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Reports have been linking Benintendi to the Jays all season but I don't really see the fit. Pretty sure Passan also mentioned to look out for him too on a Toronto radio hit a while back. Not really sure Barlow would make sense either because the asking price will be too high considering he's a closer.

I'd rather see Shatkins fleece Oakland for Frankie Montas and Zach Jackson. Apparently the asking price for Montas is only a top 5 prospect and 2 top 20 prospects. Probably wouldn't have to add much more to convince them to give us Jackson too.
 
Reports have been linking Benintendi to the Jays all season but I don't really see the fit. Pretty sure Passan also mentioned to look out for him too on a Toronto radio hit a while back. Not really sure Barlow would make sense either because the asking price will be too high considering he's a closer.

I'd rather see Shatkins fleece Oakland for Frankie Montas and Zach Jackson. Apparently the asking price for Montas is only a top 5 prospect and 2 top 20 prospects. Probably wouldn't have to add much more to convince them to give us Jackson too.

Yeah, I'm still not really sold on Benintendi either. He would make the lineup better when one of the OF needs a day off, obviously, but who's the backup CF? Teoscar? I don't know... Benintendi just seems like a guy whose value on the Jays wouldn't match up with what he'll cost to acquire, if that makes sense.

I'd prefer to see them use more assets to improve the pitching or at least go for an OF who can play CF.
 


Funny how some mocks have Rocker going in the late teens and others dont have him going in the first at all.

Kinda looks like one of those drafts with no elite end talent but a substantial amount of depth. Even guys who might still be there at the Jays' 2nd rd/Comp picks have some loud tools like Ryan Cermak, Clark Elliott, Dominic Keegan or Jacob Misiorowski. Then there's always Ben Joyce who's at least a mid round pick because he hit 105.
 
I heard that theory that he's tipping his pitches based on the fact that we want him to throw the fastball more and he wants to throw the slider more. So when he shakes the batter probably sits slider. If there's any salt to that theory I'd literally tell him go out for 1 start and don't shake anything. Just throw whatever the catcher calls. See how it goes. Obviously he's got to buy in, but he's bordering on not even being in the rotation anymore so if it's that or go to the pen for a while he should be trying something new
That would be the approach they should take. Play a game where you don’t think and just pitch. See how it goes

I was thinking that to that maybe he’ll end up the new stripling and be the long man if they bring in someone. He’s an expensive long man though
 
Reports have been linking Benintendi to the Jays all season but I don't really see the fit. Pretty sure Passan also mentioned to look out for him too on a Toronto radio hit a while back. Not really sure Barlow would make sense either because the asking price will be too high considering he's a closer.

I'd rather see Shatkins fleece Oakland for Frankie Montas and Zach Jackson. Apparently the asking price for Montas is only a top 5 prospect and 2 top 20 prospects. Probably wouldn't have to add much more to convince them to give us Jackson too.
I feel like if that’s all it took he’d already be here. I’m looking at their team I had a peak at Kevin smith. His bat just isn’t translating to the majors. Started well but hitting .189 or somewhere in that range on the season.

Jackson’s number are trending in a no more control manner. In his last 15 games he’s over a walk an inning. Not giving up many hits but walking a batter an inning is insane. In his last 7 games he’s pitched 5.2 innings. He’s only given up 2 hits but earned runs and 7 walks on 8 k’s. Such an odd line. He’s trending badly but maybe it’s a Walker special
 
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In the evenings, Manfred tends to watch more than one game at a time at his Upper East Side apartment. "I will confess, I watch a lot of New York baseball, both the Yankees and Mets."

"And when you watch baseball as a fan, what's your biggest aggravation?"

"I think the same sort of sentiments that we hear from our fans in terms of pace of the game," he says. "I think the pace issue, the action issue, is more acute in a broadcast than it is at the ballpark."


