Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays fire manager Montoyo, Schneider takes over

[theaub]

2021

2022

His launch angle issues are basically consistent acros the board compared to last year. But my just watching view on him (which is consistent with the above) is that last year he was really turning and driving the up and in pitch and this year he's a touch behind and getting a bit choppy on it.

What's also weird is that even when he was putting everything else on the ground in '19/'20 he was still getting those pitches in the air...

 

[Discoverer]

He sure managed to erase that hot start in a hurry...

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[kb]

Fun fact:

Brandon Drury (yes, THAT Brandon Drury) would be second on the Jays in OPS just behind Springer (and ahead of Kirk, Vladdy, Bo, etc).

 

[MS]

If you can’t pitch, you can’t pitch. It doesn’t matter that you throw absolute gas.

Merryweather can throw hard and he throws strikes. That's generally the formula for a successful MLB relief pitcher.

When he was firing on all cylinders last year he looked absolutely dominant - Jordan Romano is only the closer now because Merryweather got hurt.

He's not Sean Reid-Foley who has a live arm but no idea how to pitch.

 

[Discoverer]

Fun fact:

Brandon Drury (yes, THAT Brandon Drury) would be second on the Jays in OPS just behind Springer (and ahead of Kirk, Vladdy, Bo, etc).

I hated the Happ trade because I thought they got two low-ceiling utility pieces in return - particularly Drury. I didn't see the untapped potential other teams seemed to see in him. It's hilarious that he's breaking out all these years later as a 29 year old.

As much as fans hate some players and get frustrated with roster decisions, Drury is yet another example of why teams are often so hesitant to give up on guys in their mid-20s.

 

[trellaine201]

Ryu is done for awhile. Does insurance pay his contract or does MLB have such a thing?

 

[jetsforever]

Ryu done for the season - pretty unfortunate

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Sucks for Ryu. Hope he has a full recovery.

 

[trellaine201]

You know what I am really amazed and surprised about Monoah? His control!

 

[MS]

Ryu done for the season - pretty unfortunate

Honestly, to me it's like the team lost him a year ago.

His ERA is like 5.50 in the last calendar year and having Stripling go into that rotation spot has been a substantial upgrade.

He's made it through 6 innings 4 times in his last 16 starts. His inability to eat innings has been a massive strain on the bullpen even when he manages not to get knocked around.

 

[The Nemesis]

which I predicted at the beginning of the season and the armchair GMs laughed at. Where are they now, I wonder? Funny how they've all clammed up since then lol).

People have clammed up because they're ignoring you. Which is fun given that you claim to be ignoring those same people (literally, as in using the ignore list) while still making comments like this.

 

[Bjindaho]

At this point they're better off just replacing Merryweather with Pearson. Same outlook, but much more likely to succeed.



No, he hits inside pitches pretty darn hard, actually. Most of his big games and big hits have been on inside/middle pitches. Basically so long as it isn't an outside pitch, he'll hit it.

The problem is Vladdy absolutely whiffs on outside pitches, so everyone and their mother is pitching him away. The thing is, he is perfectly capable of destroying outside pitching. We saw that early last year and on that home run he hit a few days ago. His bat does seem to hint downwards during a swing but overall it's pretty level and the swing that result in a right field home run didn't look any different from any OTHER swing that results in so many grounders.

Hmm...could be an EYE PLANE issue which would explain both his manual dexterity AND his failure to read pitches. I'll have to watch how he moves his head during a swing. The only other explanation might be that he's gone full free swing mode which has a detrimental mental effect on his swing mechanics. Someone needs to remind him it's okay to take a walk.

The hitter behind him doesn't matter because all anyone has to do is pitch away to him and he'll get himself out no prob, or he'll just hit a grounder into a DP (which I predicted at the beginning of the season and the armchair GMs laughed at. Where are they now, I wonder? Funny how they've all clammed up since then lol).

Your constant Vladdy bashing adds NOTHING to the thread. Especially when you are essentially spamming the same slightly adjusted post over and over.

Sure, he grounds into DP. But he also has 1.1 fWAR and is a key part of the offense.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Too bad about Ryu, feels like we barely got to know him. All of 2020 away from Toronto, half of 2021, and this year he barely pitched.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I thinking closer to the deadline they'll trade fir a rental perhaps?

 

[dredeye]

4 of the top 6 teams in the AL are from the AL East

That's essentially the same story every season

 

[dredeye]

At this point they're better off just replacing Merryweather with Pearson. Same outlook, but much more likely to succeed.



