Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Oscar The Grouch]

Are you serious? Shooting the puck at Niedermeyer, mocking the Sundin broken stick, the Tucker hit from behind into the boards? Plus 2 holdouts for contract disputes and a trade request?
Loved him as a player but let's not pretend he was this great example of how to lead a team.

Lol, what is this trash post

 

[bicboi64]

The sundin stick throwing thing was hilarious. Even sundin himself thought so.

It's the light hearted trolling the NHL needs more of. Harmless stuff that is funny, but doesn't hurt anyone.

It's baffling how that move can be considered poor leadership.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It's the light hearted trolling the NHL needs more of. Harmless stuff that is funny, but doesn't hurt anyone.

It's baffling how that move can be considered poor leadership.

I think that's the first time I've ever seen someone on the Sens side not like that move. Crazy to me.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't think this should be divisive

 

[Relapsing]

I don't think this should be divisive

Feel free to get on with the teaching then bud.

Or maybe remind him to prioritize team defense over scoring more, idk.

 

[bicboi64]

I think that's the first time I've ever seen someone on the Sens side not like that move. Crazy to me.

Trolling a team you're beating 7-1 is how rivalries are built. It was fun especially because Sundin wasn't playing against Ottawa because he got suspended and it got under Leafs nation's skin, something we needed considering how badly we lost to them in the playoffs.

Brady tries to mock opposing rivals when we're losing, like the nonsense he did against Hutson. Like if we're winning, sure, play mental games, but if we're losing against a bottom feeder, attempting to troll the guy who's torching our team is just weaksauce.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I'm glad Green came to his defense today. It's completely stupid and pathetic how some fans are turning on this guy. He plays with emotion and is willing to fight for this team, and people want to use that against him because they've lost some games? That's bullshit. He's leading this team in goals and people want to give him shit because he's not Erik Karlsson and can't take over and win games by himself.

And the Alfie comparisons are dumb too. Alfie is my all time favorite, but it wasn't until he was in his 30s that he established himself as a great leader, and he also had far better teams to work with as well.

Imagine if fans treated Neil with the same attitude. Brady is a warrior like Neil was. This guy will fight for this team more than anyone on the roster, and people want to run him out of town. Green absolutely nailed it when he said he'd rather a guy make mistakes because he's too emotional and cares too much rather than a player make mistakes because he's unmotivated. It's shameful behavior the way fans are treating Brady, like actually embarrassing.

 

[Big Muddy]

This is a big factor that I think will lead to him getting traded before July 1st.

If he stays beyond July 1st, he doesn't really have 3 seasons left with the Senators because every season that goes by with this team still being a shit show increases the odds that a star like him would ask out, and the closer he gets to being a free agent (1 year, 2 years, etc), along with his NMC (I'll give you 3 teams now, but 1 team if you wait), he would have the leverage to force a trade.

It might end up being a blessing in disguise that we are bad this season if it expedites a retool before his NMC. The last thing we needed was for this team to be a flash in the pan, we keep Brady beyond his NMC, and then after a bad 2025-2026 and 2026-27 we lost him for nothing relative to his value. Of course the best case scenario would have been this team being legitimate and showing they could be a playoff team going forward - but I am not referring to that.

By moving him before his NMC kicks in, we could possibly get a piece or pieces that helps this team for the next 5-10 years. Once his NMC kicks in, we're not getting that. We're getting a late 1st, a roster player, and a couple of B or C prospects.

In a perfect world, our rebuild would have worked out and they would have built a statue of Brady in the Byward Market, but I think people have to accept that probably won't happen.

Moving Brady would result in getting assets back no doubt. I think the question to ask is would we better off? It sounds good, and if you press the easy button, then yes we would be better. But, its not automatic or a given that we’d be better. I’m not pretending to have any answers, but I sense there’s a lot of assumptions being made.

 

[Big Muddy]

Feel free to get on with the teaching then bud.

Or maybe remind him to prioritize team defense over scoring more, idk.

Like what then - maybe sit him in the 3rd period when we are behind and things are looking like they could get ugly? Green (Alfie, whoever) would have to explain to him that he is benched because the team is still trying to win and another penalty is not going to help.

This ^ sounds simple enough, but in a broader sense the question is what can Green do?

 

[bicboi64]

Like what then - maybe sit him in the 3rd period when we are behind and things are looking like they could get ugly? Green (Alfie, whoever) would have to explain to him that he is benched because the team is still trying to win and another penalty is not going to help.

