticism of player's game isn't dumb. Calling for the team to trade him or strip the C off him is, and I will stand by that every time, and if Green didn't feel like being kind to the suffering fanbase, he would've called those fans a lot worse than "dumb".
Someone wanting the C off Tkachuk or trading him doesn't invalidate them as Sens fan either. Like it's one thing if someone is cheering for the team to fail, but the things mentioned in this thread are explicitly not that lol
 

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Brady is the captain and leads by example. When he plays well and is competitive, they win (go figure). When he’s lazy and uncommitted, they lose. that’s how it goes when you’re made the captain (and clearly he wanted this, his family brought it up during contract negotiations too)

Fighting a player when you’re down 4-1 near the end of a game is not the same as fighting Trouba in the thick of a competitive battle (I forget wha the score was but the sens were definitely in it and eventually came back to win)
Oh so that's how it works, a team is just as good as the captain? Why does Pittsburgh suck so much this year then? Is Crosby a bad leader?
 
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Scratching Brady or benching Brady would be a step in the right direction of accountability.

But we ALL know that Brady is not going to take it like a proffessional causing even more problems with the group.

And that is why this team has loser identity.

Spoiled unproffesional babies who expect things to be handed to them including the playoffs and the cup. And this mentality is best exemplified by the captain.

So again no wonder this team has loser mentality.
 
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Oh so that's how it works, a team is just as good as the captain? Why does Pittsburgh suck so much this year then? Is Crosby a bad leader?
Crosby’s old and has 3 Stanley cups to his resume lol why don’t we bring up the fact their team went to the playoffs like 15+ straight years…

Look I think Brady can still be the solution but he didn’t get insulated well enough and some bad habits have crept in, and some of it is immaturity as well (like last year’s comments against fans, amongst other things). He needs more mentorship in my opinion, but I think situation is too messy to get that here…
 

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Are you comparing Sidney Crosby and Brady Takchuk like all NHL Captains are equal and the same?

Daniel Alfredsson is the same as Olli Jokinen then?
Obviously not, but keep makin your bad faith arguments.

I'm pointing out the bad argument of saying captains lead by example and if the team isn't good then it's the captain's fault.

Crosby’s old and has 3 Stanley cups to his resume lol why don’t we bring up the fact their team went to the playoffs like 15+ straight years…
He was 14th in NHL scoring last year, age is clearly not an excuse here. His team is going to miss the playoffs 2 years in a row now, so he's a bad leader then right? I'm just using your logic here.
 

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If you can't see that Brady is making a commitment to play better defensively this year then you just really can't read hockey all that well. I'm sorry. He's doing things on the defensive side of the puck this year that he never has done before, he's clearly showing effort in an emphasis to that side of that game. That's not an overnight process. He's not going to go from the no defense player he was under DJ Smith (who let him get away with anything) to some Mark Stone type winger after 20 games with Green. He's still going to make mistakes, he's still going to slip back into bad habits. The important thing is he continues the trajectory to improving that side of the game.

And it's laughably disingenuous to frame this as some legitimate criticism of Brady's defensive game when there's so many fans talking about trading him or stripping him of the C. You're not fooling anyone.
Pal, I watch the same games you do. Feel free to make an argument without questioning my ability to read the game. I know what it looks like when someone coasts on a backcheck, or disappears from the d-zone to cheat a breakout and then has to circle back into the zone because he left his squad a man down. I'm gonna provide an example. You wanna provide an example of a defensively responsible play?

Example: 5th goal against for Edm

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Brady south of centre ice, expecting a pass from a contested puck. He is in a position to help win this puck, but makes a different choice

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Note how he his the only Senator with momentum into the o-zone because he's anticipated a pass that will not come.

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He recognizes the loss of the contested puck and circles back

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And is the last man into the zone.

Would you like other examples? This ain't the only one I can think of.

This is the kind of stuff that is costing us goals against. We cannot expect success when 1/5 guys on the ice is coasting back into the zone off a contested neutral or d-zone puck battle.

What exactly do you want Brady to do? Put on a Superman cape and dangle 5 players every shift? He's not McDavid, he's no MacKinnon, and he's not prime Erik Karlsson. He's Brady Tkachuk. He can score, he can hit, and he can fight, that's what he does well. He did all 3 last game, but because he made a mistake defensively, when there are 19 other guys who also made mistakes that game, he deserves to be criticized? He deserves to have his commitment questioned, his leadership questioned?
10/10 hyperbole. Not a single person here is asking for this. Being defensively responsible doesn't require a herculean effort, my god.
 
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What exactly do you want Brady to do? Put on a Superman cape and dangle 5 players every shift? He's not McDavid, he's no MacKinnon, and he's not prime Erik Karlsson. He's Brady Tkachuk. He can score, he can hit, and he can fight, that's what he does well. He did all 3 last game, but because he made a mistake defensively, when there are 19 other guys who also made mistakes that game, he deserves to be criticized? He deserves to have his commitment questioned, his leadership questioned?
You seem to be very defensive and haven’t even addressed the question about what Green can do. And regardless of not addressing the question, you are making several assumptions such as: 1. Fighting in the late stages of the game (last few minutes) is appropriate. 2. There are no other alternatives than fighting and even so, there is no other time to do it other than the last few minutes? 3. Brady is the only person that can do this. There are no other players that can fight assuming that’s even the appropriate or effective response of course. Your responses are emotional (paradoxical) ones even though you say things like “show me the logic”.
 