No, he hits inside pitches pretty darn hard, actually. Most of his big games and big hits have been on inside/middle pitches. Basically so long as it isn't an outside pitch, he'll hit it.

The problem is Vladdy absolutely whiffs on outside pitches, so everyone and their mother is pitching him away. The thing is, he is perfectly capable of destroying outside pitching. We saw that early last year and on that home run he hit a few days ago. His bat does seem to hint downwards during a swing but overall it's pretty level and the swing that result in a right field home run didn't look any different from any OTHER swing that results in so many grounders.

Hmm...could be an EYE PLANE issue which would explain both his manual dexterity AND his failure to read pitches. I'll have to watch how he moves his head during a swing. The only other explanation might be that he's gone full free swing mode which has a detrimental mental effect on his swing mechanics. Someone needs to remind him it's okay to take a walk.

The hitter behind him doesn't matter because all anyone has to do is pitch away to him and he'll get himself out no prob, or he'll just hit a grounder into a DP (which I predicted at the beginning of the season and the armchair GMs laughed at. Where are they now, I wonder? Funny how they've all clammed up since then lol).

you really live in a world of make belief. You made a claim at the beginning of the saeason that all Vlad was doing was hitting into double plays. At the time if memory serves he had hit into one double play which included the pre season. You were proven wrong and didn't like that. You do enjoy bending the truth though. The issue posters have with you is if you had simply left out the last sentence of your post it would be a solid one. Leave the pointless jabs and i'm so smart stuff out and you'll see you'll get to have great conversations in here.

 

[Maplebeasts]

I thinking closer to the deadline they'll trade fir a rental perhaps?

I'd try and make the move early and avoid having to outbid other contenders trying to load up at the deadline. As good as Strip has been he's our only true long man out of the pen.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Paul Goldschmidt is an absolute mad lad.

It's hilarious following this through the context of the game because his card has gone from 79 to 91 in the span of about 6 weeks.

And then they added this new thing this year where they boost cards for monster performances (Teoscar and Berrios were both recipients earlier in the year) or big moments.

Goldschmidt has essentially been juiced for the last month. They had to keep extending it for his hit streak and then once that cooled down, he immediately got boosted again for other shit lmao. My other favorite part is how there's much, much more expensive cards in the game like a 97 Babe Ruth. Goldy is better because he's incapable of not hitting the ball currently lmao.

I almost expected him to dick the Jays harder than he did outside of the walkoff bomb.

 

[TGB]

People have clammed up because they're ignoring you. Which is fun given that you claim to be ignoring those same people (literally, as in using the ignore list) while still making comments like this.

Oh, I'm ignoring them, but it's not exactly difficult to figure what they think and say, and you just proved they're still reading these posts. I do find it rather interesting you consider KB's constant harassment and insults, and constant similar actions from other members, to be "funny". Personally I don't find cultivating a culture of harassment to be very professional or healthy, and certainly not funny. I wonder why that's allowed?

Oh, right. How silly of me. Double standards: they're allowed to trash and bash me any chance they get-which you allow even though they're using all the same words that got my so-called "warning", even to the point of parading it, but I'm not allowed to remind them of their immature behaviour even when my "I told you so" is very well deserved.

So, I ignore. What else can I do? You guys refused my offer to clear the air, so I've got no other choice. Frankly, it would have ended there. My analytical ability continues to be proven elite, but then you guys just had to rub it in my face when Vladdy hit those three home runs. I'm perfectly justified in throwing a bit of shade back at the lot of you for that. I figure that's why you're all so wound up all the time.

Your constant Vladdy bashing adds NOTHING to the thread. Especially when you are essentially spamming the same slightly adjusted post over and over.
Sure, he grounds into DP. But he also has 1.1 fWAR and is a key part of the offense.

What Vladdy bashing? What the heck are you talking about? How in the world is my pointing out he needs to lay off outside pitches because the league knows he's gonna swing at them "bashing"? Don't you realize how silly that sounds? And how is that not adding to the thread? Do you not understand that a post like this accomplishes nothing more than PROVING my assertion that you guys are being irrationally protective of your stars?

It's not my fault it's plain as day how to pitch Vladdy. I just included that bit into my prediction list which was just for fun and wasn't even my idea. Why are you guys so wildly offended by the idea that there might be flaws in these players game and I just so happened to spot it when the rest of you couldn't?