Several new rules have already been implemented to accelerate the pace, and none have really worked. One is a relief pitcher -- unless he is injured -- must face three batters or complete an inning before being replaced to cut down on pitchers' changes. Another is the "ghost runner" placed on second base in extra innings, a rule that exists to end a game faster. Through Sunday, the average nine-inning game this season was 3 hours, 5 minutes, only 5 minutes shorter than last season's all-time record high. MLB internal research finds that not only do most fans believe the games go on too long, they're frustrated that there's often too little action, a lethal combination. This year's league-wide batting average stands at a paltry .242, the lowest since 1968. Home runs and run-scoring are down, while strikeouts are near the all-time high.

Even the game's more conservative owners complain that games stretching three to four hours must end. "The game has changed and it has changed for the worse," says DeWitt Jr., the 80-year-old Cardinals owner. "To be honest, players get out of the box and fool around for no reason. Come on, get in the box! And the pitcher is walking around the mound. I don't know what they're doing. ... The game needs fixing. It's just slow."

Manfred agrees with that assessment. He tells me, in terms far more certain than he has laid out publicly before, that he fully supports revamping the game with pitch clocks, the elimination of the shift and, in 2024, some form of robo-umpires. Now he must sell those changes to players and fans, some of whom believe he doesn't have baseball's best interests at heart. A big challenge, for sure, but one Manfred doesn't believe is insurmountable. "I think that people pay a lot of attention, can be hypercritical if not downright mean," he says. "That's actually a good thing for the game's future."

.......................

No matter how they see the CBA's fine print, owners seem thrilled with Manfred's job performance. And why wouldn't they be? Despite its array of problems, league sources say baseball has grown into a $10 billion-plus-a-year sport, up from $8 billion when Manfred became commissioner. Owners also loved Manfred's reorganization of the minor leagues in 2020, and in the past decade, franchise valuations have more than quadrupled. Not surprisingly, billionaires want in, and expansion is coming. "I would love to get to 32 teams," Manfred tells me.

And the owners have rewarded Manfred with a $17.5 million annual contract -- plus performance bonuses, the pay package has exceeded $25 million -- that expires after the 2024 season.


"Rob is a relentless guy focused on success," says McGuirk, the Braves chairman. "There are very few down days looking at the business of baseball with Rob at the helm. If we had to sign up for him again, we'd do it in spades 10 times over."
 
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Jays were interested in the Pirates reliever pitcher Richard Rodriguez last year. He lost a lot of value after Spidertack was outlawed and was traded to the Braves for pennies on the dollar.

Was very mediocre for them but was non tendered in the off-season. Then suspended 80 games for PED use. We just approached game 70.

I wonder if he is still in shape and if the Jays have interest in bringing him in. Has to be better than Romo.
 
Rarely do you see a guy who throws the same speed as his age.

Romo is a great guy off the field but man, as much as i like him his 2021 was uhhhhh....not good

14.1 IP, 8.11 ERA, 1.535 WHIP. Highlight of his season was when he pulled his pants down for a umpire check for sticky stuff.

i suppose there's no harm in it and even Romo acknowledged there wasn't a ton of interest in a 39 year old who throws 85 mph :laugh:
 
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Jays were interested in the Pirates reliever pitcher Richard Rodriguez last year. He lost a lot of value after Spidertack was outlawed and was traded to the Braves for pennies on the dollar.

Was very mediocre for them but was non tendered in the off-season. Then suspended 80 games for PED use. We just approached game 70.

I wonder if he is still in shape and if the Jays have interest in bringing him in. Has to be better than Romo.

For some reason I thought the suspension didn't officially start until he signed somewhere, so he would have to sign and then serve the 80 games.
 
Ugh. Kikuchi's contract looks bad, but Corbin's is so, so much worse. Do Gray and Bell make up for it? I don't know if they do.

