Congrats to him being named AHL goaltender of the year... I do notice that he isn't talked about as much on the prospect board as other goaltending prospects like Markstrom, Varlamov, Rask and others... but if you look at what he did this year its remarkable... He has won a Quebec Junior championship, gone to the Memorial Cup, won a World Junior Championship under 18, won one Under 20(even though he backed up Mason, it was his team till the meltdown vs Sweden) he struggled last year in the first half but was great in the 2nd half and now this year 9 shut outs in the AHL nots in Save % top 3 in wins and GAA, plus in 3 games with the Kings 4 goals allowed 3-0 record 1.48 GAA over .960 save percentage and a shut out. I love Quick but if Bernier's learning curve and his pedigree I can see him as one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL in about 5 years!
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Jared Ramsden
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Question for everybody....Would it be completely unreasonable of the Kings to think of possibly trading Quick while his value is completely through the roof? I'm impressed with how good Quick has become this year, but is he going to be this good consistently down the road? I think Bernier has the potential to become even better than Quick. Just think of the return the Kings could get for Quick. His value isn't going to be any better than it is in the off-season. Imagine the package of players they could get from a team like say....the Flyers? Kings could be even better with Bernier and a massive package of players and prospects in return. Just something to chew on....
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I think Quick is starting to feel the burn of the long season which is why he is starting to lose focus. That said, he has played great for the first 60 games of this season and the half season he played last year. He is much more proven at this point and although his value is rather high, he still has a lot more potential in him
Furthermore, trading your current number 1 to insert a rookie into the #1 spot is also not a great idea. If Bernier flops...it is a lost season.
Furthermore, trading your current number 1 to insert a rookie into the #1 spot is also not a great idea. If Bernier flops...it is a lost season.
It would be a real gutsy move to trade Quick before Bernier has had a chance to prove himself in the NHL. No doubt in my mind that both goalies are solid long-term options, but my opinion is that LA will hang on to both goalies for the foreseeable future. There really is no pressure to trade either of them until (at the very least) their contracts are up. Both are under modest contracts for the next few years and LA is in the enviable position of having no pressure to make a move with their goalies right now.
Many teams have shown in the past that patience is the best option. Look at what Anaheim has done in the past with Bryzgalov/Giguere and later Giguere/Hiller. Kipper/Nabokov is another example. Halak/Price is a more recent one that hasn't played itself out yet. Teams with two solid goalies have the upper hand and don't tend to rush into anything until an obvious team need presents itself or salary/contract issues arise.
Many teams have shown in the past that patience is the best option. Look at what Anaheim has done in the past with Bryzgalov/Giguere and later Giguere/Hiller. Kipper/Nabokov is another example. Halak/Price is a more recent one that hasn't played itself out yet. Teams with two solid goalies have the upper hand and don't tend to rush into anything until an obvious team need presents itself or salary/contract issues arise.
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I actually couldn't agree more. The Kings are a bit of a surprise this year by most accounts, and if Quick doesn't have as strong a season as he does this year, they are probably looking at another top-5 selection in the upcoming draft. While I agree that trading a successful goaltender and replacing him with a rookie is a HUGE risk, I also think that if Columbus had known what they had in Steve Mason before last year, the asking price for Pascal Leclaire would have included more than just Antoine Vermette.
I think trading Bernier would be a bigger mistake, because at this point he looks like a blue chip goaltending prospect, and the package they would recieve in return would be pale in comparison to the one Quick would offer up. If Bernier turns out stronger than Quick in 2-3 years, how bad would that hurt for the Kings? I'm sure Toronto would be much better off with Tuuka Rask than they would be Andrew Raycroft at this point...
yes, judging by the season Mason just had for Clb, I think Clb absolutely did the right thing trading the veteran goalie and letting Mason run with the starting job this past year.
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Judging by Dean Lombardi's history he will likely have them compete for a couple of seasons to determine which will be the best goalie to keep. It would be great to fill some holes with a major deal but from his perspective its not about getting the most trade value out of the goalies but keeping the right one!