 

[The Nemesis]

Oh, I'm ignoring them, but it's not exactly difficult to figure what they think and say, and you just proved they're still reading these posts. I do find it rather interesting you consider KB's constant harassment and insults, and constant similar actions from other members, to be "funny". Personally I don't find cultivating a culture of harassment to be very professional or healthy, and certainly not funny. I wonder why that's allowed?

I didn't say "funny". And I never said any one particular bit of behavior was funny (or "fun", the actual word I used). I was pointing out that the hypocrisy of you crowing about ignoring everyone who offends your sensibilities while also continuing to make digs at them without prompting. People weren't paying attention to you so you decided to make a jab at them. And yet you have the audacity to say that everyone else is insecure or jealous or whatever your reason is.

Oh, right. How silly of me. Double standards: they're allowed to trash and bash me any chance they get, even to the point of parading it, but I'm not allowed to remind them of their immature behaviour even when my "I told you so" is very well deserved.

No, you're not allowed to be a dick when you start things. People would gladly leave you alone if you didn't make yourself a giant target with the insufferable and condescending way that you present yourself. But you go out of your way to be as aggravating and infuriating as possible, then pretend to be all offended when everyone takes it badly as if it's not the most obvious thing in the world. But do go ahead and play martyr. It's always easy to tell who's actually a problem in a dispute because usually they're the ones that claim double standards and refuse to believe that anything they did crossed a line.

So, I ignore. Frankly, it would have ended there. My analytical ability continues to be proven elite, but then you guys just had to rub it in my face when Vladdy hit those three home runs. And now you guys are realizing "Crap, we celebrated too soon" and you know, so very well, that I have every right to throw it back. And that makes you all mad.

See? Look at how this paragraph drips with insulting, arrogant smugness. The "I'm so smart" and "I was right" and "you're all just mad jealous about how great I am" type comments and then you're baffled that people take it negatively. If you just stopped doing that people would probably be OK with you.

You'd think someone so gifted at prognostication would be able to see that acting like a haughty snob would end poorly. But here we are, I guess.

What am I supposed to say to a post like this? What in the WORLD makes you think I'm "bashing" Vladdy? Isn't there a word for someone who refuses to take anything but 100% praise for their favourite celebrity? And how is pointing out if, I dunno, he lays off away pitches he might hit better "adding nothing to the thread"? What more proof can there be that you guys are creating some kind of delusional fiction where I'm this crazed villain?

The required proof would be that you're not actually causing this through your behavior. Which isn't going to happen because this started way back when with you calling people "childish" and "cowards" and "defensive whiners" when you insulted them over disagreeing with your opinions and the manner in which you expressed them.

Almost every time you make a post, whether it's good, thoughtful analysis or just a spur-of-the-moment comment, there's a significant chance that said comment will be accompanied by either an unprompted shot at other posters or just some blatant chest-thumping and self-congratulatory egotism. If I didn't know better I'd say you were purposely engineering your posts to be as irritating as they can be. That you're hoping to draw people off-side by provoking them. Because when we go an extended period with nobody taking any of the bait, we get a post like the one I responded to where you, apropos of nothing, choose to call everyone out for not responding to you after previously calling them out for actually responding.

You guys realize I'm trying to figure out what's wrong, right? That's a GOOD thing. I don't want to see Vladdy fail. My pointing out that the league is going to realize he chases outside pitches was nothing more than a mere observation, but for some crazy reason that very notion offended a great many of you. As I've explained before, making predictions on the season for me is for FUN. Hell, it was someone else who asked us to do it, and someone else joined in.

The observation doesn't offend people nearly as much as how you present it. This is what you've been told repeatedly and is the thing that you have chosen to routinely ignore. It is the heart of the issue and the cause of almost all of the disputes that arise around you. As long as you seem disinterested in addressing that you shouldn't be surprised that most others are going to have little desire to interact with you in a meaningful way.

 

[TGB]

You grossly overestimate my "need for attention", lol. The only reason I'm still here is because I lost access to my regular computer in November and the HF forums is one of the few websites my crappy 20 year old office computer can still run for some reason.

And I never said any one particular bit of behavior was funny (or "fun", the actual word I used). I was pointing out that the hypocrisy of you crowing about ignoring everyone who offends your sensibilities while also continuing to make digs at them without prompting.

People insulting me on the very first day of me posting here doesn't count as prompted, huh? Like I said, double standards.

