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brad mccrimmon hall of famer?

eddytheeagle20

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brad mccrimmon played 18 season in the nhl piling up 88 goals and 403 assist
his d partner in boston was ray bourque he then went to philly and played with mark howe he then moved to calgary and played with al macginnis then went to hartford and played with chris pronger then detriot and played with lidstrom he played with 5 hall of famers as his d-partners should he be inducted into the hall of fame as well his offensive stats are not that great bud his plus minus is among the best all time what are your thoughts
 
i just re read my previos post and ran out of breath. lol

yes i watched cbc and watched ron's piece on brad but i just thought it would make a intrestin topic to talk about
 
No he shouldn't be. I really haven't heard anyone calling his name out either and if they did you'd hate to think it might have a lot to do with his tragic death last summer. I think this is also why some people relied on their emotions and called for Pat Burns to get in. McCrimmon, like Burns, has so many people ahead of him that deserve it more that it is pretty much a lost cause that he ever gets in.
 
If McCrimmon had played on a dynasty team he would have probably already been in: witness Serge Savard. Savard was not a particularly potent offensive talent but was a defensively responsible player who led teams to success. If you look at the players in the top ten of career +/- Savard and McCrimmon stand out as the only predominantly defensive players.

But McCrimmon only won the one Stanley Cup (Savard won... eight?), never got an award other than for one year of leading the league in +/- (Savard had a Conn Smythe and Masterton to his credit), only made the second All-Star team once (as did Savard). As such he'll never make it.
 
If McCrimmon had played on a dynasty team he would have probably already been in: witness Serge Savard. Savard was not a particularly potent offensive talent but was a defensively responsible player who led teams to success. If you look at the players in the top ten of career +/- Savard and McCrimmon stand out as the only predominantly defensive players.

But McCrimmon only won the one Stanley Cup (Savard won... eight?), never got an award other than for one year of leading the league in +/- (Savard had a Conn Smythe and Masterton to his credit), only made the second All-Star team once (as did Savard). As such he'll never make it.

Their Norris voting record is:
Savard - 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 8
McCrimmon - 4, 6

It isn't really very close and the 1970s were certainly not a weak era for defensemen either competing against Savard.

McCrimmon keep in mind never played on a weak team for the first 15 years of his career either. Was often on Cup contenders. As for controlling the play there is no doubt Savard could do that much better. He allowed Robinson to rush up the ice more often because everyone knew Savard would hang back.

But what gets underrated about Savard was his anticipation. He knew when to rush and when to sit back.
 
to my thinking, you would put savard and rod langway at the very top tier of defense-first guys. mccrimmon would be in the next tier, along with derian hatcher, adam foote, mike ramsey, craig ludwig, kevin lowe, maybe ken morrow would belong there too?

the difference, i think, is that a guy like savard and langway were so good defensively that they could control the flow of the game. of the second tier, hatcher is the closest to being able to do that. the other guys were all excellent blood and guts defenders, but they stopped the other team's offense, they didn't impose their will on the game.
 
No. You don't elect a guy to the HOF just because he played with HOF partners.
 
to set the record straight, mccrimmon rarely if ever played with macinnis. when mccrimmon was in calgary, macinnis' partner was usually macoun. mccrimmon played with suter, and i think his partner was ramage when suter was injured during the '89 cup run.

also, mccrimmon only was bourque's partner for one of the three seasons they were teammates. hard to say mccrimmon had a lot to do with bourquee's development when bourque was a first team all-star as a 19 year old rookie, while mccrimmon was playing third pairing minutes and having trouble living up to his pre-draft billing as a 20 year old rookie the same year. in fact, the three years they were teammates, bourque was a first team all-star the two years he wasn't mccrimmon's partner, and "only" a second team all-star the year they were paired. if anyone should be credited with bourque's development, it's hall of famer brad park, as well as mike o'connell, who went to boston in bourque and mccrimmon's second year. bourque has publicly acknowledged his debt to both park and o'connell.

mccrimmon certainly was howe's ideal partner, and that was a phenomenal pairing. they brought out the best in each other.

but the mccrimmon that's being celebrated as a moulder of great young defensemen is the guy who went to calgary and was paired with 23 year old gary suter, who was coming off a disappointing sophomore season to follow his calder year. their first year together, mccrimmon helped suter to a career high 91 points, both were top five in +/- with mccrimmon leading the league, and both were second team all-stars (the only time for either guy).

and definitely, mccrimmon has to be credited with the development of lidstrom and pronger. by that point, he was a guy you wanted to pick up if you had a young potential star offensive defenseman that needed to be shown the ropes.

i still wish my canucks had hired him when he didn't get the atlanta head coaching job and alain vigneault was coming off that disappointing season where the canucks imploded down the stretch and missed the playoffs. i can only imagine what he would have done with edler and bieksa, and i bet he could have turned shane o'brien into a solid citizen and a non-liable contributor. more importantly, he would still be alive today.

