OT: Bears & NFL Talk 102

[HeisenBaez]

The firing was clumsy but it had to be done.

Poles and the Bears needs to get their ish together and hit on this hire. Can not be having a HC/GM change every three to four years.

 

[southsideIrish]

A great day for Bears fans everywhere. A great day for America.

Hopefully they won't lose any more games due to boneheaded coaching decisions. They'll still lose games I'm sure - but at least maybe won't look so bad.

 

[Pez68]

I mean, with a competent coaching staff this team is likely in the playoff hunt. That's how incompetent they've been. Coaching has cost this team what, four wins?

 

[Romang67]

I wonder what the D will look like now. Eric Washington seemed a bit more eager to blitz in the preseason. No idea if they change anything bigger than that.

 

[Pez68]

I wonder what the D will look like now. Eric Washington seemed a bit more eager to blitz in the preseason. No idea if they change anything bigger than that.

I sure hope they do...

 

[Backyard Hockey]

The more I think about it, this was handled horribly.

They send Flus out to do a standard presser and the he’s fired?

Neither Poles nor Warren take questions. And there are many. The movement of Brown to HC is a big deal. Particularly for the development of Caleb.

Poles had hidden all season

Just a bush league organization.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

Fun stat. Since George McCaskey became chairman in 2011, the Bears have fired 3 GMs, 5 head coaches and 3 OCs and have had 2 winning seasons

What an abject embarrassment

 

[Behn Wilson]

The more I think about it, this was handled horribly.

They send Flus out to do a standard presser and the he’s fired?

Neither Poles nor Warren take questions. And there are many. The movement of Brown to HC is a big deal. Particularly for the development of Caleb.

Poles had hidden all season

Just a bush league organization.

They fired him and hired the logical interim coach.

Everything else is superfluos and does not matter. Flus is still earning millions, he can handle a presser as a lame duck. Though he is a decent guy, he deserved to take the heat for his stupid in game decisions

 

[HeisenBaez]

Fun stat. Since George McCaskey became chairman in 2011, the Bears have fired 3 GMs, 5 head coaches and 3 OCs and have had 2 winning seasons

What an abject embarrassment

Or you could have simply said "George McCaskey is bad at his job."

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

They asked Jaquan Brisker what his thoughts were on the firing. His answer was "God don't make mistakes."


Oof.

 

[Romang67]

Jahns's and Russini's article in the Athletic is well worth checking out if you have a subscription. Not anything too surprising, more so just confirming a bunch of rumors.

According to multiple players and staffers in the locker room, some players were asking why Eberflus didn’t call a timeout. Other players got going, too.

...

Said the first player: “We felt as players it’s been too many instances where we fought our way back into games to lose because of bad time management and decision-making.”

When he was asked about it by reporters, Eberflus downplayed the importance of Daniels’ 13-yard completion to receiver Terry McLaurin and even double-downed on his decision, which many believe was among the mistakes.

“That didn’t sit well in the locker room,” a player said.

“It didn’t go over right,” the second player said. “That week is when he lost the defensive guys.”

I also thought it was really funny that Jahns released a list of 15 potential head coaches with a few "biggest question" paragraphs (maybe 100-150 words) for each about 30 minutes after Eberflus was fired.

 

[ndgt10]

Jahns's and Russini's article in the Athletic is well worth checking out if you have a subscription. Not anything too surprising, more so just confirming a bunch of rumors.





I also thought it was really funny that Jahns released a list of 15 potential head coaches with a few "biggest question" paragraphs (maybe 100-150 words) for each about 30 minutes after Eberflus was fired.

Why? I'm sure McCaskey already has a list before this season started.

 

[ndgt10]

As it turns out, the Bears’ ill-advised decision to let coach Matt Eberflus conduct his day-after press conference before firing him wasn’t spontaneous or accidental.

It was strategic.

Faced with widespread criticism for putting the cart before the horse (and then shooting it), the Bears have pushed their version of the events to the media outlet they partially own. Which has published the team’s version without comment, question, or scrutiny.

“My understanding is George McCaskey, Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles had just begun a meeting that lasted multiple hours when Eberflus’ regularly scheduled press conference started,” tweeted Tom Pelissero of NFL Media on Friday. “A delay would’ve pointed towards a change that at that point hadn’t been decided. By the time the decision was finalized, the presser was long over and Eberflus was informed.”

So, basically, the Bears have confirmed that things happened exactly the way they seemed to have happened. They intentionally and deliberately let Eberflus proceed with his press conference, knowing full well that they were actively discussing the possibility of firing him.

Bears chose not to raise suspicions by postponing Matt Eberflus press conference

As it turns out, the Bears' ill-advised decision to let coach Matt Eberflus conduct his day-after press conference before firing him wasn't spontaneous or accidental.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Crow]

As it turns out, the Bears’ ill-advised decision to let coach Matt Eberflus conduct his day-after press conference before firing him wasn’t spontaneous or accidental.

It was strategic.

Faced with widespread criticism for putting the cart before the horse (and then shooting it), the Bears have pushed their version of the events to the media outlet they partially own. Which has published the team’s version without comment, question, or scrutiny.

“My understanding is George McCaskey, Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles had just begun a meeting that lasted multiple hours when Eberflus’ regularly scheduled press conference started,” tweeted Tom Pelissero of NFL Media on Friday. “A delay would’ve pointed towards a change that at that point hadn’t been decided. By the time the decision was finalized, the presser was long over and Eberflus was informed.”

