Better player: Stamkos vs Tavares

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Right now, who's the better player?

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[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Stamkos never showed up in the playoffs in his life

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Johnny Tavares for me

 

[EhlersChin]

JT

 

[YamCork]

Tavares

 

[JoVel]

How is anyone besides leaf ball washers saying Tavares? All the stats favour Stamkos.

He disappears in the playoffs like no one else, except maybe Thornton.

 

[Scott Stevens]

He disappears in the playoffs like no one else, except maybe Thornton.

Well. I will cede to you the fact that Tavares’ playoff stats are hardly embarrassing.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

How is anyone besides leaf ball washers saying Tavares? All the stats favour Stamkos.

Stamkos has 25 even strength points in 70 career playoff games.

There are certain players who just never show up for the playoffs. They are few and far between, but they exist and they repeat these (non) performances time and time again. If I think two players are even remotely close, I’m taking the one with the better playoff resume. This is a big part of why I don’t complain about Jonathan Toews making the NHL 100 and Joe Thornton being snubbed.

Tavares had a poor showing in the playoffs this year, but he also had a few strong performances with the Islanders. This is him for sure.

 

[Eastborn142]

Tavares, not close.

 

[Mestaruus]

Tavares, not close.

Indeed. How is this poll that close I wonder.

 

[Islanderfan17]

Isles fan saying JT

 

[Eastborn142]

Indeed. How is this poll that close I wonder.

leaf haters, as usual. I'd like to find one prior to signing with the leafs see what the results were.

 

[Sasso09]

I think Tavares is the most overrated player of this decade but I still pick him here.

 

[The Macho King]

Stamkos is a f***ing ghost come April...

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

leaf haters, as usual. I'd like to find one prior to signing with the leafs see what the results were.

Here you go:

Tavares vs Stamkos

Tavares had 45.8% of the vote before joining the Maple Leafs. He has 63.5% of the vote right now.

 

[Eastborn142]

Here you go:

Tavares vs Stamkos

Tavares had 45.8% of the vote before joining the Maple Leafs. He has 63.5% of the vote right now.

That was also before had career seasons though

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

That was also before had career seasons though

First you wanted to see how he was doing before he joined Toronto, and now that you see he is doing better with them, you’ve moved the goal posts. Tavares’ season wasn’t anywhere near a true career season if you adjust for league scoring, and Stamkos also set a career high in points.

Most importantly, there are other polls that were done before this season started, where Tavares did slightly better against the same player (Scheifele and Seguin) than he did in polls against that same player before he joined Toronto.

The presence of “Leaf haters” is not enough to prevent their players from maintaining their position, or doing better in polls after joining Toronto.

 

[Eastborn142]

First you wanted to see how he was doing before he joined Toronto, and now that you see he is doing better with them, you’ve moved the goal posts. Tavares’ season wasn’t anywhere near a true career season if you adjust for league scoring, and Stamkos also set a career high in points.

Most importantly, there are other polls that were done before this season started, where Tavares did slightly better against the same player (Scheifele and Seguin) than he did in polls against that same player before he joined Toronto.

The presence of “Leaf haters” is not enough to prevent their players from maintaining their position, or doing better in polls after joining Toronto.

So I’m the one that was moving goal posts, but then you say no Tavares season wasn’t actually a career season when you adjust for league scoring. Huh ? That doesn’t even make any sense. Yes he had a career season. He scored more points and more goals then any other prior season. Not a hard concept to grasp there.

No the St. Louis blues didn't actually win the cup because the actual best team in the league got knocked out early and it was a weird playoffs so it doesn’t count.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

So I’m the one that was moving goal posts, but then you say no Tavares season wasn’t actually a career season when you adjust for league scoring. Huh ? That doesn’t even make any sense. Yes he had a career season. He scored more points and more goals then any other prior season. Not a hard concept to grasp there.

No the St. Louis blues didn't actually win the cup because the actual best team in the league got knocked out early and it was a weird playoffs so it doesn’t count.

Tavares has a 2nd place scoring finish and two top-3 Hart Trophy finishes. This season, playing with the best linemates he ever had, he still didn’t even finish in the top-15 in scoring.

By your logic, Stamkos also had a career season; after all, he set a career high in points. Do you really want to play that game?

 

[Eastborn142]

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Tavares has a 2nd place scoring finish and two top-3 Hart Trophy finishes. This season, playing with the best linemates he ever had, he still didn’t even finish in the top-15 in scoring.

By your logic, Stamkos also had a career season; after all, he set a career high in points. Do you really want to play that game?

I would agree with that. Highest point total = career year. Yay !

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

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I would agree with that. Highest point total = career year. Yay !

Okay so then Stamkos and Tavares both had a career year. Yet Tavares after joining the Leafs started doing better than Stamkos in polls. Isn’t that enough to say that “Leafs haters” don’t actually swing polls in the negative for Maple Leafs players?

 

[Eastborn142]

Okay so then Stamkos and Tavares both had a career year. Yet Tavares after joining the Leafs started doing better than Stamkos in polls. Isn’t that enough to say that “Leafs haters” don’t actually swing polls in the negative for Maple Leafs players?

Really depends on the amount of haters vs neutral fans that choose to become engaged in these polls. There’s no way of knowing, so a moot thing to argue about. Next !

 

[Pyrophorus]

Stamkos has 25 even strength points in 70 career playoff games.

There are certain players who just never show up for the playoffs. They are few and far between, but they exist and they repeat these (non) performances time and time again. If I think two players are even remotely close, I’m taking the one with the better playoff resume. This is a big part of why I don’t complain about Jonathan Toews making the NHL 100 and Joe Thornton being snubbed.

Tavares had a poor showing in the playoffs this year, but he also had a few strong performances with the Islanders. This is him for sure.

I don't think 5pts in 7 games is poor.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I don't think 5pts in 7 games is poor.

Well, poor is subjective. For a 4th liner, 5 pts in 7 games is very good.

For an 11 million dollar center who scored 47 goals and 88 points in the regular season? 5 points in 7 games is quite poor.

Now factor in the context. Only 2 of those points were goals and only 1 of them was scored against an actual goaltender. At 5-on-5, his team was out-scored 5-3 with him on the ice, while they out-scored Boston by a margin of 9-6 when he was on the bench.

That’s a poor performance. But of course, it’s still literally an above average performance by Steven Stamkos Standards.

 

[NarcoPolo]

I think Tavares is the most overrated player of this decade but I still pick him here.

Another L for you. Wrong about Morgan and wrong again.