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Glozier

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Dec 24, 2014
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Fellas, interested to hear your thoughts.

It looks as if the gauntlet for the Juniors has been laid out by Canada and USA, especially with dominant wins last night, but who really wins between the two when they play in the group stages, and/or medal rounds?

Discuss.
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This tournament? I'd give a slight advantage to the U.S.

In an all guns firing best 4out7 series with every player available, Canada wins!! and it's not really that close on paper.....I'd love to see it. One of these days I'm going to get my wish.

however, have the 95s play each other in 5 years time, the gap narrows somewhat.
 
Mr Writer said:
This tournament? I'd give a slight advantage to the U.S.

In an all guns firing best 4out7 series with every player available, Canada wins!! and it's not really that close on paper.....I'd love to see it. One of these days I'm going to get my wish.

however, have the 95s play each other in 5 years time, the gap narrows somewhat.
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Generally it has been the other way around. Compare rosters of past junior teams now as pros. The gap has usually gotten larger.

I think this year and next the Americans will start to overtake Canada as the top producer of hockey talent. There will be many more players and a greater pool of athletes to choose from stateside.
 
Top 6 - Canada
Bottom 6 - USA
Defence - Unsure
Goatlending - USA

USA has the more talented, offensive, puck-moving defencemen (Hanifin, Werenski). Canada has some very good offensive D of their own (Morrissey, Nurse) but with more experience, better in their own end.

Canada on NYE, USA in the GMG.
 
On any given day it`s a toss-up, athough Canada still usually prevails.

In a best-of-seven, Canada hands down.

For the record, the head-to-head record the past 5 years...

2010 Canada 5-4 (SO)
2010 USA 6-5 (OT) (Final)
2011 Canada 4-1 (SF)
2012 Canada 3-2
2013 Canada 2-1
2013 USA 5-1 (SF)
2014 Canada 3-2
 
With goaltending a recurring issue for Canada lately, I'm giving the slight edge to the states, as goaltending is the bread and butter of the tournament... (See the Canadians first pre tourney game with Russia..)

As far as Offensive talent, the slight edge goes to the Canadians, With Domi, Duclai, Reinhart, Mcdavid, lazar carrying the load into the medal round.

Defensive talent I'm going to call a dead even.. With both defensive squads showing massive offensive upside... In the pre tourney games .

Overall edge is going to the states just from a goaltending perspective.. we have seen Fucale let in a few beach balls over the past couple of years.... yes he knows how to win on a stacked QMJHL roster but hasn't proved anything yet at the International level.

Had Canada had Mackinnon, Drouin, Ekblad all available it would be Canada AINEC

Lines would of been something like this

Drouin - McDavid - Mackinnon (interchangeable center's)
Domi - Reinhart - Duclair
Lazar - Paul - Virtanen

Ekblad - Nurse
Bowey - Morrisey (soon to be teammates for the rockets)
 
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The anticipation for the game(s) are immense, the games themselves are highly competitive and intense. Having the game on the same day every year was just a great decesion. I'm glad the US has teams that can compete every year.

This years game will not disappoint.
 
Canuckistani said:
On any given day it`s a toss-up, athough Canada still usually prevails.

In a best-of-seven, Canada hands down.

For the record, the head-to-head record the past 5 years...

2010 Canada 5-4 (SO)
2010 USA 6-5 (OT) (Final)
2011 Canada 4-1 (SF)
2012 Canada 3-2
2013 Canada 2-1
2013 USA 5-1 (SF)
2014 Canada 3-2
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Those results doesn't indicate anything about this year
 
TheNuge said:
Had Canada had Mackinnon, Drouin, Ekblad all available it would be Canada AINEC
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That's the case most years.

Canada would easily have had six in a row in 2010 with Cody Hodgson, John Tavares, Evander Kane, Steven Stamkos, Matt Duchene, Ryan O'Reilly, Michael Del Zotto, James Wright and Tyler Myers.

The NHL is the only thing that keeps Canada from taking 3/4 of these events.
 
TheNuge said:
With goaltending a recurring issue for Canada lately, I'm giving the slight edge to the states, as goaltending is the bread and butter of the tournament... (See the Canadians first pre tourney game with Russia..)