So, basically, the Bears have confirmed that things happened exactly the way they seemed to have happened. They intentionally and deliberately let Eberflus proceed with his press conference, knowing full well that they were actively discussing the possibility of firing him.

Bears chose not to raise suspicions by postponing Matt Eberflus press conference

As it turns out, the Bears' ill-advised decision to let coach Matt Eberflus conduct his day-after press conference before firing him wasn't spontaneous or accidental.

www.nbcsports.com

I see nothing wrong with this. I understand that bears fans are going to find everything they do wrong, because they so often do. What is the problem though? Did people expect Eberflus to get fired without that conversation? Do people expect these people to end their thanksgiving plans to save this bum from being in a press conference? He’s a big boy. Multimillion dollar job. He can give a shitty presser then f*** off. Who cares?

 

[hawksrule]

I also thought it was really funny that Jahns released a list of 15 potential head coaches with a few "biggest question" paragraphs (maybe 100-150 words) for each about 30 minutes after Eberflus was fired.

It’s like an older celeb’s obituary that news outlets write in advance.

 

[southsideIrish]

I see nothing wrong with this. I understand that bears fans are going to find everything they do wrong, because they so often do. What is the problem though? Did people expect Eberflus to get fired without that conversation? Do people expect these people to end their thanksgiving plans to save this bum from being in a press conference? He’s a big boy. Multimillion dollar job. He can give a shitty presser then f*** off. Who cares?

Yeah I'm the same. I don't see anything wrong with it either. It's not like he was fired wrongly. He's lucky he wasn't fired weeks ago. He's got a massive severance that 99% of people holding "regular" jobs don't get when they get let go. The hand wringing is pretty stupid at this point.

This clown does his job properly the Bears are probably a playoff team. He needed to go.

 

[ndgt10]

I see nothing wrong with this. I understand that bears fans are going to find everything they do wrong, because they so often do. What is the problem though? Did people expect Eberflus to get fired without that conversation? Do people expect these people to end their thanksgiving plans to save this bum from being in a press conference? He’s a big boy. Multimillion dollar job. He can give a shitty presser then f*** off. Who cares?

George McCaskey would only meet during business hours. It took multiple hours to convince him Flus needed to be fired.

 

[Crow]

George McCaskey would only meet during business hours. It took multiple hours to convince him Flus needed to be fired.

That’s good.

 

[TLEH]

Remember when Caleb wasn’t good because Miller Moss threw 4 TDs in a meaningless bowl game? Yeah USC is 6-5 and he got benched lol

 

[Romang67]

A potential big issue with trying to evaluate Thomas Brown as a playcaller through this stretch is that he's not using his own scheme. He's using Waldron's. On the one hand, that probably means it's harder than it could be. On the other hand, it means he's still a bigger unknown in that regard than any other playcalling OC interested in the job.

I see nothing wrong with this. I understand that bears fans are going to find everything they do wrong, because they so often do. What is the problem though? Did people expect Eberflus to get fired without that conversation? Do people expect these people to end their thanksgiving plans to save this bum from being in a press conference? He’s a big boy. Multimillion dollar job. He can give a shitty presser then f*** off. Who cares?

I just don't really care. I'm guessing 99% of head coach candidates don't care either.

 

[ClydeLee]

A potential big issue with trying to evaluate Thomas Brown as a playcaller through this stretch is that he's not using his own scheme. He's using Waldron's. On the one hand, that probably means it's harder than it could be. On the other hand, it means he's still a bigger unknown in that regard than any other playcalling OC interested in the job.

They both rose through McVays offense and don't seem any different from that push. I don't know that he really would be different. Articles about him in Carolina even talked about the mix of his McVay o vs Frank Reichs I think Holmgren tree background.

Saw Caleb and Kmet together at thr ND USC game looking happy... it hit me. If Kmet sold his pick play better, Flus maybe wouldn't of gotten fired.

(Most likely Bears score and Lions comeback with 50 second or whatever anyway)

 

[Romang67]

They both rose through McVays offense and don't seem any different from that push. I don't know that he really would be different. Articles about him in Carolina even talked about the mix of his McVay o vs Frank Reichs I think Holmgren tree background.

Saw Caleb and Kmet together at thr ND USC game looking happy... it hit me. If Kmet sold his pick play better, Flus maybe wouldn't of gotten fired.

(Most likely Bears score and Lions comeback with 50 second or whatever anyway)

Nate Tice went on... Hoge and Jahns, I think? Shortly before or after Waldron was fired and showed some stats of what the McVay offense normally looks like (for the entire tree, not just McVay himself), and the difference in terms of motion, clustered vs spread out, play action, etc. was massive between Waldron and the rest.

For whatever reason, Waldron's offense wasn't very McVay-y this season.

 

[TLEH]

Nate Tice went on... Hoge and Jahns, I think? Shortly before or after Waldron was fired and showed some stats of what the McVay offense normally looks like (for the entire tree, not just McVay himself), and the difference in terms of motion, clustered vs spread out, play action, etc. was massive between Waldron and the rest.

For whatever reason, Waldron's offense wasn't very McVay-y this season.

It was Tice. He also said the numbers were similar to his days in Seattle too. It’s just him.

 

[TLEH]

The players 100% quit. No reason to risk your health for a moron like Flus.

 

[Sarava]

The players 100% quit. No reason to risk your health for a moron like Flus.

Brisker's been hinting for weeks now that he felt he was fine to play but the Bears wouldn't let him.