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weems said:
Nick Frasso is dominating single A

Today 4innings pitched, 2 hits, 0 earned runs, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts

Fastest pitch was 98.7 mph
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I know he's coming back from TJ, but why has he not been promoted yet?

In seven total starts, he has only given up runs in one of those 7 starts, and that was 2 earned runs over 4 innings.

25.2 innings with only 2 ER along with 42 K's and 8 BB's.
 
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BigBlu said:
I would buy one tomorrow. We've dined out on their military protection for 75 years. Great friends.

Expos/Jays literally admitted into a league comprised only of American teams. You don't like the US? Maybe we should sell the team. And promise never to watch the NFL again.
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Then go buy one. What a ridiculous statement. Why are you talking about the NFL? Why are you talking about their military? They "let us into" the league seeing as Toronto in particular is one of the biggest markets in North america and larger than all but maybe seven american franchises and that's being generous.

trellaine201 said:
Christian Yelich $26M for another 5 years. Yikes.
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They're possibly saying that about Berrios. This guy needs to figure it out or we have a huge boat anchor to deal with. Aside from Manoah every starter is an issue at this point. This team is in real trouble
 
To be fair, Yelich looked like the best player in baseball up until that devastating knee injury towards the end of what likely would have been back to back MVP seasons in 2019.

If that never happens there's a good chance he's already justified that contract and then some given the Brewers looked like legitimate world series contenders at that point.

With Berrios, at least as far as we know at the moment, his ability just straight up vanished with no explanation as to why.
 
Jays pitching lol holy shit

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It didn't stop there either. There was a second tussle and then somebody on the angels side tried to start a third by throwing a cooler onto the field lol.

Two trash cans battling for uh..third place gets intense I guess.
 
dredeye said:
Then go buy one. What a ridiculous statement. Why are you talking about the NFL? Why are you talking about their military? They "let us into" the league seeing as Toronto in particular is one of the biggest markets in North america and larger than all but maybe seven american franchises and that's being generous.
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It's all about business models I guess?? I thought the "stars" had to be removed based on prinicple.

Boycott the stars... that's easy. Boycott baseball, the NFL, Neflix, hotdogs, the F150, NORAD,,, or anything else you've personally come to enjoy that emanates from US of A would mean more than all the virtue signalling in the world over how many stars are acceptable on a BJ hat. (ZERO!!!)

And I talked about their military because it protects you while you sleep. Let's get real.
 
BigBlu said:
It's all about business models I guess?? I thought the "stars" had to be removed based on prinicple.

Boycott the stars... that's easy. Boycott the MLB, the NFL, Neflix, hotdogs, NORAD,,, or anything else you've personally come to enjoy that emanates from US of A would mean more than all the virtue signalling in the world over how many stars are acceptable on a BJ hat.

And I talked about their military because it protects you while you sleep. Let's get real.
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Pound sand, my guy. Canadian teams shouldn't have to wear anything that promotes that shithole of a country. This is a Canadian team with a fanbase that is surprisingly, majority Canadian. We don't give a shit about the US.

Even moreso when the most they do for Canada Day is wear red.
 
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It's funny how former players come back to haunt the Jays. Well, good for Tellez.

And why does Mayza keep getting rocked whenever I watch him pitch? When people tell me he's a good pitcher, I always think "Really? No way".

I think they should give Espinal a few days off. He's either banged up or needs to clear his head. His swings are starting to look wild.

The Nemesis said:
Gurriel ended up out there because he didn't have a position he was good at.

So I'd rather use Jansen to shore up some holes and then run with Kirk/Moreno at C.
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Gurriel had poor footing on ground balls and his handwork was atrocious on any play involving transferring the ball, doubly so on any play where he had to throw on the run, but when he planted his foot he threw hard and accurately. It was pretty obvious he was destined for the outfield, but they were committed to the whole super utility thing at the time and were trying to force an infield position on him. It wasn't just about finding a position for him. They really wanted that super utility guy.

And I've always said they should trade a catcher for pitching (Kirk because slow, but clearly he's been taking running lessons), but Gurriel is moving into the final years of his contract and he's still radically inconsistent while Moreno, Jansen, and Kirk all look great right now. The DH spot is also a bit of a logjam. If Moreno was slow as molasses I wouldn't even entertain the possibility, but apparently his speed is actually very good and I doubt you can get that much for Jansen. Maybe some underperforming pitcher with good underlying stats, certainly a good prospect, but that's not what the Jays need right now. They need an impact pitcher now. And I think people are really underestimating Gurriel's trade value.

Basically, when you've got young, controllable guys producing, I'd rather stick with them then take a risk. Jansen still has a few years left, plus I'm curious to see if he can keep up his home run pace. Then again, Jansen AND Gurriel together could probably net a big fish, but I'm not sure Biggio in left for the long term is the best idea...erm, better than Tapia though, heh.
 