Gray's been very good this month! Still fairly new to pitching as he was a SS/P freshman year, closer sophomore year, and finally became a starter in 2018. FB has good velocity (though it gets hit around right now) but slider and curve are already above average pitches. Peripherals not incredible this season due to the inflated HR/9, but his EV is the lowest of the month and for the season he's in good company around Gausman, Taillon, Cortes, Severino, and Cole. Corbin's been terrible this year and last but maybe there's some been some bad luck for him? Not a case like Berrios/Kikuchi where they get hit hard day in and day out. Also has been playing better this month and the FB is creeping up to 93-94 (was down to 90-91 at the beginning of the year). Bell's a rental but obviously a good one at that.

I thought this would be an interesting one because the Jays obviously just signed Kikuchi and Gray was one of two headliners in the Scherzer/Turner trade. Don't think the Nats would do this too as they're probably more content with eating Corbin's salary and maximizing value for Bell but value wise I think I would do it. Gray could be worth as much as 20m surplus value as soon as next season, plus he's not arb eligible until 2025.
 
2022 MLB Mock Draft: Druw Jones, Elijah Green go early; Blue Jays get Kumar Rocker; Rays take Crawford's son

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[TD]23 Jays Pick: RHP Kumar Rocker, Tri-City ValleyCats ($3,075,300 slot value)

The fun new rumor, which was first mentioned by The Athletic, is several clubs are looking at Rocker as a candidate to pitch in their MLB bullpen this year. The White Sox did that with Garrett Crochet in 2020 (and Chris Sale in 2010) and could be a possibility. The Padres, Phillies, Red Sox, and maybe the Angels would make sense too. The stars align for the Blue Jays as well. They aren't afraid to take risks on draft day (they used the No. 19 pick on Gunnar Hoglund last year, when he was early in his Tommy John surgery rehab), their bullpen needs help, and their World Series window is wide open. (CBS Sports top 30 rank: No. 25) [/TD]
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23. Toronto Blue Jays: Peyton Graham, SS, Oklahoma

It sounds like the Jays are more likely to go college position player here, which makes sense given the best players available in this range.


Scouting report: A midseason swing adjustment that has him staying back more with less extra movement turned Graham from a guy who might have gone back for his senior year to a potential day one pick. Graham was hitting .282/.351/.541 through the end of March, with a 27 percent strikeout rate; since then, he’s hit .370/.454/.721 (through June 10) with a 17 percent strikeout rate, even though most of that latter period was in the Big 12. He’s a plus runner who has played a ton of third and shortstop plus a little outfield on the Cape, with enough of a chance to stay at short that he’ll almost certainly start his pro career there. Even with the changes to his approach, he still has some swing and miss concerns, especially on sliders, and probably isn’t a quick-through-the-minors guy. His upside as an above-average regular at short or third could be enough to get him into the late first round.
 
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2022 MLB Mock Draft: Druw Jones, Elijah Green go early; Blue Jays get Kumar Rocker; Rays take Crawford's son

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The fun new rumor, which was first mentioned by The Athletic, is several clubs are looking at Rocker as a candidate to pitch in their MLB bullpen this year. The White Sox did that with Garrett Crochet in 2020 (and Chris Sale in 2010) and could be a possibility. The Padres, Phillies, Red Sox, and maybe the Angels would make sense too. The stars align for the Blue Jays as well. They aren't afraid to take risks on draft day (they used the No. 19 pick on Gunnar Hoglund last year, when he was early in his Tommy John surgery rehab), their bullpen needs help, and their World Series window is wide open. (CBS Sports top 30 rank: No. 25) [/TD]
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Wouldn’t mind using 2 of our top 4 picks on Rocker and Ben Joyce. Have some arms that can potentially play in the pen later this season. Then go for so high potential position players with the other 2.

23. Blue Jays: Chase DeLauter, OF, James Madison University (No. 18)
The Blue Jays might like for Williams to get here, but in this week’s mock, the Cards beat them to it. DeLauter has done nothing but hit wherever he’s been, typically after a slow start.
Lot of smoke around the Jays and DeLauter.
 
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