Auston Matthews vs Patrik Laine - Round IV
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This thread is pointless, Toronto will take matthews no matter what because he's a center. Winnipeg will get laine. In years this will be a rivalry like ovechkin vs crosby.
And yet in the WC he doesnt get much PP time. I mean, Jokinen was chosen today over him playing with Barkov. Such a mistake, with Laine Finland would have won even with more goals.. The kid does what he wants. And the opponents know that, usually Laine has one or more guys to block him in order to make the goal chance disappear. Still, 6 points in two days, that's just amazing.
Rewrite the history, boy!
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That's my point. There is a major assumption being made here that the Leafs will pick Matthews.
All I know of all I hear about Hunter speak, and historically. Since joining the Leafs he has listened to his European scouts with signings of multiple non NA signings. So obviously he values his Euro scouts.
We also know most Euro scouts put Laine ahead of Matthews per Mckenzie(so that is fact if he reports it) And Hunter himself has drafted previous Finns in Maata and Juolevi for the Knights.
Now I am not saying he will pick Laine. Only don't be shocked if he did. But anyone that thinks Matthews is a slam dunk choice, is not being realistic given Laine is progressively upping his game from even when he was already impressive after the WJC when he was highly regarded even back then. That was 5 months ago. What do they think of him now? Probably even better.
Laine was pretty meh today besides PP play. I know that he can be much better. His effectiveness is outstanding though.
I think the first paragraph really is indicating here. If you put an equal two way center in place of Matthews the difference in importance of positions the kids play shows. Who would it be, if we put Jagr as Laine (Lemieux I won't touch that is sacrilege)? A hybrid of young and old Yzerman?
I still take Matthews as every team apart from Edmonton. Even Buffalo.
That being said I think a lot of the bad blood here comes from people thinking saying Laine is slightly better than Matthews as bashing as well as saying Matthews has always been and still is consensus #1 as Laine bashing. And then things heat up.
Categorizing Finns and Leafs fans as the most biased homers in universe doesn't really help the conversation either. (Although, being a Habs fan and having lived in Finland for a long time, that might not be too far from truth j/k )
It's close as far as BPA goes. Matthews is the center and has a longer resume. Laine has been better this year in my opinion. As I said, I would still go with Matthews.
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You think the Leafs, or their fans, are panicking?
Something weird is going on and it's quite evident reading these replies today since Laine put on another show.
Who knows, as far as everyone knows, maybe Leafs management have always had Laine ranked #1.
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How is that relevant to this thread?
If those are your comparisons for Laine or Matthews then I can't help but LOL
I understand that Finland has a terrible hockey program and it's rare to see good players come out of that country but come on.
This is a pretty terrible conclusion. How does a country of five and a half million that routinely pumps out elite hockey talent have a terrible hockey program?
Matthews should go #1, but statements like that do nothing for the actual debate. Finland has an incredible record in terms of producing hockey talent, especially when considering some of the factors.
To be brutally honest, I hope Toronto will go for Matthews (and they would have very good reasons to do it anyway): it's a crazy hockey town with tons of unrealistic expectations and very little patience - I just see the youthful and promising underdog Winnipeg as a much better suited team for Laine.
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Again, it should be put into Laine's scouting report along with Laine's regular season performance. That's the thing, it all goes in there.
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You miss the fact that Matthews didn't carry his team to gold in this years post season
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Stefan/Heatley/Gaborik or Spezza/Lecavalier/E.Staal
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So if the Leafs do take Laine, are the same people going to be saying "HA, missed on Matthews!!" I rather watch Laine outplay Matthews[if we took AM], than Matthews outplay Laine[if we took PL] We take the BPA and will be happy with Matthews; Laine is a great player though.
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So if the Leafs do take Laine, are the same people going to be saying "HA, missed on Matthews!!" I rather watch Laine outplay Matthews[if we took AM], than Matthews outplay Laine[if we took PL] We take the BPA and will be happy with Matthews; Laine is a great player though.
On paper Laine has had at least as impressive season as Matthews. I have not seen enough games from Matthews to say which one is better. I think that there are VERY few people on this board who have actually watched enough of both to say who is better, yet everyone seems to have very strong opinions.
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Notice in my post that you replied to.
Agreed. No one is jumping to conclusions. But to this point. Laine has.
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You'd be right if this was 5 years ago. Toronto has accepted the youth movement and are letting Shanahan do his thing. This thread isn't about that though so I'll leave it at that.
Also...Winnipeg isn't a crazy hockey town?
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Realistically speaking, Laine is probably going to score 97 goals next season in the NHL while Matthews will probably hit about 40 points in the AHL. Combine that goal production with the fact that Laine is 6'8", 275 pounds and probably the fastest skater Finland has ever produced.
And not only that, Laine's defensive play is really comparable to a guy like Bob Gainey, and he dekes like Datsyuk.
He's probably going to break the record for career points in about five years, and will easily be a contender for Vezina, Norris and Jack Adams every year. Plus, he was playoff MVP in the toughest league in the world.
He's not without his flaws of course. His English could use a bit of work, he takes quite a while to run through translations in his head.
Matthews is good and all, but I see him as more of a third line center who will likely be a fourth liner when he ends up playing for the Melbourne Mustangs of the AIHL.
And not only that, Laine's defensive play is really comparable to a guy like Bob Gainey, and he dekes like Datsyuk.
He's probably going to break the record for career points in about five years, and will easily be a contender for Vezina, Norris and Jack Adams every year. Plus, he was playoff MVP in the toughest league in the world.
He's not without his flaws of course. His English could use a bit of work, he takes quite a while to run through translations in his head.
Matthews is good and all, but I see him as more of a third line center who will likely be a fourth liner when he ends up playing for the Melbourne Mustangs of the AIHL.
In Finland we have this saying "Toinen tykkää äidistä, toinen tyttärestä". I think thats apply in this Laine vs Matthews thread pretty well!
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Pretty much. Might even be more hyped since these guys have both played against men all year.
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