Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays fire manager Montoyo, Schneider takes over
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BertCorbeau
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Kirk must be a Seinfeld fan
… it’s the same swing
… it’s the same swing
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Current Angels GM, Perry Minasian was a former Jays AGM and has shown his love for past Blue Jays; Noah Syndergaard, Aaron Loup, Ryan Tepera, Cesar Valdez, Jake Petricka and Brian Moran.
It seems like it would be a great fit in a lot of ways. They're not that dissimilar to the 15-16 Jays in that they're a veteran team loaded with star power. I would love to see it.
Having said that, if Steve Simmons is advocating for it I assume I'm completely wrong on it and it's actually a terrible idea.
Blue Jays farm director on Gabriel Moreno: 'He raises (the) level of play of people around him'
With Danny Jansen on the IL, that temporarily opens up an opportunity for playing time at the catcher spot in Toronto.
Whenever a prospect is on the precipice of the majors, the Blue Jays must consider a number of factors when deciding the right time to call him up. Joe Sclafani (Blue Jays director of player development) said the Blue Jays want to make sure that any player has his routines in a good place and is aware of what it takes to be a professional in every sense, from their preparation right through to their post-game recovery. Given the demands of the catcher position, having those routines in order would be especially paramount for someone like Moreno.
Sclafani said the club has been encouraged with the progress Moreno has made behind the plate, including improving how he receives the low pitch, calling pitches and making in-game adjustments based on reading hitters’ swings.
“That was a heavy focus for us and he’s all in on that, and we’re starting to see the returns as he develops those relationships with the guys he didn’t really know that well,” Sclafani said. “Older pitchers know what they want to do and it’s taking that and what you’ve seen and lining that up to really make an impact to help those guys be at their best.”
Offensively, the numbers stand out because Moreno has also been making better swing decisions at the plate lately. Moreno has got a special ability to barrel up the baseball, but as he faces more advanced pitching, he’s been encouraged to work on refining his approach and focus on swinging at pitches he can drive rather than swinging at pitches outside of the zone, which he can probably still hit, but do less damage on.
“The swing decisions part has been probably our main focus on the hitting side, and he’s gotten drastically better,” Sclafani said. “It’s no surprise that the offensive production was what it was in May considering the swing decision points that we tracked and ball-in-play points that we track. He had a fantastic May all the way around.”
For Moreno, his continued development relies on him playing every day, especially after he was limited to 37 games last year because of injury. With Jansen on the IL, that temporarily opens up an opportunity for playing time at the catcher spot in Toronto, but if Jansen isn’t expected to be out long — which seems to be the early hope — the Blue Jays may not want to risk calling Moreno up for a short stint, only for at-bats to dry up when Jansen makes his return.
Such are the pros and cons that have to be weighed before a major-league call-up. Even as speculation builds around when Moreno will get the call remains, we know when he does arrive, he’s primed to make an impact.
“He’s just a fantastic kid, number one, (his) character is off the charts, teammates gravitate towards him, he’s a good worker, guys like playing with him,” Sclafani said. “He raises (the) level of play of people around him.”
Highest priority at the deadline has to be upgrading the bullpen.
It's thin right now even with basically everyone healthy, and there aren't nearly enough power arms of the sort that play in postseason.
It's thin right now even with basically everyone healthy, and there aren't nearly enough power arms of the sort that play in postseason.
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Tanner Morris promoted to AAA. Starting game 2 of a double header there now
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During one of the last couple broadcasts I think it was Shulman that said he was talking with Gibby about managing today and the way things are and Gibby basically said that the game had passed him by.
I respect what he did and always thought he got the short stick given that he didn't make egregiously weird decisions at the helm (IIRC he was a little in love with small ball and occasionally made some puzzling bullpen substitution choices but he also generally assembled solid lineups and wasn't too quick/slow with the hook on pitchers) and I can respect him if he recognizes that he's not a fit for the way the game is run now.
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He was averaging 93 last start so he is slowly building it up.
BertCorbeau
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Oooooh that’s exciting. I guess they’ll carry 3 catchers? I wonder if Jansen is out long than they initially expected
I'm surprised given how conservative they've been with calling young players up in the past.
How many ABs are actually available for Moreno given they way Kirk is raking?
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A lot of that was service time manipulation, which has been somewhat disincentivized in the new CBA, IIRC.
Kirk has been lights out offensively and terrific defensively and I don't love the idea of giving him fewer reps at the plate or behind the plate to break in a rookie catcher when this team needs to win games.
Didn't they also use up Zack Collins' last option by calling him up 2 days ago? The timing around all of this seems weird.
I get wanting to see young players hit MLB and make their debut - it's interesting and exciting. But this seems a little premature to me, and out of character for how Shatkins have run this team. We'll see how it plays out, I guess.
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I obviously don't know the plan management has Moreno. I think playing the Tigers and Orioles might have something to do with timing. There are a couple of night then day game over the next week so Kirk won't catch both of those games. I want Kirk's bat in the lineup as much as possible and over catching and being the DH he should be in the lineup almost all the games.
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If the plan is to just play Moreno instead of Jansen behind the plate then Kirk shouldn't lose any ABs. They don't seem to want to have Kirk behind the plate too many games in a row anyways given his body, so he likely keeps DHing a lot.
I just wouldn't use Collins much at all. He went down to Buffalo and went 3-29. Outside of a few extra base hits herr and there he's not good. He's the Tapia of catchers but maybe worse.
I just wouldn't use Collins much at all. He went down to Buffalo and went 3-29. Outside of a few extra base hits herr and there he's not good. He's the Tapia of catchers but maybe worse.
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It was mentioned (I think) yesterday that Kirk is usually only penciled in for a max of like 3 of every 5 games (presumably the sample they're using since that's one spin through the rotation) behind the plate. So you start there with Kirk behind the plate 3/5 games, DH 1/5, maybe 1 off day in that cycle to let them have other guys cycle through the DH spot like Vlad or Springer.
So Moreno gets 2/5 games behind the plate, 2/5 DH, 1 off day.
Game 1: Kirk C, Moreno DH
Game 2: Moreno C, Kirk DH
Game 3: Kirk C, Moreno off
Game 4: Kirk C, Moreno DH
Game 5: Moreno C, Kirk off
It's not ideal, no. But it keeps one of them in the lineup at all times, allows you to DH a non-catcher twice out of every 5 games, has both guys in the lineup simultaneously 3x a set, and splits the catching duties about as 50/50 as you can.
Also no, Collins is still optionable. According to the new CBA players can be optioned/recalled a maximum of 5 times in a season (Based on how I'm reading the CBA primer on the Athletic, this is combined for any/all teams that own a player's rights in a season. The exception is that if a team claims the guy on waivers after his 5 demotions/recalls they get a "free" option to use before he's subject to waivers again. But this only happens if said team didn't already have the player earlier in this season). Optioning him at all burns his last option year but they get the 4 demotion/promotion tandems that remained after the trade before they have to start putting him through waivers. Looking at his transaction page:
April 1 - The White Sox optioned him to their AAA team in Charlotte (That's option #1), activating his last option year. He would be traded to the Jays 2 days later and came across to the MLB roster.
April 4 - Optioned to Buffalo (#2). He would be recalled on April 7
May 23 - Optioned (#3). He was recalled the other day.
So even if they send him down right away that's only option #4 and they would still have one more shot to bring him up and send him down risk-free before being on their last chance to bring him up at which point he would be subject to waivers.
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