This ^ sounds simple enough, but in a broader sense the question is what can Green do?

Let him know if he fights or gets in the box in the third when we're down by a few goals, he's getting benched.

Brady Tkachuk is more useful to the team when he's on the ice trying to score as oppose to taking a dumb penalty/fighting. Trying to score objectively helps the team win games, the other nonsense is some old bro culture crap that has no empirical basis for helping us win games.

If Jon Cooper can bench his best players on TB, Travis Green should be able to as well. Tkachuk's emotions are so misguided, like he takes the easy way out by trying to rally up the team via dumb penalty instead of controlling his emotions and showing composure while trying to score goals.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Like what then - maybe sit him in the 3rd period when we are behind and things are looking like they could get ugly? Green (Alfie, whoever) would have to explain to him that he is benched because the team is still trying to win and another penalty is not going to help.

This ^ sounds simple enough, but in a broader sense the question is what can Green do?

Brady got them back in the game with his antics in the previous game, he brought emotion back into the team that was looking lifeless. Green even said that after the game that he probably got them back into it. Have people here completely lost the plot? Brady can seemingly do no good, everything he does on the ice is apparently the wrong thing and is making the team lose according to Sens fans at the moment.

 

[Tuna99]

I don't think this should be divisive

20 games in and Green has an “us vs the world” mentality. So not good.

He also said point blank they aren’t playing hard enough and they aren’t committed to the system - and when fans say it they are “crazy”, when Green says it its “coaching”

Also love how the media turns it on the fans when every analyst and many in that room have said Brady missed backcehcks and isn’t mature. But of course blame the fans for the criticism and not the analyst who were in the room because they don’t want to own it, they just put it on the nameless “fan”

Media in this city is the buffet at an old age home

 

[Relapsing]

Like what then - maybe sit him in the 3rd period when we are behind and things are looking like they could get ugly? Green (Alfie, whoever) would have to explain to him that he is benched because the team is still trying to win and another penalty is not going to help.

This ^ sounds simple enough, but in a broader sense the question is what can Green do?

He doesn't need to wait until the 3rd period. Brady cheats zone exits and misses assignments during any period. Doesn't have to be because he took a bad penalty.

Green can actively set examples. I haven't really seen him do that this year to anyone in the 'core'.

I'm glad Green came to his defense today. It's completely stupid and pathetic how some fans are turning on this guy. He plays with emotion and is willing to fight for this team, and people want to use that against him because they've lost some games? That's bullshit. He's leading this team in goals and people want to give him shit because he's not Erik Karlsson and can't take over and win games by himself.

And the Alfie comparisons are dumb too. Alfie is my all time favorite, but it wasn't until he was in his 30s that he established himself as a great leader, and he also had far better teams to work with as well.

Imagine if fans treated Neil with the same attitude. Brady is a warrior like Neil was. This guy will fight for this team more than anyone on the roster, and people want to run him out of town. Green absolutely nailed it when he said he'd rather a guy make mistakes because he's too emotional and cares too much rather than a player make mistakes because he's unmotivated. It's shameful behavior the way fans are treating Brady, like actually embarrassing.

Lets be clear that some of us are less about him having emotion, and more about him not playing a team defense first game. I'd gladly take less goals for for less goals against. As for Alfie, he is literally on the bench, in his ear during the game, and is a shining example of the style of play Brady should be emulating every night.

Brady got them back in the game with his antics in the previous game, he brought emotion back into the team that was looking lifeless. Green even said that after the game that he probably got them back into it. Have people here completely lost the plot? Brady can seemingly do no good, everything he does on the ice is apparently the wrong thing and is making the team lose according to Sens fans at the moment.

And he still ended the night at a -1. Be more defensively responsible, and maybe his goal helps them even the game instead.

What's hard to understand about this line of criticism? Are people not watching him during games? Constantly cheating for offense. Always the last man back. Multiple examples of him giving up on a backcheck to our detriment as a team.

 

[Big Muddy]

Let him know if he fights or gets in the box in the third when we're down by a few goals, he's getting benched.

Brady Tkachuk is more useful to the team when he's on the ice trying to score as oppose to taking a dumb penalty/fighting. Trying to score objectively helps the team win games, the other nonsense is some old bro culture crap that has no empirical basis for helping us win games.

If Jon Cooper can bench his best players on TB, Travis Green should be able to as well. Tkachuk's emotions are so misguided, like he takes the easy way out by trying to rally up the team via dumb penalty instead of controlling his emotions and showing composure while trying to score goals.

