Better format for next World Cup
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JackSlater
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Good quote from Niederreiter as well:
"At the end of the day it's a lot more emotional when you play for your own country," said Niederreiter. "Here, you got put together a couple of weeks ago and you're eight nations in one place and for one team. At this point you don't really play for your country, you play for the teammates you have. So it's a mixed feeling. Even being in the finals, it's a different feeling than when you play for Switzerland in the final. There's literally no pressure on us (Team Europe). All the pressure is on Canada.''
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/17652653/nhl-world-cup-hockey-world-cup-hockey-here-stay-nhl-participation-2018-seoul-olympics-the-air
Henkka
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Wouldn't it be nice to play same time of Provincial Championship?
Team Quebec
Team Ontario
Team Manitoba
Team Saskachewan
Team Alberta
Team British Columbia
Team Nova Scotia etc.
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Henkka
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For the current format, It's ok for me.
Only change I'd like to see, is to have only ONE GROUP of 8 teams, which plays 7-game round robin.
This way, there's less meningless games. Those exhibition games are just not needed. I saw Finland playing 2x Swe and then USA, then against Team NA and against Swe again, and only in these two games there was the real fight for a win. When they lost their chances, last game was meaningless.
4/6 games were meaningless. I hated this system.
With one 8-team group, you play 7 games and it's only one more for every team they now had. Every game would be meaningful, but not so critical to win like now two of them was. Round Robin is just enough "practise games", for real playoff rounds. One or two losses doesn't kill your chances.
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Also, half of the tournament, four European teams, should start their games playing at Europe, so they could play in front of their home crowds. This would create more money for NHL. Higher ticket prizes. Sweden-Finland in Canada doesn't get any extra interest.
Something like this:
Finland - Sweden (in Helsinki)
Russia - Czech (in Moscow)
Sweden - Russia (in Stockholm)
Czech - Finland (in Prague)
Russia - Finland (in St. Petersburg)
Sweden - Czech (Gothenburg)
Sweden and Russia would get 2 home games, because they had the best success of these four teams in this 2016 tournament.
At same time, Canada, USA, Team NA and Team Europe would face themselves at North America. When Europeans complete their games, they would join North American teams on same continent and play rest of the Round Robin.
Just like they did now, but those practise games in Europe would be same Group games with equal points.
Only change I'd like to see, is to have only ONE GROUP of 8 teams, which plays 7-game round robin.
This way, there's less meningless games. Those exhibition games are just not needed. I saw Finland playing 2x Swe and then USA, then against Team NA and against Swe again, and only in these two games there was the real fight for a win. When they lost their chances, last game was meaningless.
4/6 games were meaningless. I hated this system.
With one 8-team group, you play 7 games and it's only one more for every team they now had. Every game would be meaningful, but not so critical to win like now two of them was. Round Robin is just enough "practise games", for real playoff rounds. One or two losses doesn't kill your chances.
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Also, half of the tournament, four European teams, should start their games playing at Europe, so they could play in front of their home crowds. This would create more money for NHL. Higher ticket prizes. Sweden-Finland in Canada doesn't get any extra interest.
Something like this:
Finland - Sweden (in Helsinki)
Russia - Czech (in Moscow)
Sweden - Russia (in Stockholm)
Czech - Finland (in Prague)
Russia - Finland (in St. Petersburg)
Sweden - Czech (Gothenburg)
Sweden and Russia would get 2 home games, because they had the best success of these four teams in this 2016 tournament.
At same time, Canada, USA, Team NA and Team Europe would face themselves at North America. When Europeans complete their games, they would join North American teams on same continent and play rest of the Round Robin.
Just like they did now, but those practise games in Europe would be same Group games with equal points.
Henkka
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I'm quite sure we will find good hockey players from every province.
Of course.... why not split USA on states or Russia...
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Preisst*
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I'm quite sure we will find good hockey players from every province.
Of course.... why not split USA on states or Russia...
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Every province does have good hockey players. The population disparity from one province to another renders the suggestion a non-starter.
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NoShowWilly
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Coast to Coast to Coast(bc, the maritimes, and territories), Prairies(Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba), Ontario, Quebec(since they'll want their own team)
Im glad Europe has made the final because it has exposed the fundamental flaw of having these patchwork teams competing. There are literally no stakes anymore. Canada is the last nation standing, and now we will watch some interesting exhibition games while we wish they could just all go right to NHL camp.
Team NA was fun, but it hurt team USA. Team Europe is a neat story, but they've spoiled the party already.
If the NHL wants this to work, they need to spread the games around like they did in 1996 (USA/Rus at MSG has to be a big draw!), as Babcock said, all night games, and have the top 8 national teams competing. Even if it means Suisse gets trounced a couple times, or Denmark gets embarrassed, or Kopitar can't compete in the tourney (not that he wouldn't be competing in IIHF qualifying), the amalgam teams cheapen the competition....like the Spengler Cup versus the World Championship. One is fun; the other matters.
Team NA was fun, but it hurt team USA. Team Europe is a neat story, but they've spoiled the party already.
If the NHL wants this to work, they need to spread the games around like they did in 1996 (USA/Rus at MSG has to be a big draw!), as Babcock said, all night games, and have the top 8 national teams competing. Even if it means Suisse gets trounced a couple times, or Denmark gets embarrassed, or Kopitar can't compete in the tourney (not that he wouldn't be competing in IIHF qualifying), the amalgam teams cheapen the competition....like the Spengler Cup versus the World Championship. One is fun; the other matters.
Gary Nylund
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- Oct 10, 2013
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How has Team Europe spoiled the party? They were dismissed by so many before the tournament even started but look at them now! There's 8 nations represented if I'm not mistaken and I'll bet there's some fans in those countries who are following their countries players with great interest.
Gary Nylund
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Sounds like a rousing success.
Dismiss it if you like, but it's likely that there are people in 8 countries who are paying attention to hockey who otherwise wouldn't be. That's not a bad thing, or is it?
1909
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- Jul 6, 2016
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Canada should have three teams, like they have three Major Junior Leagues. One from the West, one from Ontario, one from the East (Quebec and Maritimes). That would be entertaining. the first Team Canada line is already the first line who would play on Eastern Team with Crosby-Bergeron and Marchand....
Considering the opportunity cost, yes, it's a bad thing.
This is a dud of a final. Canada/Sweden would have had intrigue and passion. Canada v any country would have had passion. Canada v the young guns would have had intrigue; this has neither. This is a scrimmage.
1909
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Why not just repect the way Canada is divided by its Major Junior leagues. ? Put the Territories with Western provinces
1909
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12 teams:
Canada
USA
Russia
Sweden
Finland
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Germany
Switzerland
Slovenia
Norway
Austria/Belarus
Canada
USA
Russia
Sweden
Finland
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Germany
Switzerland
Slovenia
Norway
Austria/Belarus
Adding the last 5 countries in your list won't change a thing, result will be the same, Canada is just too strong. I prefer the actual format instead of having meaningful games against Norway or Slovenia ending 8-0.
NoShowWilly
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