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Biggest fiasco of this tournament yet?

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Chimpradamus

Chimpradamus

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What do you think is the biggest fiasco of this tournament yet? I have three (four) candidates:

a) The ice. It has been a current issue where the arena is too hot and the games have to be delayed during intermission. The organizers blame "suspected sabotage" and have kept arenas lit during team entries, to spot the supposed hockey haters that manage to screw up an entire ice with some unknown material. Yeah, how about just admitting playing hockey in Köln in the middle of may isn't smart enough?

b) The organization. In the game between Sweden and Slovakia, the Swedish team were told to stay in the lockerroom because of a) ice conditions. When they were cleared to go, they received a 2 minute penalty by the refs for delay of game(!), because they were late(!). The refs then refused to make a call and confirm the reason why Sweden was late (the tournament organizers told them!). I have never seen this happen in my entire life. So Sweden had another penalty because of total tournament incompetence.

c) The refs. Who the hell are these guys and where did they find these bunches of morons? They're not even close enough to being good enough at this level. NHL refs are struggling well enough, I claimed IIHF refs and NHL refs are just as bad, but no. IIHF refs are a ****ing joke.

D) All of the above.

E) Other of your specification.

The teams are good, but the rest? Holy hell what a Donald Duck tournament.
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wirelessflyingcord said:
Refs:

FIN-CAN: Sebastian Aho got a 2 min penalty, Lasse Kukkonen went to protest and claims linesman said "**** you" and then suddenly Kukkonen got 10 mins misconduct.

Linesman in question was Mark Lemelin who officiated abouy 60 NHL games.

Finnish source: http://www.ksml.fi/urheilu/kiekko/T...llimies-haistatteli-leijonakapteenille/987207
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i agree on the Aho call but the way i saw it, it looks like Kukkonen skates to the offical during a tv time out to argue the call. Without knowing what is said cause there is no audio on it, you are risking it especially in international hockey to confront the refs like that
 
YakDavid said:
i agree on the Aho call but the way i saw it, it looks like Kukkonen skates to the offical during a tv time out to argue the call. Without knowing what is said cause there is no audio on it, you are risking it especially in international hockey to confront the refs like that
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"There was an instant clear '**** you', and I said that you can't talk to me like that and suddenly got a 10 min penalty" - Captain Kukkonen
 
YakDavid said:
i agree on the Aho call but the way i saw it, it looks like Kukkonen skates to the offical during a tv time out to argue the call. Without knowing what is said cause there is no audio on it, you are risking it especially in international hockey to confront the refs like that
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True but I think the refs aren't supposed to provoking players like that. ^ The translation in above post is more direct and accurate than in my original post.
 
jumptheshark said:
He argued the call in language that was viewed to be improper
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What I got from Kukkonen's interview was that the improper language was from linesman and I have zero reasons not to believe the guy.

In another interview he was asked about it again and he said:

"I wouldn't go back to it anymore but it was an interesting situation if linesman says '**** you' three times. I only said that you can't talk to me like that and got 10 min penalty. I've seen lot during my career, now I've seen it all. In my opinion if a ref tells you to '**** you' I have every right to ask why hes talking to me like that. It was his call, hope his ego got a good boost out of it." - Kukkonen

http://www.mtv.fi/sport/mm2017/arti...na-tuomari-haistatti-v-t-kolme-kertaa/6435574
 
Marky1999 said:
Yeah, they stole the game from Latvia yet again. Hope Canada destroys Germany
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First goal was offside, yeah. But stealing it from you? How about you just play hockey ffs? Going into full turtle mode for 55 minutes doesn't usually put you in a position to win anything, you know? Besides, you had three blatantly missed calls on your side, so what's the point again?
 
So, the (former?) NHL refs are as bad as any judging
by this Mark Lemelin incident. Too big egos after whistling a bunch of games in the big boys league, okay. Bring in the Finnish refs. They are no infantile idiots as least.
 
Chimp said:
a) The ice. It has been a current issue where the arena is too hot and the games have to be delayed during intermission. The organizers blame "suspected sabotage" and have kept arenas lit during team entries, to spot the supposed hockey haters that manage to screw up an entire ice with some unknown material. Yeah, how about just admitting playing hockey in Köln in the middle of may isn't smart enough?
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The ice in this arena being bad is a pretty common thing, to begin with. I'd also guess that the new lighting they installed right before the tournament (before any other game was played there) might have something to do with it being even worse than usual. Multiple games a day, 25°C outside and mostly packed stands to generate extra heat probably all contribute as well. So, yeah, it didn't really take any "sabotage" to guess that the ice could become a bit of an issue...
 
GermanRocket7 said:
First goal was offside, yeah. But stealing it from you? How about you just play hockey ffs? Going into full turtle mode for 55 minutes doesn't usually put you in a position to win anything, you know? Besides, you had three blatantly missed calls on your side, so what's the point again?
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If it wasn't for that "penalty" in the end of the 3rd period, Latvia would have won. We played better hockey than Germany. All 3 of our goals were amazing. This gives me flashbacks from 2014 against Belarus. Latvia played better in that game as well. Don't understand why IIHF is in love with the hosts nations.
 
Marky1999 said:
If it wasn't for that "penalty" in the end of the 3rd period, Latvia would have won.
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Maybe you would, maybe not. Was a penalty, anyway.

Marky1999 said:
We played better hockey than Germany.
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Today? Not really.

Marky1999 said:
All 3 of our goals were amazing.
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The 2nd one was "amazing"? Really? That's a very low standard.

No need to get further into it, though. The Latvian team and their fans were a great guest, yet again. Had a lot of fun with both of their games I went to vs. Sweden and Russia and some interaction with their fans here. Add in the tonight's game that I watched, I just wasn't a good luck charme for them I suppose. :)
 
Bad referees with terrible decisions is the trademark of IIHF. This has been trend for some time and the trend has become a tradition for them.

Every single year there are so many "mistakes" from referees. What is the point of this tournament? I don't get it anymore.
 
Loffer said:
So, the (former?) NHL refs are as bad as any judging
by this Mark Lemelin incident. Too big egos after whistling a bunch of games in the big boys league, okay. Bring in the Finnish refs. They are no infantile idiots as least.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "incident"
A player makes a claim, that's it...



FinRuutu said:
What I got from Kukkonen's interview was that the improper language was from linesman and I have zero reasons not to believe the guy.
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I don't know the player at all, and so from that point of view I too have no reason not to believe the guy...but the accusation does seems surprising/unlikely and has no "proof" to support it (in fact, I'd think typically/in general an arguing player on a team that is playing embarrassingly bad is less trustworthy than an official)
 
Nino33 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "incident"
A player makes a claim, that's it...



I don't know the player at all, and so from that point of view I too have no reason not to believe the guy...but the accusation does seems surprising/unlikely and has no "proof" to support it (in fact, I'd think typically/in general an arguing player on a team that is playing embarrassingly bad is less trustworthy than an official)
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Of course its surprising and unlikely, thats why he told it, these guys rarely talk about anything said on ice but this instance it was warranted. Also you don't know the ref either. Whats Kukkonen's motive to fabricate a story like that when he knows its gonna be all over news and would be easy for IIHF to call BS on it, which they haven't done. Makes no sense.

Also your whole notion that player of a team that lost or played bad is somehow inclined to lie or is less trustworthy is laughable and has no basis whatsoever.
 
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