OK. That was an answer that I provided to my own question in my post.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Moving Brady would result in getting assets back no doubt. I think the question to ask is would we better off? It sounds good, and if you press the easy button, then yes we would be better. But, its not automatic or a given that we’d be better. I’m not pretending to have any answers, but I sense there’s a lot of assumptions being made.

He has a NMC starting July 1st and is a free agent in 3 seasons after this one. It's common for players with his leverage to ask out of failed rebuilds.

I don't think anybody is arguing that we would get more value from trading Brady this season than we would from keeping him for 10 more seasons. The argument predicates on us getting more value than possibly 1-2 more years of Brady and then having to trade him from a position of weakness.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

20 games in and Green has an “us vs the world” mentality. So not good.

He also said point blank they aren’t playing hard enough and they aren’t committed to the system - and when fans say it they are “crazy”, when Green says it its “coaching”

Also love how they turn it on the fans when every analyst has said Brady missed backcehcks and isn’t mature. But of course blame the fans for the criticism and not the analyst who were in the room.

Media in this city is the buffet at an old age home

When fans are acting as dumb as they are in regards to Brady, he has every right to have an "Us vs Them" mentality.

So what Brady missed backchecks and is immature? Everyone plays, not just Brady. People are signaling out Brady for his mistakes when the whole team is playing like trash, but at least Brady is fighting for this team and continues to bring passion every night. You and the rest of these so called "Sens fans" should be thankful to have a guy who's response to adversity is to bring more passion, instead of becoming withdrawn and afraid.

 

[Big Muddy]

Brady got them back in the game with his antics in the previous game, he brought emotion back into the team that was looking lifeless. Green even said that after the game that he probably got them back into it. Have people here completely lost the plot? Brady can seemingly do no good, everything he does on the ice is apparently the wrong thing and is making the team lose according to Sens fans at the moment.

OK, remember the big picture and that I’m playing devils advocate. I’m trying to steer this away from the more emotional thinking & responses.

Did we win that game? Rhetorical question, so the answer is no. Was it too little too late? Answer: Probably.

In other games, when Brady did this, did we stage a successful comeback? I’d say (guess as I don’t have all the data in front of me) the answer is no.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

He doesn't need to wait until the 3rd period. Brady cheats zone exits and misses assignments during any period. Doesn't have to be because he took a bad penalty.

Green can actively set examples. I haven't really seen him do that this year to anyone in the 'core'.


Lets be clear that some of us are less about him having emotion, and more about him not playing a team defense first game. I'd gladly take less goals for for less goals against. As for Alfie, he is literally on the bench, in his ear during the game, and is a shining example of the style of play Brady should be emulating every night.


And he still ended the night at a -1. Be more defensively responsible, and maybe his goal helps them even the game instead.

What's hard to understand about this line of criticism? Are people not watching him during games? Constantly cheating for offense. Always the last man back. Multiple examples of him giving up on a backcheck to our detriment as a team.

If you can't see that Brady is making a commitment to play better defensively this year then you just really can't read hockey all that well. I'm sorry. He's doing things on the defensive side of the puck this year that he never has done before, he's clearly showing effort in an emphasis to that side of that game. That's not an overnight process. He's not going to go from the no defense player he was under DJ Smith (who let him get away with anything) to some Mark Stone type winger after 20 games with Green. He's still going to make mistakes, he's still going to slip back into bad habits. The important thing is he continues the trajectory to improving that side of the game.

And it's laughably disingenuous to frame this as some legitimate criticism of Brady's defensive game when there's so many fans talking about trading him or stripping him of the C. You're not fooling anyone.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I have nothing bad to say about the guy, that's not the only place this stuff comes from. Realities like his NMC and a 7th lost season. Almost half of his career is over. All I care about at this point is getting wins, and they can't seem to get them with him, so why would I care to hold on so tight. There should be no emotional attachment to any single piece of this team. I just want to watch a good f***ing hockey team ffs.

 

[Tuna99]

When fans are acting as dumb as they are in regards to Brady, he has every right to have an "Us vs Them" mentality.

So what Brady missed backchecks and is immature? Everyone plays, not just Brady. People are signaling out Brady for his mistakes when the whole team is playing like trash, but at least Brady is fighting for this team and continues to bring passion every night. You and the rest of these so called "Sens fans" should be thankful to have a guy who's response to adversity is to bring more passion, instead of becoming withdrawn and afraid.