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I hate to see my fellow Sens fans arguing over Brady. He's the captain, and I guarantee you he's not going anywhere. The Sens won't move him, and he won't ask for a trade; he is not Matthew.

I too hate when he flies off the handle and gets too emotional but he wears his emotions on his sleeve. We are fortunate to have him on this team.

If you want to point fingers, point them at Staois and Poulin for seeing potential in guys like Amadio, Perron, Cousins, and Gregor. For thinking, Hamonic and JBD are the answer on defense, and Kleven is ready for regular NHL minutes over the 82 games. The depth of this team is awful.

Pinto also looks like he has taken a step back after missing 41 games last year.
 
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I hate to see my fellow Sens fans arguing over Brady. He's the captain, and I guarantee you he's not going anywhere. The Sens won't move him, and he won't ask for a trade; he is not Matthew.

I too hate when he flies off the handle and gets too emotional but he wears his emotions on his sleeve. We are fortunate to have him on this team.

If you want to point fingers, point them at Staois and Poulin for seeing potential in guys like Amadio, Perron, Cousins, and Gregor. For thinking, Hamonic and JBD are the answer on defense, and Kleven is ready for regular NHL minutes over the 82 games. The depth of the is team is awful.

Pinto also looks like he has taken a step back after missing 41 games last year.
There is enough blame to go around multiple times over.
 

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Obviously not, but keep makin your bad faith arguments.

I'm pointing out the bad argument of saying captains lead by example and if the team isn't good then it's the captain's fault.


He was 14th in NHL scoring last year, age is clearly not an excuse here. His team is going to miss the playoffs 2 years in a row now, so he's a bad leader then right? I'm just using your logic here.
When Brady makes the playoffs as many times as Crosby did, he’ll get the benefit of the doubt. I think you’re just being obtuse cuz there isn’t much of a Defence for Brady’s immaturity
 
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Pal, I watch the same games you do. Feel free to make an argument without questioning my ability to read the game. I know what it looks like when someone coasts on a backcheck, or disappears from the d-zone to cheat a breakout and then has to circle back into the zone because he left his squad a man down. I'm gonna provide an example. You wanna provide an example of a defensively responsible play?

Example: 5th goal against for Edm

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Brady south of centre ice, expecting a pass from a contested puck. He is in a position to help win this puck, but makes a different choice

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Note how he his the only Senator with momentum into the o-zone because he's anticipated a pass that will not come.

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He recognizes the loss of the contested puck and circles back

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And is the last man into the zone.

Would you like other examples? This ain't the only one I can think of.

This is the kind of stuff that is costing us goals against. We cannot expect success when 1/5 guys on the ice is coasting back into the zone off a contested neutral or d-zone puck battle.


10/10 hyperbole. Not a single person here is asking for this. Being defensively responsible doesn't require a herculean effort, my god.
This is so unnecessary, I already said he makes mistakes defensively. That's not my point, bringing up examples of bad defensive play (in the form of screenshots, wtf is that?) is pointless, because I'm not saying he's fine defensively.

DJ Smith clearly gave Brady free reign to do whatever he wanted out there. Brady was never asked to play a defensive game under DJ, and as Staios said last week, the structured defensive game is something that wasn't there under DJ, it's new for this team, and that means it's new for Brady. That defensive side of the game comes easier to some players, and it looks like it's not something that comes easy for Brady. You see it as being lazy on a backcheck, but what it really is is Brady falling into old habits because that's how he was allowed to play under DJ. If you watch Brady closely, you can see numerous times throughout the game where he's much more involved defensively in his own end than he ever used to be. Green was saying earlier (when we were winning games) that Brady is a guy who has been really committed to changing his game. That's a process, it doesn't happen overnight, it doesn't happen after 20 games, and he's going to make mistakes and fall back into bad habits every now and then. The expectations people have of him are silly. Yes he has tp be better defensively. That doesn't mean that people need to question his commitment to the team, call for him to be traded, and say he shouldn't be captain.
 
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I hate to see my fellow Sens fans arguing over Brady. He's the captain, and I guarantee you he's not going anywhere. The Sens won't move him, and he won't ask for a trade; he is not Matthew.

You can guarantee none of this.

I can guarantee that he was paying very close attention when Matthew asked to be moved, picked his Southern destination, and then won a Cup.
 

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Obviously not, but keep makin your bad faith arguments.

I'm pointing out the bad argument of saying captains lead by example and if the team isn't good then it's the captain's fault.


He was 14th in NHL scoring last year, age is clearly not an excuse here. His team is going to miss the playoffs 2 years in a row now, so he's a bad leader then right? I'm just using your logic here.

Why your point makes no sense is no one picked Pittsburg to make the playoffs and they have been bad all season, and everyone picked Ottawa to make the playoffs and they have played well early but have completely gotten away from that game and you see it clear as day with Brady loosing his cool and not competing and cheating because he’s got an alternative story in his head to the team game he’s supposed to be leading.

Brady needs to improve, he just can’t become a 1 man show. He can’t get kicked out of games when his team is facing a long losing streak. He is fighting losers on the other team, that’s their game plan not ours, his play is to predictable to use against him and it works to often, he’s a sucker, I hate to say it but it’s true
 
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