Post-Game Talk: Blues 5 - Jets 1, Series tied at 2

[bustamente]

Losing Ehlers for nothing is gonna sting. A lot. And by the time our young guys are ready this core may have aged out. Unless you can convince a free agent to take a chance on Winnipeg I don't know what you do...

I think you have to get rid of guys like Appleton, for one. And I am starting to think Nino as well.

The one team that can't afford to lose a player of Nik's calibre for free are the Jets, we have no one in the pipeline to replace him and there is not a FA in this league of his value that will come here. Poor decision on Chevy's part if he knew that Nik was not going to re sign here and didn't move him during the season. Even though the Jets were playing well you have to protect the future

 

[bustamente]

Samberg hasn't been the same since he blocked that shot.

 

[Do or Die]

A lot of Jets reaching for, or just waving at pucks, at both ends of the ice. Forwards not seeking contact along sideboards, failure to crash or protect net front, not enough hits thrown, Helly shrinking in his crease, D getting bounced around, JM may be nicked up.

Blues played some big boy hockey, Jets something far less.....

 

[surixon]

People will blame defensive play because our defensive play has been as bad as it gets - even JoMo is struggling.
We can all take sides and blame who we want but there is no disputing our D collapse - the guys are not managing net front / middle and Helle can't see what is coming.
Now if the team is feeling like they are not getting the support from Helle, and their game is suffering because they feel deflated, they really need to take a look in the mirror.
This happened LY - same story almost to the word. We struggled with clearing the lanes and it was a series of floaters coming in from everywhere and Helle is left to deal with the screens and deflections. You can't hang him out to dry that way - regardless of how good he is.
The Blues know it and are executing to that weakness - guys like Demelo, Pionk and JoMo need to figure out how they are going to deal with a very aggressive and physical Blues team that are having their way with the middle ice. I'd suggest they take a look at how the Blues defend - they give you nothing down the middle - they figured it out.
I wish Helle could save us but I don't see it happening if he can't see what's coming.

Sorry but not buying it. Our defense looks worse because Helle's statistically has been about as bad as you can get so every breakdown is in our net. Do you really think teams haven't been getting to the front of the net all year or playing us physically?

What you are asking for is this team to play error free defense because that is what its going to take with Helle's play right now.

 

[jungles]

The one team that can't afford to lose a player of Nik's calibre for free are the Jets, we have no one in the pipeline to replace him and there is not a FA in this league of his value that will come here. Poor decision on Chevy's part if he knew that Nik was not going to re sign here and didn't move him during the season. Even though the Jets were playing well you have to protect the future

Our only chance might be a sign and trade at this point.

 

[jungles]

Sorry but not buying it. Our defense looks worse because Helle's statistically has been about as bad as you can get so every breakdown is in our net. Do you really think teams haven't been getting to the front of the net all year or playing us physically?

What you are asking for is this team to play error free defense because that is what its going to take with Helle's play right now.

Other than that one Edmonton anomaly, every series since and including Vegas in 2018 has been "every mistake is in our net" territory.

 

[bustamente]

Our only chance might be a sign and trade at this point.

That would be the best scenario but I see no reason Nik would do that, his one chance to go where he wants for the most money and term

 

[Buffdog]

Is so weird but I'm not even mad right now. I think i was mentally prepared for the possibility of this happening again.

I'm just disappointed and feeling resigned to our fate.

I wish I had more faith like our good friend @kanadalainen, but something is just not right with this group mentally.

It's like when Buff left, he took the teams backbone with him.

I know this is more appropriate for after our playoffs are over, but I wonder out loud where do we even go with this group?

I love so many of the players on this team, but if they can't get it done, do we try to retool by moving some core players out? If so, who?

I'm with you

I'm sure that a lot of people wanted to throw their remote at the TV or kick their dogs after the game today... I just shrugged and went out to finish getting my boat ready for spring

At this point, my overarching feeling towards this group is, of all things, curiosity

What is it about this team that makes them unstoppable in the regular season but sacks of shit in the playoffs? Is there some sort of group mental fragility? Are they just a bunch of p***yes?

Anyway, life goes on

 

[gojetsgo]

Sorry but not buying it. Our defense looks worse because Helle's statistically has been about as bad as you can get so every breakdown is in our net. Do you really think teams haven't been getting to the front of the net all year or playing us physically?

What you are asking for is this team to play error free defense because that is what its going to take with Helle's play right now.

we pretty much played mistake free for the 1st 30 mins of the game, 1st one was a rather fluky goal, that 2nd goal is where things turned, getting very annoying seeing helle get all the praise in the regular season then zero accountability for these games in the playoffs

 

[The Blue Baron]

I think our chances of winning this series our 55% for and 45% against, which is very close either way.

If we had lost games 3 and 4 by just 1 or goals, and fought hard for the whole game, I’d increase our odds chances.

Right now, pretty much a toss up, with slight favour to the Jets with home ice advantage.

Sounds about right if not straight up 50/50

 

[raideralex99]

I’m going to try something new for the next Jets game.
I’m going to test to see if money makes you happy …. I’m betting everything on the Blues.
I bet if everyone in Winnipeg bets on the Blues too …. the Jets would be on the PP for most of the game.

 

[jungles]

That would be the best scenario but I see no reason Nik would do that, his one chance to go where he wants for the most money and term

Like you said, we have nothing in the chamber after Nic leaves. Best case: say two of Yager, Barlow, Lambert, He, Chibrikov and Walton pan out and end up better than, say, Appleton, Barron or even Namestnikov.

What are the chances even one of them comes close to half of what Ehlers gave us?