Just because the explanations from Green make sense doesn’t mean what he is saying is complimentary or supportive. He has his players back, but he thinks they are playing like shit and said that in this interview.

Brady had a Passion for what? Winning? Does this look like a player that is doing everything to win when you see him quit on backchecks and the coach admits they didn’t practice hard and were flat for a week for no reason? Gave up on the bench. C’mon dude, believe your eyes.

Travis Green called him “young” today, that’s not a compliment to an 8 year NHL player who has +450 NHL games and is the Captain of an NHL team.

 

[bicboi64]

When fans are acting as dumb as they are in regards to Brady, he has every right to have an "Us vs Them" mentality.

So what Brady missed backchecks and is immature? Everyone plays, not just Brady. People are signaling out Brady for his mistakes when the whole team is playing like trash, but at least Brady is fighting for this team and continues to bring passion every night. You and the rest of these so called "Sens fans" should be thankful to have a guy who's response to adversity is to bring more passion, instead of becoming withdrawn and afraid.

Mate, if you're going to start calling fellow fans dumb and questioning their authenticity because of their opinion of a hockey player on a message board, maybe it's time to take a break.

Criticism of any player doesn't make anyone less of a Sens fan than you.

 

[Big Muddy]

He has a NMC starting July 1st and is a free agent in 3 seasons after this one. It's common for players with his leverage to ask out of failed rebuilds.

I don't think anybody is arguing that we would get more value from trading Brady this season than we would from keeping him for 10 more seasons. The argument predicates on us getting more value than possibly 1-2 more years of Brady and then having to trade him from a position of weakness.

Yes, I know about Tkachuk’s contract and agree on the leverage point. I think people in here way too often make an assumption that other posters don’t have the basic info. Maybe its a trend to not give people credit and just assume they are missing the obvious?

The real questions in my post are:

a) Will we end up being more successful for sure if we go down this path?
b) Will people support and be patient with a 5 - 7 year rebuild? By people, I mean not only HF Sens posters, but fans who attend the games (hence a question on the impact on fan attendance & Senators financial health).

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I'm glad Green came to his defense today. It's completely stupid and pathetic how some fans are turning on this guy. He plays with emotion and is willing to fight for this team, and people want to use that against him because they've lost some games? That's bullshit. He's leading this team in goals and people want to give him shit because he's not Erik Karlsson and can't take over and win games by himself.

And the Alfie comparisons are dumb too. Alfie is my all time favorite, but it wasn't until he was in his 30s that he established himself as a great leader, and he also had far better teams to work with as well.

Imagine if fans treated Neil with the same attitude. Brady is a warrior like Neil was. This guy will fight for this team more than anyone on the roster, and people want to run him out of town. Green absolutely nailed it when he said he'd rather a guy make mistakes because he's too emotional and cares too much rather than a player make mistakes because he's unmotivated. It's shameful behavior the way fans are treating Brady, like actually embarrassing.

Lol Brady cares too much but can't be bothered to backcheck? Or play a team game?

Dude simply doesn't care about winning as much as he likes padding his stats. It's 6 years of this crap.

 

[Dionysus]

The only group that folds under pressure quicker than the Sens team is Sens fans lol. Things turn the wrong way and it's scapegoat time.

Going to drive Brady out and regret it when we are looking for a player like him.

Not saying he's perfect. I've noticed the missed assignments, leaving the zone too early, forced passes.

Brady playing on a well-constructed team, supported by good players will be an absolute force. Hope it is in Ottawa. If not we will just be watching another former Sens star win a cup somewhere else. Brady trying to drag this sorry group around since he was 19 has been grueling.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

OK, remember the big picture and that I’m playing devils advocate. I’m trying to steer this away from the more emotional thinking & responses.

Did we win that game? Rhetorical question, so the answer is no. Was it too little too late? Answer: Probably.

In other games, when Brady did this, did we stage a successful comeback? I’d say (guess as I don’t have all the data in front of me) the answer is no.

Ok, where was Sanderson last night? Where was Norris? Where was Greig? Where was Pinto? Where was Perron? Where was Amadio? Brady does something to get his team back into it while half the team takes the night off, and he's the one who gets criticized for it? Show me the logic in that?

Remember when Brady fought Trouba at MSG and then the Senators made a comeback with Brady putting up 2 goals including the OT winner? It's convenient how easily we forget what he's capable of. People really take this guy for granted, and it really pisses me off.