but all that said it seems nuts to claim, as ron maclean implied last night, that a 20 year old mccrimmon helped 19 year old bourque the same way he helped 19 year old pronger as a 34 year old. there's remembering what a guy did, and then there's revisionist history, which in my opinion is unfair to the great things mccrimmon did do in his career.
 
to set the record straight, mccrimmon rarely if ever played with macinnis. when mccrimmon was in calgary, macinnis' partner was usually macoun. mccrimmon played with suter, and i think his partner was ramage when suter was injured during the '89 cup run.

also, mccrimmon only was bourque's partner for one of the three seasons they were teammates. hard to say mccrimmon had a lot to do with bourquee's development when bourque was a first team all-star as a 19 year old rookie, while mccrimmon was playing third pairing minutes and having trouble living up to his pre-draft billing as a 20 year old rookie the same year. in fact, the three years they were teammates, bourque was a first team all-star the two years he wasn't mccrimmon's partner, and "only" a second team all-star the year they were paired. if anyone should be credited with bourque's development, it's hall of famer brad park, as well as mike o'connell, who went to boston in bourque and mccrimmon's second year. bourque has publicly acknowledged his debt to both park and o'connell.

mccrimmon certainly was howe's ideal partner, and that was a phenomenal pairing. they brought out the best in each other.

but the mccrimmon that's being celebrated as a moulder of great young defensemen is the guy who went to calgary and was paired with 23 year old gary suter, who was coming off a disappointing sophomore season to follow his calder year. their first year together, mccrimmon helped suter to a career high 91 points, both were top five in +/- with mccrimmon leading the league, and both were second team all-stars (the only time for either guy).

and definitely, mccrimmon has to be credited with the development of lidstrom and pronger. by that point, he was a guy you wanted to pick up if you had a young potential star offensive defenseman that needed to be shown the ropes.

i still wish my canucks had hired him when he didn't get the atlanta head coaching job and alain vigneault was coming off that disappointing season where the canucks imploded down the stretch and missed the playoffs. i can only imagine what he would have done with edler and bieksa, and i bet he could have turned shane o'brien into a solid citizen and a non-liable contributor. more importantly, he would still be alive today.

but all that said it seems nuts to claim, as ron maclean implied last night, that a 20 year old mccrimmon helped 19 year old bourque the same way he helped 19 year old pronger as a 34 year old. there's remembering what a guy did, and then there's revisionist history, which in my opinion is unfair to the great things mccrimmon did do in his career.

thank you for explaining this to me i heard ron maclean say that and thought this guys a hall of famer i never got to see brad play when he retired in 97 i was only 5 years old from your post i get the feeling that brad was a good role plaer and leader who made his partners better but not quite a hall of fame guy
 
You have a good memory, and probably did some research too. The claim that McCrimmon taught Bourque anything is flat out wrong. Mccrimmon did play some with Bourque that first year but it only took 20 games to see it wasn't working. Brad M spent time with a few of Boston's d for his time there..It included everyone but Park basically. Bourque absolutely picked Park's Brain about everything. That, as much as anything let Bourque develop from a skinny rusher with an abundance of talent into someone special.

thank you for explaining this to me i heard ron maclean say that and thought this guys a hall of famer i never got to see brad play when he retired in 97 i was only 5 years old from your post i get the feeling that brad was a good role plaer and leader who made his partners better but not quite a hall of fame guy

thanks for the kind words. and thanks for filling in the gaps, cn6.

definitely too young to remember mccrimmon and young bourque in boston. i'm going by things i remember hearing/reading bourque say in interviews after he won his first calder trophy (over howe, incidentally). definitely remembering him saying a lot about park and o'connell.

but i definitely remember the calgary years, as well as the '87 flyers though not as clearly. as a young canucks fan i have a weird respect/admiration/hatred for those powerhouse flames. i talk about that group on the history board all the time, and my interest in that team probably borders on unhealthy.

mccrimmon was one of my absolute favourite guys on that team, along with fleury and otto even though otto clearly kicked it in with his skate in '89. nieuwendyk, suter, and vernon i had considerably less admiration for.
 
I liked Mccrimmon, the guy was a terrific defenseman but he's not a Hall of Famer. Hall Of Very Good? Yes, but he's not a Hall of Famer.
 
to my thinking, you would put savard and rod langway at the very top tier of defense-first guys. mccrimmon would be in the next tier, along with derian hatcher, adam foote, mike ramsey, craig ludwig, kevin lowe, maybe ken morrow would belong there too?

the difference, i think, is that a guy like savard and langway were so good defensively that they could control the flow of the game. of the second tier, hatcher is the closest to being able to do that. the other guys were all excellent blood and guts defenders, but they stopped the other team's offense, they didn't impose their will on the game.

Fair points. Controlling the pace of the game requires the eye test and actually seeing the player do this from the back end. It won't necessarily show up on the scoreboard
 

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