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im expecting out of the whole fracas between la and seattle our hitting coach ends up with the longest suspension this week
Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays fire manager Montoyo, Schneider takes over
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SDig14
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I don't hate the idea of spending at the deadline for bullpen help instead of handing out massive deals since there's so much hit and miss and at the deadline you should know which guys are performing well.
That being said, they're a bottom 10 bullpen in the league and they're getting what they've paid for so far. This isn't a couple depth moves, I.e. cimber and Richards again, from being a bullpen that can win a world series. They need to aim a lot higher at guys like Soto, Bodnar or equivalent if available.
That being said, they're a bottom 10 bullpen in the league and they're getting what they've paid for so far. This isn't a couple depth moves, I.e. cimber and Richards again, from being a bullpen that can win a world series. They need to aim a lot higher at guys like Soto, Bodnar or equivalent if available.
The formula for an elite bullpen has been pretty obvious since we were facing KC and Cleveland in 2015 and 2016. And the Yankees for the past many years.
You need 3-4 guys with velocity and/or a hard nasty wipeout breaking pitch. But we just continue to diddle around with low-90s junk-tossing nobodies and it never really works out. Romano is the only guy down there who consistently throws 95+ which is unheard-of for an MLB bullpen in this day and age.
phillipmike
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Romo is garbage. It reads like comedy to be picking this guy up, for a team in this position with aspirations of contending.
I know Hernandez doesn't have huge fastball velocity but he does at least have a wipeout pitch that guys in AAA can't hit and there is no possible way he could be worse than Romo.
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If the Jays couldnt get a good bat at the deadline, i thought Santana would have been a good get. Switch hitter, knows the FO, high walk rate and an expiring deal that wouldnt cost much. Well that option is gone.
What all of you are forgetting is that Romo looks and moves like a crazy person that just emerged from self-isolation in the California forests after indulging in some designer drug he created 10 years ago.
trellaine201
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Wow at first I thought decent signing then the stats. I didn’t realize he was this horrible with Seattle. Should fit right in.
He did pitch in Alcatraz country for awhile.
The Nemesis
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Romo's a junk pickup but at the same time it's not like the market of FA or waiver fodder is flush with guys looking to turn the corner.
It's likely, at best, a stall tactic while they work towards other opportunities. It'd take a miracle for it to fix anything but with the way things are going the worst it probably does is expedite the search if he completely flops.
Well, either that or he becomes bullpen Tapia and Charlie gets attached.
It's likely, at best, a stall tactic while they work towards other opportunities. It'd take a miracle for it to fix anything but with the way things are going the worst it probably does is expedite the search if he completely flops.
Well, either that or he becomes bullpen Tapia and Charlie gets attached.
phillipmike
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During the Friday ATLs podcast, BNS said the Jays should be on the phone with Seattle trying to trade for Romo or Elias (both players were DFA’d).
So they got him for free. See if BNS was right.
Regarding the pen, clearly this FO has to live with the decisions they made but going into the season, they had good arms - I have a hard time seeing who would have been the odd man out if they brought in 2-3 swing and miss guys like some are proposing.
Based on 2021 performance, Romano, Cimber, Mayza and Richards were guaranteed pen spots. Garcia being a major league signing was a guarantee. Stripling as the swing man was a guarantee. That’s 6 spots there. Phelps played into a spot and he is right behind Romano for your 2nd best reliever (0.6 WAR vs 0.5) - so I doubt anyone wants to chase him out now. That’s 7. And your last spot went to optional guys until your 2nd lefty, Borucki was ready.
Outside of the last spot, and based on 2021 performance, there wasn’t much room to bring in pen arms let alone who was available and were they vaccinated and did they want to come to Toronto?
Not making excuses because the FO has to wear this but with the healthy pen at the start of the season, there wasn’t much room to add or even a huge need to add.
So they got him for free. See if BNS was right.
Regarding the pen, clearly this FO has to live with the decisions they made but going into the season, they had good arms - I have a hard time seeing who would have been the odd man out if they brought in 2-3 swing and miss guys like some are proposing.
Based on 2021 performance, Romano, Cimber, Mayza and Richards were guaranteed pen spots. Garcia being a major league signing was a guarantee. Stripling as the swing man was a guarantee. That’s 6 spots there. Phelps played into a spot and he is right behind Romano for your 2nd best reliever (0.6 WAR vs 0.5) - so I doubt anyone wants to chase him out now. That’s 7. And your last spot went to optional guys until your 2nd lefty, Borucki was ready.
Outside of the last spot, and based on 2021 performance, there wasn’t much room to bring in pen arms let alone who was available and were they vaccinated and did they want to come to Toronto?
Not making excuses because the FO has to wear this but with the healthy pen at the start of the season, there wasn’t much room to add or even a huge need to add.
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dredeye
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So I had a thought today about Jansen and I wanted to get your thoughts on this. As we talk about trading from our depth of pitching this occurred to me. Our pitching really tanked when he got hurt. Could the downturn in jays pitching at least mildly be related to him not catching them? I think all things considered this may be being overlooked on our end. His obvious issue is an inability to stay healthy but I think the pitching is really missing him. I haven’t backed this up with stats or anything. Just a general question
TheBeastCoast
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All the other fanbases cried last week when it came out that Bo was leading SS vote getter by 60K votes. He is now up by over 250K. Honestly just funny at this point.
It's certainly a legitimate question.
Kikuchi has been caught by 5 different catchers in his last 10 starts while the team is trying to make massive changes both to his pitching motion and to his pitch selection.
I've been as hard on him as anyone, but that can't be easy. And yes, he seemed to be throwing much better in May with Jansen (and Heinemann) catching.
This rattled around in my brain for awhile too but with Kirk's defence and pitch framing improving immensely, the only explanation it seems would be that Jansen is a much better game caller. Which I do believe is the case but I think it's on the coaching staff to help Kirk improve in that matter.
In my opinion, you simply can't trade Kirk. He's too good on both sides of the ball and might be primed for a multi-year run as the best catcher in the league. What this ultimately boils down to for me is that if the Jays like Jansen's ability to improve the pitching staff that much (which is completely understandable!), then we start talking about what kind of pitching you can get for Gabriel Moreno.
It was a joke. Mayza is just one of those guys who always seems to pitch badly when I watch him, even last year.
We all got the "relievers are voodoo" thing from Buck or Pat.
Yeah, there are so many different options for what to do with the catchers, but I agree that trading Kirk is not one of them. Keep Kirk, figure out what to do with Jansen and Moreno. If one of them could play another position, I would be thrilled with keeping all of them, but that doesn't seem to be the case since last year's Moreno-at-3B thing seems to have been a one-off.
I don't think we'll see the situation resolved until the offseason, though, and I'm ok with that.
Eyedea
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Padres getting healthy and they have 7 SPs (8 if you include Crismatt) on their roster so something's gotta give. They need OF help, we don't have a lot of that on our own but Biggio could be an option on the trade front. I'd assume Clevinger being a rental is the most likely to be moved, while the Jays would probably look at another add like Wilson/Morejon/Lamet due to Biggio's control.
Looking at some minor league stats and Groshans has struggled in June.
No power and his K rate is up a decent amount. Only a 49 wRC+. I am still somewhat shocked his power numbers are so low.
No power and his K rate is up a decent amount. Only a 49 wRC+. I am still somewhat shocked his power numbers are so low.
Eyedea
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Mentioned this in the GDT but the Red Sox have a pretty harrowing schedule to close out the 1st half. After this series they'll be able to clown the Cubs, but after that they have 14 games of Rays-Yanks-Rays-Yanks before the all-star game.
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