Better contract? Stutzle or Suzuki?

[NikolaTesla]

Both are centers, have very similar contracts, age and numbers (at least this year).

Suzuki
24 years old, 7.875 mill cap hit ending in 2030
72gp, 30g, 39a, 69pts (best numbers of his career)

Stutzle
22 years old, 8.35 mill cap hit ending in 2031
72 gp, 18g 50a 68pts this year (down year compared to last year)
90 points last year
Would probably make the olympic diving team

 

[Bee Holder]

I'm gonna be a homer here but Suzuki is a much more complete player, playing a 200 ft game and being very strong on the PK. He's also much more respected around the league as being a class act and playing à la Bergeron compared to the gold medal olympic diver.

 

[Steve Austin]

I pick Suzuki. The full package, the real deal, Big Nick Energy, and a great Captain/leader already.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Ask me one year ago

 

[Gnome17]

Hard to say. Suzuki is older and more of a finished product, while Stutzle took a step back this year, together with the rest of his team. Stutzles development over the next couple years will determine his worth.
Stutzle also just turned 22, hes born in 2002 while Suzuki is born in 1999.

 

[Stickpucker]

I take Stutzle.

Much higher ceiling.

 

[Cenzo_]

Both fan base will say their player I would think but frankly it really depends if you prefer high offense players versus high intangible players.

Stutzle has higher ceiling to be a point leader
Suzuki has higher ceiling to be a selke winner

I’m going with the Selke type

 

[LeProspector]

People think Suzuki is a “Selke type”?

I’ve seen it all.

 

[Prettyisland]

I think they are both fair. If either is “better” it be fractional at most. Both players will help their team when it’s ready to compete at a fair cost.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

It would be hard for me to be a fan of a player like Stützle the bitch

 

[Voodoo Child]

There’s just no way Suzuki has a better contract than Stutzle- the same Stutzle who is better than Auston Matthews.

Both are pretty nice deals but I’d say Stutzle because he’s younger and has reached higher highs so far.

 

[dirtydanglez]

id bet on stutzle. his ceiling is much higher.

 

[Zbynek]

Suzuki is good but Stutzle is better.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Stutzle

 

[thebestnic]

I'm a Habs fan but it's Stutzle. A bad year doesn't change that

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Stutzle and it's not close. Are people forgetting he had 90 points last year in only 78 games?

Suzuki is currently enjoying a career high in shooting percentage, while Stutzle is suffering from a career low. And their production is still nearly identical this year.

Last 2 years:
Stutzle
57 goals 158 points in 150gp

Suzuki
56 goals 135 points in 156gp

Stutzle is 2+ years younger. This isn't close.

 

[NyQuil]

Stutzle, not close.

Stutzle in two seasons will be at the age Suzuki is now.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The answer to this is Stutzle and it isn't close......he does dive though! Still take him on my team lol

 

[Miller Time]

People think Suzuki is a “Selke type”?

I’ve seen it all.

Except Suzuki playing hockey, apparently

 

[NyQuil]

Stutzle and it's not close. Are people forgetting he had 90 points last year in only 78 games?

Suzuki is currently enjoying a career high in shooting percentage, while Stutzle is suffering from a career low. And their production is still nearly identical this year.

Last 2 years:
Stutzle
57 goals 158 points in 150gp

Suzuki
56 goals 135 points in 156gp

Stutzle is 2+ years younger. This isn't close.

The difference in age between Suzuki and Stutzle is around the same as between Stutzle and Slavkovsky.

Maybe we should compare their production too.

 

[JimmyApples]

Habs fans would drive Suzuki to the airport if it meant trading him straight up for Stützle.

Plus, Stützle lives in everyone’s head rent free

 

[LeProspector]

Except Suzuki playing hockey, apparently

There is a crazy stigma in hockey that “X player is on the PK, they’re a good two way forward” then if said player is also a decent point producer, that conversation leads to “x player is a Selke level player”.

Ottawa fans are guilt of this with Stützle when he started PKing. But if you actually watch him play, he is terrible at defending 5on5 and often cheats up the ice.

Now Suzuki is a better 5v5 defender than Stützle, That’s pretty obvious , but in reality, league wide he is an average two-way forward, but fans prop him up in conversations like this because it’s difficult for the average fan to quantify defensive contributions because there aren’t many stats that support that. You have to actually watch the games to know who is, and who isn’t a good defensive presence on the ice.

So no, Suzuki isn’t a Selke level talent.

 

[Jack Skellington]

I'm happy to keep Suzuki leading the team as a Habs fan. Stutzle obviously is likely to end up as the more productive player and better overall in the long run.
He has had a hell of a lot more help than Suzuki on offense and defense though and still can't even get his team past the tanking Habs in the standings. I guess you can blame it 100% on goalies if you want even though Habs have two goalies who were waiver wire basically in the last few seasons.

 

[NyQuil]

There is a crazy stigma in hockey that “X player is on the PK, they’re a good two way forward” then if said player is also a decent point producer, that conversation leads to “x player is a Selke level player”.

Ottawa fans are guilt of this with Stützle when he started PKing. But if you actually watch him play, he is terrible at defending 5on5 and often cheats up the ice.

Now Suzuki is a better 5v5 defender than Stützle, That’s pretty obvious , but in reality, league wide he is an average two-way forward, but fans prop him up in conversations like this because it’s difficult for the average fan to quantify defensive contributions because there aren’t many stats that support that. You have to actually watch the games to know who is, and who isn’t a good defensive presence on the ice.

So no, Suzuki isn’t a Selke level talent.

You do have to actually watch the games to know about defensive play, which is why your scouting report on Stutzle is wrong.

Stutzle does not cheat up the ice. He comes back and helps out in his own zone like any decent centre does.

His problem defensively is that he tries to force plays in bad positions on the ice - like trying to thread a pass through two guys to clear the zone, or trying to beat a guy one on one from behind his own net instead of just going for the easy clear.

Stutzle wants to create a scoring opportunity every time he has the puck and as a result he’s prone to turnovers that are unnecessary and can be costly if they lead to odd man situations.

His work ethic and his willingness to help out defensively have never been an issue. It’s his puck management and decision making from a defensive perspective that needs improvement and experience.

I'm happy to keep Suzuki leading the team as a Habs fan. Stutzle obviously is likely to end up as the more productive player. He has had a hell of a lot more help than Suzuki on offense and still can't even get his team past the tanking Habs in the standings.

Unfortunately, Tim Stutzle can’t play goalie.

 

[bud12]

Stutzle and it's not close. Are people forgetting he had 90 points last year in only 78 games?

Suzuki is currently enjoying a career high in shooting percentage, while Stutzle is suffering from a career low. And their production is still nearly identical this year.

Last 2 years:
Stutzle
57 goals 158 points in 150gp

Suzuki
56 goals 135 points in 156gp

Stutzle is 2+ years younger. This isn't close.

And last year, it was Stutzle who was enjoying a career high in shooting%.