Trade: [BOS/SD] Red Sox acquire Kimbrel

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Preller held out on dealing Kimbrel last season and it paid off. Very very good value for San Diego.

 

[BostonBob]

Well sure - because we all just knew that Miller was going to go from a very good middle reliever / set up guy with Boston to a stud closer with the Yankees.

2014 version of Miller was every bit as good as 2015 Miller.

Pretty hard to compare the stats of a middle reliever / set up man to a closer.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Pretty hard to compare the stats of a middle reliever / set up man to a closer.

To a certain extent "Guy pitches good = Guy pitches good"

No one was surprised that Miller pitched well for the Yankees this year. It's because he pitched well the year before as well. Maybe it wasn't exactly expected that he would excel to the degree that he did but it's not like it came out of nowhere.

 

[darko]

Pretty hard to compare the stats of a middle reliever / set up man to a closer.

Shutting the door in the 8th is just as important as the 9th.

 

[darko]

To a certain extent "Guy pitches good = Guy pitches good"

No one was surprised that Miller pitched well for the Yankees this year. It's because he pitched well the year before as well. Maybe it wasn't exactly expected that he would excel to the degree that he did but it's not like it came out of nowhere.

Yeah he was lights out in 2014.

 

[Cassano]

Baffling to give that much for a reliever. Sox should've just waited to pay for O'Day in FA.



And the Braves version of Kimbrel was more dominant.

If this is the selling price for relievers, It'd be interesting to see what Miller and Betances can fetch in a trade.

 

[Terry Yake]

wow. clear win for the padres in this one

giving up that much for a closer, even if it's the best closer in the game is way too much

 

[Eyedea]

Baffling to give that much for a reliever. Sox should've just waited to pay for O'Day in FA.



And the Braves version of Kimbrel was more dominant.

If this is the selling price for relievers, It'd be interesting to see what Miller and Betances can fetch in a trade.

To be fair, BJ Upton was in that deal too.

 

[DougieSmash]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/padres-get-a-haul-for-craig-kimbrel/

It's time for team to overpay for Aroldis. It's gonna be ugly. Watch out for Dbacks, Astros or Jays.

 

[bluesfan94]

Yeah I think you have to understand that there were mitigating factors with the Braves-Padres trade. That said, lol Red Sox

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/padres-get-a-haul-for-craig-kimbrel/

It's time for team to overpay for Aroldis. It's gonna be ugly. Watch out for Dbacks, Astros or Jays.

Don't see the Jays going after Chapman at all.

 

[Avs_19]

Kinda hard to believe but it could have been even worse.

The Sox were in talks with the Reds for Aroldis Chapman in what would have been a similar package to the Kimbrel deal (maybe a tick more) and included Bradley.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/11/15/jackie-bradley-center-trade-talks/Erq23ga95cRm7DRRcTlFpN/story.html

So maybe a better group of prospects and JBJ for a closer who can become a free agent in a year? Damn.

 

[JS19]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/padres-get-a-haul-for-craig-kimbrel/

It's time for team to overpay for Aroldis. It's gonna be ugly. Watch out for Dbacks, Astros or Jays.

Yeah no. Not enough prospect capital that the Reds want in return.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Pretty hard to compare the stats of a middle reliever / set up man to a closer.

sure if all you look at are saves.

Good relievers become good closers all the time, but lets just pretend that suddenly a lot of pressure pitching the 9th might make Miller suck so lets not get him and a year later trade a ******** of prospects for someone who has proven to be able to handle that pressure

A quality 8th inning guy shouldn't have any trouble becoming a quality closer, you're doing the same thing with a little extra pressure.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Yeah no. Not enough prospect capital that the Reds want in return.

correction: have enough prospect capital, but not willing to trade it all for a ****ing closer. We're not the Red Sox, oh only winning 95% of games we led entering the 9th, better upgrade that 9th inning guy. Who needs 2 really good prospects, we need that extra 2 or 3% of wins when leading entering the 9th.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...aig-kimbrel/OoCiiAyVhWkWGIZ3hI8VxK/story.html

Lol

 

[Ozamataz Buckshank]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...aig-kimbrel/OoCiiAyVhWkWGIZ3hI8VxK/story.html

Lol

surprising article coming from the paper owned by the Redsox principal owner John Henry

 

[MurrayBannerman]

correction: have enough prospect capital, but not willing to trade it all for a ****ing closer. We're not the Red Sox, oh only winning 95% of games we led entering the 9th, better upgrade that 9th inning guy. Who needs 2 really good prospects, we need that extra 2 or 3% of wins when leading entering the 9th.

No you don't.

 

[Pwnasaurus]

I shudder to think what Chapman might bring

 

[robert terwilliger]

i can see votto trying to wrap himself in a cuban flag and trying to sneak out with chapman.

"soy del cuerpo del señor chapman, no soy señor obp"

 

[Canada4Gold]

No you don't.

Pompey isn't considered a prospect anymore by definition so I guess you could say we don't

but Pompey was a ~top 30 prospect before he wasn't eligible, Alford is top 100, those 2 would be pretty close to the Kimbrel package, and Chapman doesn't have the same control. MLB.com has Harris as top 100 too(I disagree). Toss in Guerrero, SRF, Tellez, we have enough.

Not that I would ever do it.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Pompey isn't considered a prospect anymore by definition so I guess you could say we don't

but Pompey was a ~top 30 prospect before he wasn't eligible, Alford is top 100, those 2 would be pretty close to the Kimbrel package, and Chapman doesn't have the same control. MLB.com has Harris as top 100 too(I disagree). Toss in Guerrero, SRF, Tellez, we have enough.

Not that I would ever do it.

Margot has more value than Pompey at this point.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Margot has more value than Pompey at this point.

True but i think the point is that Pompey and Alford along with a low minor guy or two is enough to get the ball rolling you would think not that we have anything as good as Margot. I mean I don't think trading Pompey and Alford for Chapman is going to happen anyways I doubt the Jays are even going to be in on him.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Margot has more value than Pompey at this point.

Margot might have more value than Pompey, Guerra more than Alford, if the Jays tossed in guys like Harris, SRF, Tellez, Guerrero that more than makes up for it

plus Kimbrel has 3 years left, Chapman doesn't. I'm sure the Reds are asking for what the Padres got and they might get it, but there is potential for less because of less term.

The point being if the Jays only goal was to get Chapman they have enough prospect capital to do it, I can't imagine the Reds saying no to something like Pompey, Alford, Guerrero, and Tellez.

The Jays would never do that, because they're not stupid but they have the guys to do it if that was their goal.

 

[hockeykicker]

Im just waiting for rizzo to drop the bomb and get him. Unfortunately like i said before its too obvious for the nats