 

[The Blue Baron]

I'm with you

I'm sure that a lot of people wanted to throw their remote at the TV or kick their dogs after the game today... I just shrugged and went out to finish getting my boat ready for spring

At this point, my overarching feeling towards this group is, of all things, curiosity

What is it about this team that makes them unstoppable in the regular season but sacks of shit in the playoffs? Is there some sort of group mental fragility? Are they just a bunch of p***yes?

Anyway, life goes on

Well stated I felt the same but felt need to not continue to watch it live as the Jets went down 2-1. I accomplished what I wanted. Used up the remaining stabilized fuel from last fall in the bike and refueled with fresh high octane.

Curiosity is a great word choice.

It is very difficult is zero in on what these guys issues are. It could be just be a poor blend of core characters for playoff hockey.

 

[bustamente]

Like you said, we have nothing in the chamber after Nic leaves. Best case: say two of Yager, Barlow, Lambert, He, Chibrikov and Walton pan out and end up better than, say, Appleton, Barron or even Namestnikov.

What are the chances even one of them comes close to half of what Ehlers gave us?

I think Chevy spends a lot of time praying that all those pan out but it's going to take time. I think Yager has the look of a points machine.

 

[surixon]

I'm with you

I'm sure that a lot of people wanted to throw their remote at the TV or kick their dogs after the game today... I just shrugged and went out to finish getting my boat ready for spring

At this point, my overarching feeling towards this group is, of all things, curiosity

What is it about this team that makes them unstoppable in the regular season but sacks of shit in the playoffs? Is there some sort of group mental fragility? Are they just a bunch of p***yes?

Anyway, life goes on

They are clearly mentally fragile. We've chocked three straight series away loosing 4 in a row to lose out. It's clearly in their head and they can't seem to pull out of it and rebound with a win after a loss.

 

[Moloch]

I was told this team was different because we didn't quit. And I saw it plenty of time this season. So why now, when it actually matters, are they quitting? I don't get it.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

My most optimistic, rose coloured glasses and heavy dose of copium take: maybe a little adversity right now isn’t the worst thing? Also, unlike the Avs series last season where we needed a historically bad goaltending performance to win our one and only game, Jets have shown they can beat the Blues (twice!) in a tight checking contest.

Of course, a large part of me is thinking what all Jets fans are thinking: here we go a-f***ing-gain…

 

[Wedgeden]

Another one who needs to be chewed out is JoMo, where the hell has been this series? Another Jets star just going MIA when it matters most.

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Where does one find these charts? When I go to Naturalstattrick, I can't find it.

 

[PaulPooley]

If they could just get some puck luck with some of these shots they’re taking with the kind of deflections and tips the Blues are getting so fair.. Scoring a few early goals at home in game 5 could really help this group confidence wise and take some pressure off Helly. They still have the opportunity to be change the narrative that is getting incredibly annoying.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

The Blues came into the post season ready for playoff hockey. Their strategy to grind the Jets down to sand has been executed well since the first period of game 1. If you count up periods, the Blues have been better for probably 7 of the 12 in this series. ~2 periods pretty even. The Jets have been better in maybe 3. We are kind of fortunate to be tied at 2 games.

Game 5 will show us if the talk was real. Win or lose, the Jets better show up from the puck drop, put on their work boots, show some damn grit and play post season hockey. Figuratively be punching the Blues in the face every shift. Crowd the crease, be first in the corners, get to the net, take a beating and give a beating. If they show up and do that, at least we will see the heart that this group claims to have this year and we can win this. No guarantee against a strong Blues team, but at least the games will be close that way. Anything less and this series is over.

 

[gojetsgo]

The Blues came into the post season ready for playoff hockey. Their strategy to grind the Jets down to sand has been executed well since the first period of game 1. If you count up periods, the Blues have been better for probably 7 of the 12 in this series. ~2 periods pretty even. The Jets have been better in maybe 3. We are kind of fortunate to be tied at 2 games.

Game 5 will show us if the talk was real. Win or lose, the Jets better show up from the puck drop, put on their work boots, show some damn grit and play post season hockey. Figuratively be punching the Blues in the face every shift. Crowd the crease, be first in the corners, get to the net, take a beating and give a beating. If they show up and do that, at least we will see the heart that this group claims to have this year and we can win this. No guarantee against a strong Blues team, but at least the games will be close that way. Anything less and this series is over.

we were the better team in the 1st 2 games, we allowed 7 combined 3rd period shots in the 1st 2 games, we 100% deserved those 2 wins...

 

[Buffdog]

My ray of positivity:

Helle has been unsustainably low so far in terms of save percentage

Binnington has been unsustainably high

Get Lardo back next game and watch some double regression happen?

 

[Jack7222]

The last people in the world you can blame that goal on are the forwards

I've talked a lot about Stanley making iffy reads when he steps up without forward support. This could be the worst example I've seen from a Jets D man all season. No support, 4-2 turns unto a 4-1. Then Snerg blows a wheel... leaving no defensemen to, you know, defend. Connor is supposed to defend 4 guys by himself?

Murat displaying his beer league level of hockey understanding again

Yeah the whole dangerous situation was mostly on Schenn, just a poor decision here, then unfortunate from Samberg and honestly very weak from Helle basically getting overpowered on his poke check.

TBH I haven't liked Schenn at all and miss having Miller out there.

 

[gojetsgo]

I feel like vilardi is 100% back next game so they should go
connor scheifele vilardi
perfetti lowry iaffao
names barron nino
tanev gus jad/appleton

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Glad deadline acquisition Luke Schenn is turning things around with his physical play...

Seriously though, Stanley-Miller was fine all season. Maybe sit Schenn for a few dozen games and see if it helps.

I'm not a big Stanley fan but I'd be OK with Stan and Miller as our third pairing. Schenn with Stanley was not good and Schennwith Fleury was not good so what is ther to lose with Stan and Miller.