And I literally apologized for that. HF's response? Neverending, endless insults and ridicule. Without prompting? What a laugh.

No, you're not allowed to be a dick when you start things. People would gladly leave you alone if you didn't make yourself a giant target with the insufferable and condescending way that you present yourself.

Is this a joke? You got people insulting me left and right, even CELEBRATING it. Am I really supposed to just sit quietly by let it all happen? It almost sounds like you're allowing this to happen...

See? Look at how this paragraph drips with insulting, arrogant smugness. The "I'm so smart" and "I was right" and "you're all just mad jealous about how great I am" type comments and then you're baffled that people take it negatively.

I'm starting to think this is a "you" problem. People are allowed to point out when they're right about something especially when so many doubt them before hand. You're making it seem like I'm sitting here twirling my mustache or something. You're trying so, SO hard to paint me as this tyrannical monster and over what?

The very first response to me, ever, was "lol you're a moron", so stop pretending this is so one sided. For crying out loud, KB literally follows people around and insults them incessantly and nobody says nuts to him.

Almost every time you make a post, whether it's good, thoughtful analysis or just a spur-of-the-moment comment, there's a significant chance that said comment will be accompanied by either an unprompted shot at other posters or just some blatant chest-thumping and self-congratulatory egotism.

Literally every second reply to me is exactly that. Quit acting like everything will be A-OK if I just be quiet.

Again, I literally apologized for that early behaviour, but you guys refuse to let up. Stop. Pretending. This. Is. One sided.

The observation doesn't offend people nearly as much as how you present it. This is what you've been told repeatedly and is the thing that you have chosen to routinely ignore.

No, the heart of the issue now, which you routinely ignore, is YOU JOINED IN ON THE CELEBREATIONS when Vladdy hit three home runs in the game and this forum turned that whole event into a party aimed at sniping me. Do you really believe a few random people on the internet can really hurt my feelings so much? Dude, I've already proven myself like 100 times over.

Even more weirdly, you're turning my right to state "I told you so" in the face of such wild silliness into some horror novel where I'm cast as a villain. You're trying SO HARD to make me out to be the bad guy when all I ever said is "Hey, Vladdy is easy to strike out on away pitches". Anything I said before was nullified by prior apologizes, but then a new round began again with the Vladdy prediction.

Quit it. I'm not that bad. I've seen far more annoying behaviour from many other people.

You know what? I know you're all just being best buds, so I will-for the third time-try to end all of this and promise to stop the "I told you sos" if you just acknowledge three things:

-That both sides are to blame
-That the gang bang that happened during the Vladdy game did not help matters
-That the initial "I told you so" that is predicting Vladdy's season to a T so far was warranted given the sniping that happened during that game and it's perfectly reasonable to be a little grouchy in the face of such a thing.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

All I know is that I am going to really enjoy watching Gabe snipe baserunners for the next 10 years. That transition into the cannon was the best we've seen around here in a while. Could he match Santiago's 3 gold glove's one day? I know Martin had a live arm at the start, too.

 

[thehockeysong]

All I know is that I am going to really enjoy watching Gabe snipe baserunners for the next 10 years. That transition into the cannon was the best we've seen around here in a while. Could he match Santiago's 3 gold glove's one day? I know Martin had a live arm at the start, too.

It's going to be a treat. Biggio did an incredible job with that tag too - imo even more impressive than the throw. Hopefully he makes strides and is around as a utility guy for a long time too.

 

[Bjindaho]

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Paul Goldschmidt is an absolute mad lad.

It's hilarious following this through the context of the game because his card has gone from 79 to 91 in the span of about 6 weeks.

And then they added this new thing this year where they boost cards for monster performances (Teoscar and Berrios were both recipients earlier in the year) or big moments.

Goldschmidt has essentially been juiced for the last month. They had to keep extending it for his hit streak and then once that cooled down, he immediately got boosted again for other shit lmao. My other favorite part is how there's much, much more expensive cards in the game like a 97 Babe Ruth. Goldy is better because he's incapable of not hitting the ball currently lmao.

I almost expected him to dick the Jays harder than he did outside of the walkoff bomb.

I looked at his splits earlier because it seemed like every time I watched a HR, it was at Busch Stadium. Lo and behold, 13 of his 16 HR have been at home, with absolutely ridiculous numbers overall (.407/.485./.805, 261 wRC+)

His road stats are actually in line with his career average, other than a bit less power. He just loves Busch lol