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GDT: GAME 68 | AVS @ SENS | One Foot In Front Of The Other - Avalanche, Matt Good | You Made Me Turn This Into A GDT Edition

DueDiligence said:
My point was that moving Amadio to the 4th line wouldn't be that big a deal. Basically it's a move to lessen Giroux's minutes and get Zetterlund more minutes.
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did you not say something about a non-soft message trading Norris. That's what I was responding to.
The 3rd line is playing well in a shut down role .. Amadio fits that role and is playing well.

I would not change 3 lines to satisfy one player yet
I the 1st line continues to struggle we may have to see a switch like you suggest but I think they would stay patient with that line.
 
L'Aveuglette said:
I guarantee you you'd say the same thing about Cozens if he came here and was stuck on the 4th line barely playing 10 minutes a night.

Zetterlund is a point producer, and he can't do his thing playing with two scrubs and very limited PP time. He's being wasted with the way Green is deploying him.

It's crazy that you think he should have shown more in his current role.
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I would not because Cozens can play Centre & that 4th line needs a legitimate centre & Gaudette is not a centre or very good at it. I also don't look at players based primarily on pts & rather look at how they fit on the team & whether they are making the players around them better & if the team is better with them in the lineup. Cozens on the 4th line would give us a legitimate C as I have said, some much needed size on the 4th line & a lot more toughness on that 4th line something else that is needed including a lot more hitting. I'm not suggesting for a second we move him there for those that see only this post & are not getting the gist of the conversation, Cozens is a top six player & should stay there, but this team could use a legitimate 4th C.

Blaming other players for a players inability to prove himself never works, it's not their fault, why can't Zetterlund as you say is a point producer create his own offence? If he were to show much more creativity & offence from the 4th line as, (I can't believe I'm going to say this) , as Gaudette who earlier was putting the puck in the net & some on here were calling for him to play with better players too. Over time we have seen he really doesn't belong in the top nine. Maybe Zetterlund does, but he has to show it & we have to stop blaming others for the failures of players when it is their responsibility to perform. I understand placing a player in a position to succeed, but the player also has to bear responsibility for his own success by proving to the coach he deserves it. Both special teams have been very good this yr as has their defensive play & really their own weakness seems to be scoring 5 on 5 which I expect is a blip & could change at anytime.

It's not my fault my work is not done teacher, it's their fault, I should be sitting with the smart kids at the front of the class where their intelligents will rub off on me & I'll be a lot smarter. :naughty:
 
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I would not because Cozens can play Centre & that 4th line needs a legitimate centre & Gaudette is not a centre or very good at it. I also don't look at players basely on pts & rather look at how they fit on the team & whether they are making the players around them better & if the team is better with them in the lineup. Cozens on the 4th line would give us a legitimate C as I have said, some much needed size on the 4th line & a lot more toughness on that 4th line something else that is needed including a lot more hitting. I'm not suggesting for a second we move him there for those that see only this post & are not getting the gist of the conversation, Cozens is a top six player & should stay there, but this team could use a legitimate 4th C.

Blaming other players for a players inability to prove himself never works, it's not their fault, why can't Zetterlund as you say is a point producer create his own offence? If he were to show much more creativity & offence from the 4th line as, (I can't believe I'm going to say this) , as Gaudette who earlier was putting the puck in the net & some on here were calling for him to play with better players too. Over time we have seen he really doesn't belong in the top nine. Maybe Zetterlund does, but he has to show it & we have to stop blaming others for the failures of players when it is their responsibility to perform. I understand placing a player in a position to succeed, but the player also has to bear responsibility for his own success by proving to the coach he deserves it. Both special teams have been very good this yr as has their defensive play & really their own weakness seems to be scoring 5 on 5 which I expect is a blip & could change at anytime.

It's not my fault my work is not done teacher, it's their fault, I should be sitting with the smart kids at the front of the class where their intelligents will rub off on me & I'll be a lot smarter. :naughty:
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Cozens also generates offense on his own ..He'd be way more noticeable than Z has been. Same can be said for most of the top 9. Z hasn't fit in there but right now is not the time to experiment as to where he does ideally fit in and if he finds that spot is he better than the guy he'd replace there.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
Cozens also generates offense on his own ..He'd be way more noticeable than Z has been. Same can be said for most of the top 9. Z hasn't fit in there but right now is not the time to experiment as to where he does ideally fit in and if he finds that spot is he better than the guy he'd replace there.
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That's an excellent point, he would have to be better than those who are there now & so far he hasn't shown he would be an upgrade. Those wanting him to move up in the lineup IMO are looking strictly at pts & don't realize how good Giroux, Perron & Amadio are defensively & I would argue they are the reason this team has gone from being pretty shitty defensively to being one of the better defensive teams in the NHL this yr & reducing their goals against dramatically.

Having said that though, it will be interesting next yr given the assets they gave to get him where they see him fitting into this line up since the entire top six will most likely be back for another yr. He will get opportunities through injuries & will need to produce when those opportunities present themselves, but they could be for short stretches as well. Should be interesting how this plays out.
 
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Hmmm ….. Jensen unlikely to start and Brady with a nagging injury.

Don’t think giving Brady a night off will cure what’s ailing him. He had a few games off after the 4 Nations, but that wasn’t enough.
 
Big Muddy said:
Hmmm ….. Jensen unlikely to start and Brady with a nagging injury.

Don’t think giving Brady a night off will cure what’s ailing him. He had a few games off after the 4 Nations, but that wasn’t enough.
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Reminds me of Karlsson getting hurt at the end of the 2017 season. I wonder if it's something he is going to have to just manage because it requires surgery.
 
I've always figured that if you have a top 6 player on the 4th line, it quickly becomes noticeable. Zetterlund has shown a few things which makes it intriguing to try and find a role for him, but he is probably still finding himself in the system. Seems pretty good natured too. But i dont remember him ever being sold as a top 6 player other than as a shake up the lines temporary thing, maybe im misremembering. I dont see the big hurry though. Give him time to find a line and a role, im sure it will come. But so far im not thinking top 6 yet.
 
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Just give Zetterlund 5-6 shifts per game with Stutzle, alternating with Tkachuk and Giroux. That would limit their minutes a bit down the stretch. Then he would have chemistry if we are fully in a playoff spot and we want to sit them for games in a few weeks.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Reminds me of Karlsson getting hurt at the end of the 2017 season. I wonder if it's something he is going to have to just manage because it requires surgery.
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Whether the Karlsson injury and the Brady injury are comparable from the perspective of how it effected their play is something I can’t really comment on, and haven’t really given any thought to.

What I do know watching the last few games is that Brady has been last noticeable. Let’s hope that Brady can continue to play his game at his high level like Karlsson managed to do during that amazing playoff run.
 
predictable but have a bad feeling about this

That loss last game probably has our guys gripping the stick too tight and that’s when the ghosts of DJ smith rear their ugly ehad
 
DrEasy said:
Am I missing the GDT?

In any case, the anthem singer, Kelly Lee Evans has apparently been struck by lightning twice! (according to my wife/gf)
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Who's to really say? What is a GDT if not a place for people to discuss the game of the day in a thread-like format?

Life is mysterious, and full of potential and wonder. Labeling things lessens existence.
 
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Wish they had that energy in the 3rd last game, we would have never lost that game if they did. Hope they have a game like we know they can, will need it to beat this team
 
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