Bouchard vs Dobson

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Who do you take going forward?

Edit: Can a mod please move this to polls in general, my bad posted it in the wrong place.

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[SoupNazi]

Will move

 

[ijuka]

Bouchard then, Bouchard a year ago, Bouchard now, Bouchard future.

Lol at the results, though.

 

[stevo61]

Bouchard then, Bouchard a year ago, Bouchard now, Bouchard future.

Lol at the results, though.

Dobson just put up 70 points on a team that scored nearly 50 less goals and he plays defense. If I was picking for a hardest shot competition Bouchard would be my guy but otherwise give me Dobson

 

[Senor Catface]

Dobson just put up 70 points on a team that scored nearly 50 less goals and he plays defense. If I was picking for a hardest shot competition Bouchard would be my guy but otherwise give me Dobson

Interesting how that offense dries up so quickly in the playoffs year after year.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Dobson just put up 70 points on a team that scored nearly 50 less goals and he plays defense. If I was picking for a hardest shot competition Bouchard would be my guy but otherwise give me Dobson

Dobson was better in the regular season, but I think you're both underrating Bouchard's defense and severely overrating Dobson's defense. In the playoffs though, Dobson had 1 point and was hemmed in his own zone, while Bouchard sure had notable gaffes now and then, but overall played a strong transition game, and an excellent offensive game and played a role in the Oilers making it to game 7 of SCF.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Dobson then, Dobson a year ago, Dobson now, Dobson future.

I guess most agree.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Dobson then, Dobson a year ago, extremely close but a slight edge to Dobson now, future uncertain for me.

Dobson then, Dobson a year ago, Dobson now, Dobson future.

I guess most agree.

 

[ijuka]

Dobson then, Dobson a year ago, Dobson now, Dobson future.

I guess most agree.

Yeah, ignoring performance is fun.

 

[stevo61]

Dobson was better in the regular season, but I think you're both underrating Bouchard's defense and severely overrating Dobson's defense. In the playoffs though, Dobson had 1 point and was hemmed in his own zone, while Bouchard sure had notable gaffes now and then, but overall played a strong transition game, and an excellent offensive game and played a role in the Oilers making it to game 7 of SCF.

And you dont think things would be different if they swapped teams? Little bit different playing on a contender that has 2 of the best players in the game vs the Islanders

 

[ijuka]

Dobson just put up 70 points on a team that scored nearly 50 less goals and he plays defense.

Yeah, plays defense worse than Bouchard.

For example, offensive zone time 40% on Dobson(below avg), 46.7% on Bouchard(98th percentile, McDavid's is 44.5% btw).

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

And you dont think things would be different if they swapped teams? Little bit different playing on a contender that has 2 of the best players in the game vs the Islanders

I don't doubt Bouchard wouldn't have been great with the Islanders against the Hurricanes. But Bouchard's shot, ability to keep the puck in the zone absolutely played a key role in the Oilers success. He had more points than Draisaitl. In a lot of the Oilers close games, I don't think Dobson would have made a difference in the playoffs.

 

[ijuka]

And you dont think things would be different if they swapped teams? Little bit different playing on a contender that has 2 of the best players in the game vs the Islanders

I doubt Dobson would get 10mph extra on his shot by playing with McD or Draisaitl.

 

[stevo61]

I doubt Dobson would get 10mph extra on his shot by playing with McD or Draisaitl.

hence why I said Id pick Bouchard in a hardest shot competition but Dobson here

 

[ijuka]

hence why I said Id pick Bouchard in a hardest shot competition but Dobson here

Well, scoring almost twice as many goals is a significant reason for why Bouchard is better than Dobson.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Yeah, ignoring performance is fun.

Yeah, ignoring performance is fun.

Your arrogance over an opinion about two people you’ll never meet amuses me.

 

[Regal]

I don’t know why people think Dobson’s defense is an advantage. Both guys have their share of gaffs/bad games still and both can look great in other games. I’d say Bouchard’s defensive game got better as the year went along though whereas Dobson’s got worse leading to a poor playoffs. Bouchard’s underlying defensive numbers are also way better, though I do think they’re influenced partly by teammates. I don’t think it’s definitive either way but I’d probably take Bouchard right now for his strong playoff performances.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I don’t know why people think Dobson’s defense is an advantage. Both guys have their share of gaffs/bad games still and both can look great in other games. I’d say Bouchard’s defensive game got better as the year went along though whereas Dobson’s got worse leading to a poor playoffs. Bouchard’s underlying defensive numbers are also way better, though I do think they’re influenced partly by teammates. I don’t think it’s definitive either way but I’d probably take Bouchard right now for his strong playoff performances.

Yeah I think Dobson's defensive game is very overrated.

Dobson in the draft had the advantage of being more NHL ready and better defensively, whereas Bouchard had higher potential especially offensively. Their NHL paths have basically been that so far, but Dobson actually hasn't really been that good defensively.

 

[La Bamba]

I would've said Dobson 6 months ago but Bouchard has elevated to a higher level now

 

[Three On Zero]

Dobson then, Dobson a year ago, Dobson now, Dobson future.

 

[vcanuck]

Bouchard is Carson Soucy on any other team without Mcdavid.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I think Dobson was better this past regular season, but Bouchard's recent playoff run was better than anything I've seen from either of before it. One one hand, that could mean Bouchard has 'leveled up' to surpass Dobson. On the other, he may have just been on a well timed hot streak, and Dobson is still the better player.

I'm I'm on the fence here TBH.

 

[Three On Zero]

Bouchard is Carson Soucy on any other team without Mcdavid.

Doubtful, Soucy is decent defensively

 

[Letsdothis]

Bouchard outplayed Drew Doughty, Quintin Hughes and Miro Heiskanen head to head in the playoffs and it wasn't even close.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Voted Bouchard

Bouchard during the last playoffs > Dobson at his best IMO