As far as Offensive talent, the slight edge goes to the Canadians, With Domi, Duclai, Reinhart, Mcdavid, lazar carrying the load into the medal round.

Defensive talent I'm going to call a dead even.. With both defensive squads showing massive offensive upside... In the pre tourney games .

Overall edge is going to the states just from a goaltending perspective.. we have seen Fucale let in a few beach balls over the past couple of years.... yes he knows how to win on a stacked QMJHL roster but hasn't proved anything yet at the International level.

Had Canada had Mackinnon, Drouin, Ekblad all available it would be Canada AINEC

Lines would of been something like this

Drouin - McDavid - Mackinnon (interchangeable center's)
Domi - Reinhart - Duclair
Lazar - Paul - Virtanen

Ekblad - Nurse
Bowey - Morrisey (soon to be teammates for the rockets)
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Don't forget Bo Horvat. Big upgrade on the 3C from Paul.
 
It will come down to speed and goaltending I'd say

This is the fastest Canadian team I've ever seen so I'm pretty confident
 
Canuckistani said:
I never said they did.

Was just showing the head-to-head results, for the record, in case anyone was interested.
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My mistake then but you said "On any given day it`s a toss-up, athough Canada still usually prevails" earlier in the post, which directly ties the past record with the analysis of this year's tournament.
 
Rob Paxon said:
My mistake then but you said "On any given day it`s a toss-up, athough Canada still usually prevails" earlier in the post, which directly ties the past record with the analysis of this year's tournament.
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What you have quoted and bolded have zero correlation for this year's tournament, since neither team have played one another.

He said on any given day it's a toss up with canada usually prevailing and listed previous years with who won... how does that even remotely associate itself with this year.. ?
 
TheNuge said:
What you have quoted and bolded have zero correlation for this year's tournament, since neither team have played one another.

He said on any given day it's a toss up with canada usually prevailing and listed previous years with who won... how does that even remotely associate itself with this year.. ?
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The thread gives context. It's a thread about Canada vs. USA this year. He says on any given day it's a toss-up and he further says in a best of seven series it's Canada "hands down". How is that not intended to pass comment on the chances of the respective teams in this tournament? It is pretty clearly insinuating that it should be a toss-up, that in these toss-ups Canada usually prevails, and that in a seven game series Canada would win hands-down.
 
Rob Paxon said:
The thread gives context. It's a thread about Canada vs. USA this year. He says on any given day it's a toss-up and he further says in a best of seven series it's Canada "hands down". How is that not intended to pass comment on the chances of the respective teams in this tournament? It is pretty clearly insinuating that it should be a toss-up, that in these toss-ups Canada usually prevails, and that in a seven game series Canada would win hands-down.
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Canada hands down is a personal opinion of his as he thinks Canada will win hands down...

Do people not have a right to opinion and showing factual information without you policing the board?

I think it's a no brainer that previous factual information from years past, do not show anything about this year. You don't need to point that out.

It's much like posting Crosby's previous yearly point totals for the last year and saying well he is never gonna do that again...those point totals don't indicate anything about this year...

Canada and the states in the last 5 years have been close with canada winning majority as he has shown... so there is a trend to Canada winning.. statistically it could change or it could not.. but the Gap is getting marginally smaller on the victories...
 
Canuckistani said:
That's the case most years.

Canada would easily have had six in a row in 2010 with Cody Hodgson, John Tavares, Evander Kane, Steven Stamkos, Matt Duchene, Ryan O'Reilly, Michael Del Zotto, James Wright and Tyler Myers.

The NHL is the only thing that keeps Canada from taking 3/4 of these events.
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So now you have your built in excuse if Canada doesn't win Gold.

Congrats to unraveling another conspiracy :)
 
SanDogBrewin said:
So now you have your built in excuse if Canada doesn't win Gold.

Congrats to unraveling another conspiracy :)
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I think this is very accurate. One of the first things Canadians say if they lose is "Too bad we didn't have..."

On the other side, do you consider what would happen if all players were released by their NHL teams?
 
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