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Hyun Jin Ryu’s 2022 season is, in all likelihood, over. His 2023 season is in question, too.

On Tuesday, Blue Jays general manager Ross Atkins said Ryu will undergo surgery to repair chronic changes to his left ulnar collateral ligament. That procedure could be a full revision of the UCL — commonly known as Tommy John surgery — or it could be a partial repair of the ligament. Which procedure he receives will be determined once the surgery is underway, but either is expected to end his season.


Since the 35-year-old left-hander landed on the injured list June 2 — for the second time this year — with forearm inflammation, the Blue Jays and Ryu have been consulting with their medical team and outside doctors to find a path to recovery. After exploring conservative routes, Ryu and the team decided to go ahead with the surgery, which will be performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache.

“We were hopeful that there was the potential of a conservative route and weighed the pros and cons of that and ultimately decided that it was best to move forward with the procedure,” Atkins said.


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What do we know about the injury, the surgery and the recovery time?

Atkins described the injury as “chronic changes” to the ligament. That means there wasn’t an acute injury — no one pitch did this — but rather, over the years, the ligament has stretched from constant use. That’s why Ryu felt tightness in his elbow amid his starts this year.

“Over time, that stretching and pulling makes the tightness occur and loss of dexterity or feel to execute his pitches or really finish them,” Atkins said.

The Blue Jays explored conservative options, including a platelet-rich plasma injection or rest and rehab. But, the best path forward was surgical. If Ryu does get Tommy John surgery, it would be his second. He also underwent the procedure in high school.


“He, I think, got to the point where he said, I just want to compete as quick as humanly possible and felt like this was the best thing to do that and focused on doing that for us,” Atkins said.

The typical recovery timeline from Tommy John is about 12 to 15 months, though Ryu is 35 years old, so bouncing back at a mature age is a tougher ask. There’s a scenario where Ryu doesn’t pitch again for the Blue Jays, considering his contract is up after 2023.

If Ryu received the partial repair, his timeline would be shorter, but it’s unclear by how much less.

“Is it a third shorter? Is it a quarter shorter? It’s based on the patient, based on the rehab, the actual repair and how that process goes,” Atkins said.

The expectation is Ryu will be sidelined for the remainder of 2022. A return at some point next season would be a “great outcome,” Atkins said.

As for how Ryu is dealing with the news, the GM said he’s “extremely disappointed.”

“He’s professional and he’s a very tough individual and has perspective, but he’s extremely disappointed that he won’t be part of this in the near term,” Atkins said.
 
It's a crime he hasn't been called up yet. I assume they're more willing to try out the Beasley's Lawrence's and Gage's of the world because if they fail they can DFA them and who cares but once they try Hernandez he's too valuable to DFA so it'll be a 40 man spot used up if he has to go back down.

But the numbers he's been putting up he needs to be an option ASAP.

At least Gage has been equally dominant in Buffalo.
 
What are some potential lefty bats out there that you can plug into the middle of our order and what would it take to acquire one? Or is the need for a big lefty bat overblown?
 
What are some potential lefty bats out there that you can plug into the middle of our order and what would it take to acquire one? Or is the need for a big lefty bat overblown?
It's overblown in that the Jays have no problems hitting righties (110 wRC+ - 8th in the league) even though they're way better against lefties (132 wRC+ - 2nd).

I didn't really care much in the offseason because they have a full lineup of guys who hit well against RHP, so who really cares which side they hit from? But Tapia's been playing so much that an improvement over him - someone who can legitimately hit in the middle of the order - would be really nice (even though Tapia's been quite good for the last month or so).
 
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Man, if they were to take on the Rendon contract the prospect cost would have to be basically nothing. Sounds good to me!
 
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Man, if they were to take on the Rendon contract the prospect cost would have to be basically nothing. Sounds good to me!
It would definitely reduce the price a LOT. And with Ryu's contract being covered by insurance, Toronto could probably do it.
 

Falling within the Top 100 is Blue Jays third base prospect Orelvis Martinez, who has proven to be extremely chase-prone at Double-A. His 55% swing rate there would rank him among the 15 most aggressive qualified big leaguers in 2022 (though many of them are quite good) and Martinez’s breaking ball issues prompted one scout to compare him to Maikel Franco. There’s still so much pull power here that I want to stay on Orelvis, but he slides among the boom-or-bust corner defenders, close to 100 overall.


Weird article here, really overblowing Ryu's impact when Stripling has been 10X better than Ryu in roughly the same amount of starts. Ryu was our 4th starter before the season and so far this year he is our 5th/6th best.
 




Weird article here, really overblowing Ryu's impact when Stripling has been 10X better than Ryu in roughly the same amount of starts. Ryu was our 4th starter before the season and so far this year he is our 5th/6th best.
Franco, as in the guy who has never been below average at striking out? He also demonstrated less power in the minors than Orelvis and was a significantly worse defender coming up. This is a strange comparison.
 
Meh, Shaner's shtick is that when a Toronto team loses, he posts the most outrageous hot take he can think of, and then disappears.
Very true. Literally never added to any conversation. Just a quick bash and out. The other guy knows baseball but not how to interact with people outside his brain
 
Eventually Trout is gonna need to demand a trade, right?
I was thinking the same when I saw that. Would be insane if the jays got him but if I were trout the minute they trade Ohtani I would be saying now trade me.
 
Gausman is getting pounded today. I can’t wait for this series to be over. This Mountcastle guy is killing us.
 
Hey guys. Never been to RC. Wanna take my SO to a game. Noob question: Would you say the September doubleheader against TB is worth it or just catch the Baltimore game?
 
Hey guys. Never been to RC. Wanna take my SO to a game. Noob question: Would you say the September doubleheader against TB is worth it or just catch the Baltimore game?


Games are dragged out anyway, you want to be there for 8 hours straight? You gonna need a second mortgage to pay for food and beers.
 
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