Also at this point you have a young goalie with 1 good season and an unproven, albeit blue chip, prospect. That historically has not been the centerpiece of blockbuster trades. The return probably would not be worth risking going back to the decades of goalie failures that we have experienced.
This is exactly why I don't see it happening. Bernier is going to have to take the job from Quick. If they give it to him and he can't handle it than you basically throw away a whole season.
It is a tremendous gamble. Quick has taken this Kings team to the playoffs in the first time in forever. Bernier has been great so far too in his limited roles, but is not proven at the NHL level like quick is. But it could pay dividends depending on how Quick does in this year's playoffs.
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Except that Quick just turned 24 and Thomas is about to turn 36. It is going to be the same situation that San Jose had with Nabakov, Kipper, and Toskala, except there are four goalies in the system. Jeff Zatkoff was a phenomenal backup for Bernier in his first season in the AHL, and Martin Jones was the WHL's best goalie.
Having Quick and Bernier fight it out for the top spot can only be a plus for the Kings. The Kings organization doesn't need to trade one of them to restock the prospect pool, and this young Kings team is going to the playoffs already. It is certainly an interesting thought, and getting a player such as JVR from Philadelphia, for instance, would bring some offensive firepower that the Kings are missing. But I don't think it is a smart move.
Ziggy Stardust
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Give him a year or two and Bernier will likely be the starting goalie for the Kings. I figure that the Kings will hold onto Quick until he further cements himself as a #1 goalie in the NHL. Right now it is too soon to tell how his or Bernier's career will pan out. Quick has the edge in experience and results at the pro level whereas Bernier shows more promise with his outstanding abilities.
They will both compete next season, but Quick has earned the seat as the starter and will remain in that role unless he is outplayed by Bernier. We are likely to see a 50-30 split between the two. It will be a similar situation to what just panned out in Nashville with Rinne and Ellis competing until one emerged as the #1. Rinne and Ellis are two years apart, as are Quick and Bernier.
I don't think any one of Quick or Bernier will be dealt until 2011 or 2012.
They will both compete next season, but Quick has earned the seat as the starter and will remain in that role unless he is outplayed by Bernier. We are likely to see a 50-30 split between the two. It will be a similar situation to what just panned out in Nashville with Rinne and Ellis competing until one emerged as the #1. Rinne and Ellis are two years apart, as are Quick and Bernier.
I don't think any one of Quick or Bernier will be dealt until 2011 or 2012.
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I wasn't referring to age, just that Quick will probably get more starts early(as Thomas did), and eventually Bernier will show he is just better and take a vast majority of the starts later.
KingsCrown
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Wouldnt be surprised if we drafted another goalie this year, being a decent draft for goalies, having 6 picks in the first 4 rounds with Bernier graduating next year and Jones probably moving up into the AHL to backup Zatkoff. Behind him theres only Berube. I also see Ersberg getting traded in the offseason for a 3rd/4th rounder.
Sore Loser
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yes, judging by the season Mason just had for Clb, I think Clb absolutely did the right thing trading the veteran goalie and letting Mason run with the starting job this past year.
Yeah, I'm sure they regret trading Leclaire, after all the times he led them into the playoffs...and it really hurts seeing how great he's been for the Sens, and how terrible Vermette was for Columbus this year.
Sometimes I wonder why Scott Howson would have ever made that deal.
Yeah, I'm sure they regret trading Leclaire, after all the times he led them into the playoffs...and it really hurts seeing how great he's been for the Sens, and how terrible Vermette was for Columbus this year.
Sometimes I wonder why Scott Howson would have ever made that deal.
You missed the point. Maybe Leclaire wasn't the right fit in Clb, but giving the reigns to Mason didn't work out too well, now did it?
My point is that you can't put too much pressure on these young goalies too soon. We have seen it with Price as well. In most cases, it takes time to mature into a consistently solid starting goalie. And I don't think LA is going to make the mistake Clb and Mtl make and give their young, future star goalie the free ticket to be a starting goalie until he has had an opportunity to backup for a while, platoon for a while, and get two or three seasons of NHL experience under his belt.
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