BigBlu said:
It's all about business models I guess?? I thought the "stars" had to be removed based on prinicple.

Boycott the stars... that's easy. Boycott the MLB, the NFL, Neflix, hotdogs, NORAD,,, or anything else you've personally come to enjoy that emanates from US of A would mean more than all the virtue signalling in the world over how many stars are acceptable on a BJ hat.

And I talked about their military because it protects you while you sleep. Let's get real.
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Lol does it now? The US is not responsible for my freedom the brave men who died in previous wars are. They are a wonderful ally as are our other allies. Being part of the commonwealth, being part of Nato. You know all those other things. The hat makes no sense for a Canadian team and your ridiculous statement won't change anyone's thoughts on that.
 
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TGB said:
It's funny how former players come back to haunt the Jays. Well, good for Tellez.

And why does Mayza keep getting rocked whenever I watch him pitch? When people tell me he's a good pitcher, I always think "Really? No way".
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That's because Mazya actually was good. Finished last year with a WHIP of .98 and started off this season hot before being sent to the DL. Ever since he came back though, he straight up hasn't been good. his WHIP has spiked pretty significantly recently. In a bullpen full of disappointment over the last couple years, Mayza was legit their second best arm behind Romano.

Like nemesis said in one of the threads, relievers are straight voodoo. They could be the nastiest pitchers in the world for a couple weeks at a time and then then just stink for the rest of the season. Sometimes you go dumpster diving for guys who didn't have it and they end up figuring it out on their next stop (pretty much everyone in the yankees pen sans Chapman) or in Tyler Saucedo's case, you just never have it to begin with.
 



That's all on Trout too. I get being mad at having a ball whiz pass your head, but it wasn't even close to being intentional.

You're an 11 year veteran, man. Shake it off instead of bitching to the media and implying you didn't know if that was the intent or not. Meanwhile, Bryce Harper gets his thumb broken on a HBP, and moments after it happened as he left the field he actually accepted the guy's apology even though he had every right in the world to be pissed off.

The Angels are just a loser organization. Especially with what they pulled today,
 
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Blitzkrug said:



That's all on Trout too. I get being mad at having a ball whiz pass your head, but it wasn't even close to being intentional.

You're an 11 year veteran, man. Shake it off instead of bitching to the media and implying you didn't know if that was the intent or not. Meanwhile, Bryce Harper gets his thumb broken on a HBP, and moments after it happened as he left the field he actually accepted the guy's apology even though he had every right in the world to be pissed off.

The Angels are just a loser organization. Especially with what they pulled today,
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I want them to be terrible, similar to the Oilers lol
 
TGB said:
And why does Mayza keep getting rocked whenever I watch him pitch? When people tell me he's a good pitcher, I always think "Really? No way".
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He was one of the better relievers last season. And he was good to start this season too.

Before he went on the DL:

16 appearances, 13 IP, 2.08 ERA, 2.58 FIP, 25.5% Ks, 3.9% BBs, 1.00 WHIP, .258 BABIP

Since returning from the DL (not counting today):

7 appearances, 7 IP, 2.08 ERA, 6.81 FIP, 15.8% Ks, 15.8% BBs, 1.85 WHIP, .333 BABIP

He had a speedbumps pre-injury (3 times he allowed a run during his appearances, twice out of those 3 times he pitched less than an inning), but the rest of the time he was mostly lights out.

And now that I look at the game logs and separate things from my basic "man he's been bad lately" observations, he's actually only been really bad in 3 of his last 4 times out.

Today: 1 IP, 3H, 1 BB, 2 ER
Last Wednesday the 22nd in Chicago: 1 IP, 1H, 0ER
Tuesday the 21st in Chicago: 1 IP, 2 H, 1BB, 1 ER
Sunday the 19th vs the Yankees: didn't record an out, gave up 2 hits and a walk along with 1 run.

But overall since he came off the DL he's just "felt" less capable out there. It's hard to glean a lot from pitch type data in the game logs, but while his velo isn't down from before the DL trip and his rates of throwing in/out of the zone or whatnot hasn't really changed, there appears to just be something about his fastball that's making it more hittable. Maybe some of it is BABIP magic and he's just getting unlucky with balls landing in play or some of that BABIP is hitters making better contact. There's no data to show hard/soft contact in Fangraphs' game logs.

Really though, all of this is just a really roundabout way to say that for like a season plus a couple months Mayza was a solid, reliable reliever. It just remains to be seen whether this is him going full pumpkin or some kind of injury layoff kink that he needs to work out and reestablish himself. Time will tell.
 
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