Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays fire manager Montoyo, Schneider takes over
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thehockeysong
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I think the panic is a bit overblown - afterall, being fourth in the entire AL is a good spot to be after a stretch of the team struggling. There is essentially zero chance the team fails to make the playoffs, and this year that doesn't mean one game, they're nearly guaranteed to make the playoffs and have a meaningful series. Then the randomness of baseball playoffs kicks in......
Canada4Gold
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Hopefully 1 of Minnesota or Cleveland fall off. Honestly the 3rd WC is probably the best one. You face the Central winner instead of Boston or TB. The losses are concerning while there's a clear top 7 because you could fall out entirely. If it loosens up a little bit they're easier to take because it might even be better. If Berrios can figure it out then when the playoffs start the starting pitching issue almost doesn't exist. Manoah, Gausman, Berrios, Stripling is quite good if Berrios is even average. Get a pen arm or 2. We'd still be underdogs against the Yankees or Astros probably, but we're in with a shot.
kb
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Jays have some big arms in the lower levels. Tiedemann, Zulueta (recently to AA), Frasso.
The latter 2 could move quickly.
phillipmike
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If he continues to progress, I bet Zulueta is used as the swing and miss reliever the Jays hoped they were getting with Merryweather and Pearson. We should see him later this season.
While I'm not convinced the catcher situation will be resolved until the offseason, it's interesting to see a few teams who are trying to win and have black holes behind the plate this season. The market for Moreno should be literally everyone, from current contenders who need help to garbage teams who are building for the future. But for Jansen, you would be looking at teams trying to win over the next couple years.
I know the Tigers are awful, but given their moves the last couple years, they're obviously at least trying to win now. Jansen for a couple big arms would be really interesting for both sides.
Houston would be an interesting target as well since they have literally the worst catching in the game so far, but they're actually good instead of just trying to be good, so I don't know how open they would be to moving the kind of arms that would make it worthwhile for the Jays.
I know the Tigers are awful, but given their moves the last couple years, they're obviously at least trying to win now. Jansen for a couple big arms would be really interesting for both sides.
Houston would be an interesting target as well since they have literally the worst catching in the game so far, but they're actually good instead of just trying to be good, so I don't know how open they would be to moving the kind of arms that would make it worthwhile for the Jays.
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Without even having a hot streak like Travis for a while. We haven't even got to really see much of a glimpse of what his peak could be.
But I'm going down with the ship and holding hope he will make it, ha.
phillipmike
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Angels come to you at the deadline and say they are willing to trade the remaining 1.5 years of Ohtani to you for Moreno, do you do it?
Addresses 2 of your biggest needs. Lefty bat (one of the best in the game) and starting pitching (one of the best in the game).
Addresses 2 of your biggest needs. Lefty bat (one of the best in the game) and starting pitching (one of the best in the game).
I'll drive Moreno to the airport. It's never and I mean never going to happen.
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Be that as it may, people are going to be calling and asking about Moreno and Kirk. NOT Jansen.
In a recent BoB McCown broadcast, an interesting question was brought up about Kikuchi: if he's really struggling with so many mental issues, why doesn't one of the catchers bonk him on the head and say "stop thinking and just throw what I tell you to throw, which is your damn fastball". The answer: none of the Jays current catchers are experienced veterans, and the only one that comes close has spent a ton of time on the injured list. None of them have the presence of mind handle Kikuchi.
Sure, that's a real possibility, but if that's the problem, why isn't there a veteran catcher on the roster? Even better, why isn't there a CATCHING coach on the roster? Maybe someone should pull Russel Martin off the golf course and bring him in.
In a recent BoB McCown broadcast, an interesting question was brought up about Kikuchi: if he's really struggling with so many mental issues, why doesn't one of the catchers bonk him on the head and say "stop thinking and just throw what I tell you to throw, which is your damn fastball". The answer: none of the Jays current catchers are experienced veterans, and the only one that comes close has spent a ton of time on the injured list. None of them have the presence of mind handle Kikuchi.
Sure, that's a real possibility, but if that's the problem, why isn't there a veteran catcher on the roster? Even better, why isn't there a CATCHING coach on the roster? Maybe someone should pull Russel Martin off the golf course and bring him in.
Eyedea
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Probably because his fastball is getting absolutely annihilated too. Batters have a .373 wOBA vs his FB and that's still 90 points below his xstats. I've noticed his slider doesn't have the same vertical depth as it did the last couple of years, opting for a harder pitch that is clearly not fooling batters. If he ever had good offerings, they were probably his cutter and splitter. The cutter has been removed from his repertoire after a bad 2nd half last season and his splitter, well I have no idea why he doesn't use that more often. His 4 seam and slider are getting pummeled by righties. Like 95.4 EV pummeled. Like every batter he faces is Vladdy pummeled. Those pitches are effective against lefties, but he should probably try to bring the cutter back against righties and utilize the splitter more often.
Yusei's best pitch is his split finger/changeup by a lot. After that is his cutter followed by his slider.
The Blue Jays were trying to get him to abandon his slider completely and throw more cutters. Unfortunately, Kikuchi is actually throwing his crap slider more than ever and because he throws it on the same plane as his fastball, it is making his fastball equally trash.
In a perfect world, he throws fastball, cutter, change/split as his only three. They all do different things, they are all different speeds and they don't look enough alike that sitting one automatically makes you able to hit another.
The Blue Jays were trying to get him to abandon his slider completely and throw more cutters. Unfortunately, Kikuchi is actually throwing his crap slider more than ever and because he throws it on the same plane as his fastball, it is making his fastball equally trash.
In a perfect world, he throws fastball, cutter, change/split as his only three. They all do different things, they are all different speeds and they don't look enough alike that sitting one automatically makes you able to hit another.
Given how it looked at the time, only 3-4 weeks is amazing news and leaves him in the picture as a ‘deadline acquisition’ for the bullpen for the last 2 months of the season.
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If he isn’t listening to coaches or catchers as they call he’s his own worst enemy. They need to find a way to get him to buy in.
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phillipmike
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2022 MLB Mock Draft 2.0: There's a new name in the mix for the No. 1 overall pick
We're less than three weeks from draft day. Here's who your team is zeroing in on.
Funny how some mocks have Rocker going in the late teens and others dont have him going in the first at all.
"Hey, what's going on with Pearson?"
*Holds up a tape player; hits rewind, presses play* "Pearson is injured and will be reevaluated soon" *presses stop, hits rewind*
*Holds up a tape player; hits rewind, presses play* "Pearson is injured and will be reevaluated soon" *presses stop, hits rewind*
Canada4Gold
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I heard that theory that he's tipping his pitches based on the fact that we want him to throw the fastball more and he wants to throw the slider more. So when he shakes the batter probably sits slider. If there's any salt to that theory I'd literally tell him go out for 1 start and don't shake anything. Just throw whatever the catcher calls. See how it goes. Obviously he's got to buy in, but he's bordering on not even being in the rotation anymore so if it's that or go to the pen for a while he should be trying something new
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